Coronavirus

[phart]

[DAVIDB46]

6 minutes ago, aaid said:

How successful the different paths are will become apparent in the next few weeks, however, it’s worth pointing out that when it comes to the approach in Scotland, it’s more closely aligned to not only Wales and Northern Ireland but the rest of Europe, it’s really England that’s the outlier here.   I doubt that the UKG is putting public health at top of their agenda. 
 

But hey, Nicola Sturgeon just wants to be different. 

Her different path has not been successful any previous time though  , never got rid of masks here yet at times numbers have been even worse here .

I do feel the tide is changing though was “queuing” outside Pandora last week to buy a Xmas present , guy in front of me was asked if he would put on a mask , he said he doesn’t do masks and he was allowed to proceed into the shop as of course it is only “guidance “

I did have one on actually but they are completely pointless and prevent nothing. 

 

[Lamia]

10 minutes ago, DAVIDB46 said:

Her different path has not been successful any previous time though  , never got rid of masks here yet at times numbers have been even worse here .

I do feel the tide is changing though was “queuing” outside Pandora last week to buy a Xmas present , guy in front of me was asked if he would put on a mask , he said he doesn’t do masks and he was allowed to proceed into the shop as of course it is only “guidance “

I did have one on actually but they are completely pointless and prevent nothing. 

 

Where do you even start wit this....😂

[dandydunn]

On 12/23/2021 at 2:24 PM, phart said:

😂😂😂😂

[Squirrelhumper]

54 minutes ago, aaid said:

How successful the different paths are will become apparent in the next few weeks, however, it’s worth pointing out that when it comes to the approach in Scotland, it’s more closely aligned to not only Wales and Northern Ireland but the rest of Europe, it’s really England that’s the outlier here.   I doubt that the UKG is putting public health at top of their agenda. 
 

But hey, Nicola Sturgeon just wants to be different. 

Even France allows 5000 in football stadiums with much less vaccinated than us and much much less boosters.

We are the most vaccinated part of the UK with the most restrictions. There is 35 folk in ICU out of over 5.5m in Scotland.  Its not out the ordinary to suggest we have shat the bed here and have hung out businesses to dry yet again. 

South Africa have much more evidence than us, have reduced their isolation etc yet we are shutting down businesses with 90%+ of the adult population fully vaxxed? You cant just keep on doing that every time theres a variant, every country is different and the UK population have stepped up more than most in vaccination percentages. 

[hampden_loon2878]

To me the restriction will just force people into crowded house holds, folk round to watch football and take in the new year. 

[phart]

Just to reiterate SA have more deaths in less population than us(UK) despite the mean age being considerably lower than ours. They have 40% of the total counted deaths in the whole of Africa. Their excess deaths have been estimated as high as 280k for the entire pandemic.

From the economist excess mortality piece

"Among developing countries that do produce regular mortality statistics, South Africa shows the grimmest picture"

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

I'd not hold them up as a comparison of how to effectively mitigate a public health crisis.

That being said there is of course many factors in this, they also have a much larger immunocompromised population due to other epidemics circulating in the country. Their omicron wave ostensibly appears to have not been anywhere near as deadly as the previous 3 waves, especially their last delta one.

We're going to get plenty of data in the next 3 weeks.

[hampden_loon2878]

It really does come across like those under a certain age are “done” with the restrictions, bars seem to be pretty much ignoring restriction guidelines, bars stapped to the gunnels which is actually good to see. i notice the difference in attitude with my mother and father, they are wary of going out and socialising, get under the age of fifty and they dont give a shit 

[Lamia]

1 hour ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

It really does come across like those under a certain age are “done” with the restrictions, bars seem to be pretty much ignoring restriction guidelines, bars stapped to the gunnels which is actually good to see. i notice the difference in attitude with my mother and father, they are wary of going out and socialising, get under the age of fifty and they dont give a shit 

Nice to know the younger generation don't "give a shit" about other people - reassuring for the future!

[Lamia]

The UK Government have a history of waiting for the data before acting and then it has meant restrictions have come in too late and have been required for longer. They haven't changed that approach this time. If it actually pays off this time it won't be because of good judgement and overall it will remain a disastrous strategy. I really hope it turns out that things are much better this time but that won't make the UK Government right.

[vanderark14]

Arrived back in Scotland and immediately have to self isolate as my mother tested positive. A she was living with us over Christmas 

New year fucked but at least nobody is seriously ill

[ParisInAKilt]

Fingers crossed 

[Lamia]

Kinda puts not being able to go to the football into perspective!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-59761535

[aaid]

12 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said:

Even France allows 5000 in football stadiums with much less vaccinated than us and much much less boosters.

We are the most vaccinated part of the UK with the most restrictions. There is 35 folk in ICU out of over 5.5m in Scotland.  Its not out the ordinary to suggest we have shat the bed here and have hung out businesses to dry yet again. 

South Africa have much more evidence than us, have reduced their isolation etc yet we are shutting down businesses with 90%+ of the adult population fully vaxxed? You cant just keep on doing that every time theres a variant, every country is different and the UK population have stepped up more than most in vaccination percentages. 

As you say yourself, every country is different and so they are implementing different restrictions  

Germany cut stadium capacity by 50% a month ago, they’ve been on a winter break for a week so no need to do anything more at the moment in that regard.  Clubs and discos are closed, there are more stringent measures on how many people unvaccinated can meet. 

Wales are fully BCD for sport, Holland is on a full lockdown.  A number of EU countries have placed severe restrictions on people travelling from the UK.   Ireland allow crowds of 5000 but pubs are shut from 8 pm.

In England, the government has said, maybe put a mask on if you feel like it but we won’t be enforcing it and be alert.

You get the picture. 

[phart]

1 hour ago, ParisInAKilt said:

Fingers crossed 

looks good, the problem is the 14 year diifference in mean age, which isn't being factored into the comparison.

2.3% chance of hospitalisation at 27 (for males) 5% at 40. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/covid-pandemic-mortality-risk-estimator

So just putting the rough calculation in using mean, and that isn't actual size of say 60+ demographs, it's a different picture,

All this will have been factored in by the mathematicians in charge of trying to predict what is going to happen.

Obviously atm we're looking good as well due the immunity wall we've already built and also seeing preliminary reports that omicron infection actually provides protection against delta too which is really good news as well.

[DAVIDB46]

With leitch saying today that they expected peak of case numbers late January early February , tells you there will be no return to crowds mid January .

whilst we focus on case numbers here as opposed to the outcome of them nothing will change here

[Orraloon]

I'm in favour of the more cautious approach, which is partly due to the fact that I'm a wee bit older and therefore more likely to die if I catch it. In my younger days I wouldn't have been so keen on too many restrictions. But even then, not being allowed to go to the football in the middle of winter, wouldn't even have registered on my scale on "minor inconvenience".

Now, if this had happened to me, I would be very pissed off.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59808620

But even that is fairly minor in the overall scheme of things.

 

 

[hampden_loon2878]

5 hours ago, Lamia said:

Nice to know the younger generation don't "give a shit" about other people - reassuring for the future!

Or is it the other way around, young folk are being denied their right to live a normal life 

[vanderark14]

4 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

Or is it the other way around, young folk are being denied their right to live a normal life 

They're not really being denied that much are they? You're being dramatic for effect here.

They're being inconvenienced for a short period.

[vanderark14]

There's only one rule I don't really understand. If our PCR tests come back negative and I've been jabbed twice plus a booster, why do I still have to self isolate in Scotland?

[Orraloon]

1 minute ago, vanderark14 said:

There's only one rule I don't really understand. If our PCR tests come back negative and I've been jabbed twice plus a booster, why do I still have to self isolate in Scotland?

It's because you are a close contact of somebody else who has tested positive. You might turn positive in a few days time, or you may never get it at all. None of the rules are perfect. They can't be made perfect as there are too many unknowns. They make the rules based on what they think will reduce the number of infections overall.

The rules are being made by fallible people who don't have all the answers or all of the data they would like to have. This is one of the reasons why different counties have different rules.

[Orraloon]

Here are the current rules which have changed a wee bit since I last read them. 

https://www.nhsinform.scot/illnesses-and-conditions/infections-and-poisoning/coronavirus-covid-19/test-and-protect/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-infection

[vanderark14]

27 minutes ago, Orraloon said:

It's because you are a close contact of somebody else who has tested positive. You might turn positive in a few days time, or you may never get it at all. None of the rules are perfect. They can't be made perfect as there are too many unknowns. They make the rules based on what they think will reduce the number of infections overall.

The rules are being made by fallible people who don't have all the answers or all of the data they would like to have. This is one of the reasons why different counties have different rules.

I should just head back to England where I'd be able to do as I please 🤣😜

[Orraloon]

7 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

I should just head back to England where I'd be able to do as I please 🤣😜

🤣

Is anybody stopping you from doing that here? Apart from your own conscience that is. 

[vanderark14]

Just now, Orraloon said:

🤣

Is anybody stopping you from doing that here? Apart from your own conscience that is. 

It's not worth it, if we go visit elderly relatives or vulnerable relatives and they catch it, id feel horrible