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Ive never understood how some football fans cant grasp the concept of the best teams having the best players. 

There are the odd exceptions to the rule like when Larsson stayed at Celtic however it should be taken as a given that a player getting games at Man Utd will be better than a player in the same position playing at Norwich who will be better than a player at Hearts who will be better than Raith Rovers.

Yet we continue to think for some reason that guys like Dykes should get called up over McBurnie, McLean, McGrefgor or Jack to start over McTomminey. Its madness. 

If Dykes looks good or is scoring goals its because of the level of opposition. No team in England rates him cause if they did they would have purchased him. They have the money. McBurnie has been poor for Scotland but would tear up the SPL. 

Can you imagine how good McTomminey would look playing St Mirren!!!

I heard on the radio the other night that Gilmour was the same as other young Scottish talent. Ferguson at Aberdeen, Hickey at Hearts etc. This is just totally wrong. Its a million times harder to break through at Chelsea than Hearts. 

The core of our team should be players performing at the highest level. Hanley knows what its like to try and defend against the likes of Kane and Aguero. He might look like an idiot at times but thata because these players are top class. McKenna on the other hand wouldnt have a clue what top class players movement, touch or all round games like but we somehow think he will do better when we fling him in at Int level.

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3 hours ago, Diamond Scot said:

Ive never understood how some football fans cant grasp the concept of the best teams having the best players. 

There are the odd exceptions to the rule like when Larsson stayed at Celtic however it should be taken as a given that a player getting games at Man Utd will be better than a player in the same position playing at Norwich who will be better than a player at Hearts who will be better than Raith Rovers.

Yet we continue to think for some reason that guys like Dykes should get called up over McBurnie, McLean, McGrefgor or Jack to start over McTomminey. Its madness. 

If Dykes looks good or is scoring goals its because of the level of opposition. No team in England rates him cause if they did they would have purchased him. They have the money. McBurnie has been poor for Scotland but would tear up the SPL. 

Can you imagine how good McTomminey would look playing St Mirren!!!

I heard on the radio the other night that Gilmour was the same as other young Scottish talent. Ferguson at Aberdeen, Hickey at Hearts etc. This is just totally wrong. Its a million times harder to break through at Chelsea than Hearts. 

The core of our team should be players performing at the highest level. Hanley knows what its like to try and defend against the likes of Kane and Aguero. He might look like an idiot at times but thata because these players are top class. McKenna on the other hand wouldnt have a clue what top class players movement, touch or all round games like but we somehow think he will do better when we fling him in at Int level.

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16 hours ago, Diamond Scot said:

Ive never understood how some football fans cant grasp the concept of the best teams having the best players. 

There are the odd exceptions to the rule like when Larsson stayed at Celtic however it should be taken as a given that a player getting games at Man Utd will be better than a player in the same position playing at Norwich who will be better than a player at Hearts who will be better than Raith Rovers.

Yet we continue to think for some reason that guys like Dykes should get called up over McBurnie, McLean, McGrefgor or Jack to start over McTomminey. Its madness. 

If Dykes looks good or is scoring goals its because of the level of opposition. No team in England rates him cause if they did they would have purchased him. They have the money. McBurnie has been poor for Scotland but would tear up the SPL. 

Can you imagine how good McTomminey would look playing St Mirren!!!

I heard on the radio the other night that Gilmour was the same as other young Scottish talent. Ferguson at Aberdeen, Hickey at Hearts etc. This is just totally wrong. Its a million times harder to break through at Chelsea than Hearts. 

The core of our team should be players performing at the highest level. Hanley knows what its like to try and defend against the likes of Kane and Aguero. He might look like an idiot at times but thata because these players are top class. McKenna on the other hand wouldnt have a clue what top class players movement, touch or all round games like but we somehow think he will do better when we fling him in at Int level.

This is a bit simplistic is it not? Does form not come into it?

It obviously also depends on the age of the player in question and what their career prospects are. 

If Dykes was signed by Wolves tomorrow (if we ignore the transfer window) should he be picked ahead of McBurnie for the Israel game?

Andy Robertson was playing for Dundee United 3 or 4 years before he was playing in the Champions League final. 

Lyndon Dykes could be playing in the EPL next season and McBurnie could be sold to a Championship side. Who knows what will happen? 

Steve Clarke needs to consider a hell of a lot more than what club a player is signed to before he selects his squad. 

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49 minutes ago, Texas Pete said:

This is a bit simplistic is it not? Does form not come into it?

It obviously also depends on the age of the player in question and what their career prospects are. 

If Dykes was signed by Wolves tomorrow (if we ignore the transfer window) should he be picked ahead of McBurnie for the Israel game?

Andy Robertson was playing for Dundee United 3 or 4 years before he was playing in the Champions League final. 

Lyndon Dykes could be playing in the EPL next season and McBurnie could be sold to a Championship side. Who knows what will happen? 

Steve Clarke needs to consider a hell of a lot more than what club a player is signed to before he selects his squad. 

I completely agree. Players are always in transition. Otherwise when McGinn was at Hibs he wouldn't deserve a place ahead of somebody in the EPL. Now though he could be in line to a move to a top EPL team if villa are relegated. Naismith doesn't get chosen just because Hearts have had a shit season?

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1 hour ago, SkyBlueScot said:

I completely agree. Players are always in transition. Otherwise when McGinn was at Hibs he wouldn't deserve a place ahead of somebody in the EPL. Now though he could be in line to a move to a top EPL team if villa are relegated. Naismith doesn't get chosen just because Hearts have had a shit season?

Aye, McGinn is a better example that I completely forgot about. He was playing in the Scottish Championship about 3 years ago and now he’s considered one of our best players (arguably our best player).

The level someone plays at is obviously important but form and potential should also be considered. I would rather start a Scottish Premiership striker that is banging in the goals than an EPL striker that is struggling for his club. 

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20 hours ago, Diamond Scot said:

Ive never understood how some football fans cant grasp the concept of the best teams having the best players. 

There are the odd exceptions to the rule like when Larsson stayed at Celtic however it should be taken as a given that a player getting games at Man Utd will be better than a player in the same position playing at Norwich who will be better than a player at Hearts who will be better than Raith Rovers.

Yet we continue to think for some reason that guys like Dykes should get called up over McBurnie, McLean, McGrefgor or Jack to start over McTomminey. Its madness. 

If Dykes looks good or is scoring goals its because of the level of opposition. No team in England rates him cause if they did they would have purchased him. They have the money. McBurnie has been poor for Scotland but would tear up the SPL. 

Can you imagine how good McTomminey would look playing St Mirren!!!

I heard on the radio the other night that Gilmour was the same as other young Scottish talent. Ferguson at Aberdeen, Hickey at Hearts etc. This is just totally wrong. Its a million times harder to break through at Chelsea than Hearts. 

The core of our team should be players performing at the highest level. Hanley knows what its like to try and defend against the likes of Kane and Aguero. He might look like an idiot at times but thata because these players are top class. McKenna on the other hand wouldnt have a clue what top class players movement, touch or all round games like but we somehow think he will do better when we fling him in at Int level.

Been trying to say this for weeks... This place is nuts. 

 

There's a young boy doing really well at Bellshill Athletic just now, should we call him up? 

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19 hours ago, Texas Pete said:

This is a bit simplistic is it not? Does form not come into it?

It obviously also depends on the age of the player in question and what their career prospects are. 

If Dykes was signed by Wolves tomorrow (if we ignore the transfer window) should he be picked ahead of McBurnie for the Israel game?

Andy Robertson was playing for Dundee United 3 or 4 years before he was playing in the Champions League final. 

Lyndon Dykes could be playing in the EPL next season and McBurnie could be sold to a Championship side. Who knows what will happen? 

Steve Clarke needs to consider a hell of a lot more than what club a player is signed to before he selects his squad. 

Obviously there are loads more for the manager to consider but the team / level somebody is playing at is an extremely good starting point.

Form for example is all relative. Shankland has been scoring a couple of goals per week for about 18 months. McBurnie hasnt been banging them in this season after scoring lots last year. If you just look at form then Shankland has been playing better and more deserving of a starting place but if you take into account levels then its a totally different situation. Shankland is playing against part time players or players earning very little whereas McBurnie is playing against internaional standard defenders week in week out. Logic would dictate that if you are looking at who is most likely to perform at a certain level then its the player who plays at that level every week does it not? 

Alot of whats said on here is based on "what if X moves next year and does well". The fact is the vast majority of players we speak about in the SPL arent moving to the EPL or even championship. If these clubs / scouts thought they were good enough players then they would have bought them by now. Using Shankland again (i actually lile him as a player btw), if the people paid to evaluate players, ie the scouts thought he was an international class forward would they not have got their club to buy him by now for about 2 million rather than have their club spend 20/30 milllion on somebody "not as good"?

Im all for bringing young players with potential into the squad like McGinn before he moved to see how they get on against rest of the squad. If you listen to ex footballers talk they will tell you about training. They can tell within minutes if a players got it or not.

 

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On 3/6/2020 at 5:02 PM, ceudmilefailte said:

Point was,

only one of them is likely to be good enough for both and I think we know which one

Was just a throwaway comment as Siriki’s Kevin-Gallacher-half-and-half accent.  I’ve never seen him play. 

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On 3/5/2020 at 2:24 PM, bigfingers said:

Greg Stewart over Naismith?

First up, it's the 3rd choice striker, unlikely to feature. But we need to start looking forward from Naismith, good servant as he's been, he's 33 and spends as much time injured as not. Stewart does offer something a bit different, certainly the opposite kind of striker to Griffiths who is likely to be the number 9, so if we need to change approach then he could be a useful guy to have available.

Dembelle over Armstrong? 

Dembele's a wide forward, Armstrong's a center mid. They're not competing.

 

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On 3/8/2020 at 7:54 AM, Diamond Scot said:

Obviously there are loads more for the manager to consider but the team / level somebody is playing at is an extremely good starting point.

Form for example is all relative. Shankland has been scoring a couple of goals per week for about 18 months. McBurnie hasnt been banging them in this season after scoring lots last year. If you just look at form then Shankland has been playing better and more deserving of a starting place but if you take into account levels then its a totally different situation. Shankland is playing against part time players or players earning very little whereas McBurnie is playing against internaional standard defenders week in week out. Logic would dictate that if you are looking at who is most likely to perform at a certain level then its the player who plays at that level every week does it not? 

Alot of whats said on here is based on "what if X moves next year and does well". The fact is the vast majority of players we speak about in the SPL arent moving to the EPL or even championship. If these clubs / scouts thought they were good enough players then they would have bought them by now. Using Shankland again (i actually lile him as a player btw), if the people paid to evaluate players, ie the scouts thought he was an international class forward would they not have got their club to buy him by now for about 2 million rather than have their club spend 20/30 milllion on somebody "not as good"?

Im all for bringing young players with potential into the squad like McGinn before he moved to see how they get on against rest of the squad. If you listen to ex footballers talk they will tell you about training. They can tell within minutes if a players got it or not.

 

In many cases you are probably right. 

The smaller European nations however suffer from a degree of snobbery when it comes to scouts from the top leagues. They view our league as being of a quality where they are unable to ascertain whether an outstanding player here would be as good in a top league and are often not willing to take the risk on these sorts of players. This is why guys like van Dijk, Sadio Mane, erling haaland and countless others have to take a small step forward to clubs like Southampton or Salzburg before their big moves despite probably being good enough for that big move in the first place. 

This could be affecting shankland as well. Everytime I watch him I see a strong boy, with good feet and a natural finisher with both feet. It's blatantly obvious and he's shown it in his fleeting international appearances too. Scouts will see this too but lower end championship and down probably can't afford him and clubs above that may think he's too big a risk at £2-3m.

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