Lamia Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 12 hours ago, chaff said: I'But you're right, how can we possibly adhere to what the government says when they've done the complete opposite. I will have no difficulty if I know the rules are protecting myself and others. Yes it matters what the rule setters do but as I have said I don't abide by the rules for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrisandmoo Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 2 hours ago, phart said: I'm in a situation where going to a club in the next few weeks seems mental to me. I appreciate that I have a different set of circumstances to a lot of folk though. I would support closing clubs, limiting opening hours for pubs and promoting outdoor areas. The cost/benefit makes sense to me. But I've never liked clubs anyway....so would favour closing then with or without covid 😀 I know it's not ideal for the businesses (and we should support them) or younger people trying to have fun. Hopefully pubs are well adapted that they can get decent amount outdoors also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Morrisandmoo said: Yeah I don't think you can ask people not to see family. That can't be on the list of things we are prepared to do. On that I agree totally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Lamia said: I will have no difficulty if I know the rules are protecting myself and others. Yes it matters what the rule setters do but as I have said I don't abide by the rules for them. That's the thing, a lot of the rules are a nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Morrisandmoo said: I would support closing clubs, limiting opening hours for pubs and promoting outdoor areas. The cost/benefit makes sense to me. But I've never liked clubs anyway....so would favour closing then with or without covid 😀 I know it's not ideal for the businesses (and we should support them) or younger people trying to have fun. Hopefully pubs are well adapted that they can get decent amount outdoors also. Not much fun sitting outside a pub at -5 in January tbf. Has there ever been any proof that limiting opening times reduces cases? That for me just seemed like made up rule to make them look like they were doing soemthing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 59 minutes ago, Lamia said: I just don't get this attitude to be honest. Any measures are not in place to please Boris Johnson they are to protect the rest of us. Not abiding by the rules is actually sticking two fingers up at the likes of me (granted I am sure that would please some of you!) who have made huge sacrifices for not just myself but to protect others not for the government. I never said it was my attitude, it will be the attitude of a lot of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 49 minutes ago, chaff said: We've all made huge sacrifices. I'm just starting to question their attitude and motives. As I said earlier, I've done everything they've asked, jagged and boostered, stayed in, never went anywhere, not seen my family since 2 years past August, yet these utter bastards openly flaunt the advice that they give out. For me personally, it can't continue like this. I will carry on wearing a mask, social distance and take lat flow tests but I can't blame people for having had enough especially when our elected leaders are contemptuous. I don't blame people. I know it is hard. As I have said I didn't see my mum for a year before she died. But we do as I have also said need to adapt regardless of any motives it is clear what will happen if we don't. It is clear we won't do that voluntarily though. The thing I have never got is if the government rules allow something people think that means it is safe, very few people actually think about what they can do to make things safer personally and maybe chose not do certain things or do them in different ways, when making those small changes that actually have limited negative impact on them could make a significant positive impact on the transmission of the virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Lamia said: will happen if we don't. It is clear we won't do that voluntarily though. The thing I have never got is if the government rules allow something people think that means it is safe, very few people actually think about what they can do to make things safer personally and maybe chose not do certain things or do them in different ways, when making those small changes that actually have limited negative impact on them could make a significant positive impact on the transmission of the virus. I agree with that. I was in England after they binned masks, i still wore mine when on packed tubes etc though as it felt weird/unsafe not to. There is some things i had wished i had fucked off though over the last 20 months and not visiting my dying gran for months was one of them. In hindsight, she would have preferred seeing her grandchildren in her last few weeks. i thankfully just broke the rules near the end but i hate myself for not doing it earlier. Ironically i was staying away from my gran in her last weeks when these utter cretins were having parties laughing at us mugs. I'm sure i'll not be the only one who will be seeing close friends and family as i usually would (prior to 2020) regardless of what the "rules" are over Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Folk can act how they want just like Boris Johnson would do It's relatively easy for me to "shield" myself somewhat so no great sacrifice. It's impossible for others in certain jobs etc. Boris Johnson has just given folk a reason or a justification for potentially ignoring any restrictions. The numbers are all speculative atm but could be crazy amount of infections. We could see what the original one would have looked like without the sharp lockdown. Or it could all be an over-reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Worrying levels of poor mental health in hospital staff too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Something happening as well as first and second jags suddenly jumping up in Scotland, almost 45k total injection for the first time in months and months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 This thread is approaching its two year birthday. Been a long two years, especially the last one... fuck me. Thinking I might retire. Too young but might as well as I wont be able to work, travel, attend public events, socialise, or shop for non essentials That sure cuts down the expenses in retirement as well. 😀 Maybe start an Alex Jones type youtube channel... or become a TV evangelist. Something that is both lucrative and capable of doing online. Quite like the idea of a small holding... get some chickens, pigs, etc maybe have a polytunnel or two for the cultivation of cannabis vegetables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 6 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: There is some things i had wished i had fucked off though over the last 20 months and not visiting my dying gran for months was one of them. In hindsight, she would have preferred seeing her grandchildren in her last few weeks. i thankfully just broke the rules near the end but i hate myself for not doing it earlier. Ironically i was staying away from my gran in her last weeks when these utter cretins were having parties laughing at us mugs. I'm sure i'll not be the only one who will be seeing close friends and family as i usually would (prior to 2020) regardless of what the "rules" are over Christmas. I completely get this. I said exactly the same about my mum. I didn't have the choice though and I still feel guilty about that. There will be thousands and thousands of us feeling like like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Pfizer CEO: Fourth dose of COVID vaccine may be needed sooner than expected because of Omicron variant Gosh imagine my surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 The majority of the Nordic nations are currently swept by a new COVID wave, and are seeing their all-time daily infection records broken or witnessing near-record figures, despite having some of Europe's highest vaccination rates and rolling out booster shots. https://sputniknews.com/20211209/norway-sees-record-number-of-daily-covid-cases-during-entire-pandemic-1091370410.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 It does seem crazy that the entire country had to sacrifice so much for nearly two years and then right before flu season they have a massive conference involving 26,000 delegates or whatever from all around the world with 400 odd private jets flying in bringing in entourages of people from every country (people who don't feel much need to abide by their own mask and social distancing mandates)... Anyone looking might think they are fucking stupid and don't have a clue what they are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 3 hours ago, thplinth said: It does seem crazy that the entire country had to sacrifice so much for nearly two years and then right before flu season they have a massive conference involving 26,000 delegates or whatever from all around the world with 400 odd private jets flying in bringing in entourages of people from every country (people who don't feel much need to abide by their own mask and social distancing mandates)... Anyone looking might think they are fucking stupid and don't have a clue what they are doing. Agreed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 It;s like groundhog day. 4 hours ago, thplinth said: It does seem crazy that the entire country had to sacrifice so much for nearly two years and then right before flu season they have a massive conference involving 26,000 delegates or whatever from all around the world with 400 odd private jets flying in bringing in entourages of people from every country (people who don't feel much need to abide by their own mask and social distancing mandates)... Anyone looking might think they are fucking stupid and don't have a clue what they are doing. Sturgeon got her photo ops though. About to through businesses under the bus.....again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Think we're about to see this played out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 I can't say I'm not concerned about Omicron, but will it stop me socialising over the festive period? Unless hospitality venues are boarded up I'd doubt it. I've no objection to taking regular tests as a precaution, they are free and easy to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrisandmoo Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 On 12/9/2021 at 9:58 AM, Squirrelhumper said: Not much fun sitting outside a pub at -5 in January tbf. Has there ever been any proof that limiting opening times reduces cases? That for me just seemed like made up rule to make them look like they were doing soemthing. I don't know, but makes sense to me that it would have a small impact. The longer you spend somewhere socialising then the higher the risk, so limiting opening times should make a difference. I get that some of the younger folk will just immediately head to house parties, but they do that anyway. I know for me the longer I spend in the pub then the higher the risk of me hugging random strangers or engaging in similar nonsense. So sending me home early is definitely effective! Maybe the rule should just apply to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 44 minutes ago, Toepoke said: I can't say I'm not concerned about Omicron, but will it stop me socialising over the festive period? Unless hospitality venues are boarded up I'd doubt it. I've no objection to taking regular tests as a precaution, they are free and easy to do. It might stop you if you catch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 35 minutes ago, Orraloon said: It might stop you if you catch it. 😄 Fair point. Three vaccinations in however I'm getting to the stage where it's worth the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Toepoke said: 😄 Fair point. Three vaccinations in however I'm getting to the stage where it's worth the risk. We should be at a lower risk of getting severe disease but I'm no following M&m's example by starting to hug random strangers. Fuk that, I might catch something worse than COVID. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Also seen some calculations that show it might not be less severe, it's actually an artifact of immune escape that gives the false impression of less severe cause of the way counting is done. here's a picture to demonstrate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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