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59 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

Aye well said aaid

The politics of all this has been predictably depressing. 

Cheers and before anyone accuses me of being an SNP fanboy, that applies to pretty much all governments across the world including Johnson, maybe not Trump though. 

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The acceptance that the new varient just causes mild symptoms is mega worrying imo. Just because the majority of people experience either no or mild symptoms doesnt take away from the fact that the minority are suffering from life changing affects. People are placing too much weight in death numbers being low. That was a key indicator a year ago but more important now is the number of ppl getting lung or heart problems.

My mate, a very healthy 40 year old police officer caught covid in November / December, didnt get admitted to hospital and didnt die. He has however been left with a heart issue that he likely wont ever fully recover from. He wont appear on any of the stats but there are thousands and thousands like him.

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17 hours ago, Morrisandmoo said:

I am very pleased that the Scottish government have changed their policy and re-permitted Scottish football. 

Another part of me wishes that they had persisted for a little longer, just to prove to a certainty that it was worthless and stupid.

Unfortunately they have been shitebags and quickly deferred instead to English policies. So it will be more difficult to prove that they were stupid ideas all along. However hopefully we have clever enough analysts to distill the obvious.

I didn’t interpret it as a change of policy. I thought the football, amongst other restrictions, were always going to be a short term situation to take pressure of the NHS during the festive period with so many people, including NHS staff, testing positive for Covid. I dont really see it as backtracking when it was meant to be temporary. Whether it was effective or not is another question. 

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5 hours ago, aaid said:

It seems that rather than find out what happened and what can be learned so that it can be applied in the future there’s a desire from some quarters - media, political opponents and parts of the general population - to want to ascribe blame and fault and ideally an individual or set of individuals to hang it all on.

If you want to be objective then you have to weigh “bad decisions” up against the reasons why those decisions where made - including possible options which might have had a worst case outcome - and, importantly, the data and body of knowledge which informed those decisions.   At the start it’s worth remembering that there was very little about COVID that was known and so there was a lot of “flying blind”.  Even two years in it’s a constantly evolving picture.

I’ve heard people - who should know better - saying that pulling people out of hospital and putting them into care homes untested was “obviously” a bad idea.   With hindsight it turned out to be a bad decision at the time though was it the best decision based on the circumstances then?

The decision to pull vulnerable - generally elderly and infirm - people out of hospitals seems to be predicated on two things, that they needed to free up beds in hospitals to cope with COVID patients and that it was thought that having vulnerable people in hospitals that were swimming in COVID wasn’t a good idea.

On the testing side, it’s clear that some but not all patients were released without being tested.  A lot of that will be down to not having the testing infrastructure we currently have combined with genuine errors.  However it’s not been established - at least as far as I know - if people coming out of hospital with undetected COVID was the major cause of the problems in care homes, or whether or not it was caused by staff and visitors who were asymptomatic and unaware they were infectious bring it in.  That’s something an inquiry definitely needs to get to the bottom of.

If you remember back then, if you had symptoms you were told to self isolate for two weeks.  There were hardly any publicly available tests so you couldn’t check if you had it or not.  It was also thought then that you were only infectious if you had symptoms and if you were asymptomatic you couldn’t pass it on.

So it’s pretty obvious that there were problems in care homes.  Pulling people out of hospital to care homes, seems now to have been a bad move but it’s not clear to what extent that’s contributed to the problems especially as what was known about the virus and how it spreads has evolved a lot since that time. 

Pretty much this. They had a choice of leaving these people in hospital which might have lead to not enough beds and with the risk of catching Covid in hospital or moving them to Care Home. Yes testing them would have been the  best course of action but we had very limited testing capacity and infrastructure to facilitate that quickly so they relied on Care Homes to isolate those they received and thought this would be enough. As you say we cannot know what the impact of this was but we can see that the impact in Care Homes remained severe after this initial stage so if it was a factor I am not sure it was the biggest one.

The real issue with hospital though was the number of people bed blocking which is really where the failing was.

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On 1/14/2022 at 11:02 PM, Auchinyell Sox Change said:

Assume you speak of guys who work 12 hours shifts 7 days per week ?

unlikely to jump on the socialist bandwagon and subsidize the unemployables

 

i speak of guys who have been supporters of independence/snp in the past, nothing to do with socialism as the snp should be about independence and the best way of achieving it

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Heard someone on radio saying restrictions in Scotland hadn't been necessary. Then I saw this map today. Could anyone guess that Scotland and Wales were doing something different, maybe even something right?

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1 hour ago, TDYER63 said:

I don’t think this should be allowed.

If the MPs values have changed, fine, but the voters voted for a Blue Tory bastard, not a Red Tory wannabe bastard. 

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25 minutes ago, kumnio said:

I don’t think this should be allowed.

If the MPs values have changed, fine, but the voters voted for a Blue Tory bastard, not a Red Tory wannabe bastard. 

Thumbs up reaction.

There should be a by election in situations like this. The vast majority of people vote for the party rather than the person. 

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33 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

I am not Ian Blackford’s biggest fan but thought he was quite good today. Operation Dogs Dinner 😂

 

I don't mind Blackford. He says alot of decent stuff and gets pelters for it from the tories. 

That clip just shows the contempt bojo and his privileged gang of cunts have for scotland

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17 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

I don't mind Blackford. He says alot of decent stuff and gets pelters for it from the tories. 

That clip just shows the contempt bojo and his privileged gang of cunts have for scotland

When it cuts to the bit with him making childish faces it beggars belief. To think this person is running the UK is frightening. 

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