phart Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, exile said: And they're standing down the 'Nightingale' hospitals? South east looking really bad Edited December 29, 2020 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Wish it was only the Covid deniers who would need hospital treatment. 🤨 I feel so sorry for the staff having to pick up the pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Lamia said: Wish it was only the Covid deniers who would need hospital treatment. 🤨 I feel so sorry for the staff having to pick up the pieces. It's getting grim for them Edited December 29, 2020 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) And that is where the people who think that everyone but the so called "vulnerable" should just be allowed to get on with their lives argument falls apart. Edited December 29, 2020 by Lamia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Oxford University vaccine now approved. Roll out starts next week. Fantastic news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 50 minutes ago, King Of Paisley said: Oxford University vaccine now approved. Roll out starts next week. Fantastic news It's a lot easier to mass distribute this one and I think there is a lot of doses ready to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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exile Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 15 hours ago, phart said: It's getting grim for them It's disturbing that doctors are having to appeal like this as the news isn't covering it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 39 minutes ago, phart said: Johnson said "it's a triumph of British Science". But the Pfizer one was not a triumph of German (etc) science, it was a triumph of British procurement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, exile said: It's disturbing that doctors are having to appeal like this as the news isn't covering it. Media being blocked from having access senior journalists and doctors talking about it on twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, exile said: Johnson said "it's a triumph of British Science". But the Pfizer one was not a triumph of German (etc) science, it was a triumph of British procurement. Developed by Turkish immigrants no less. A triumph of freedom of movement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 27 minutes ago, phart said: Media being blocked from having access senior journalists and doctors talking about it on twitter. Ah democracy and free speech, dont ye just love it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Should we be concerned that they are now playing around with the administration of the Pfiser vaccine dose scheduling?🤨 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 The Covid thread on the Stoke website is a bit different to here: https://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/294064/coronavirus?page=1601 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Lamia said: Should we be concerned that they are now playing around with the administration of the Pfiser vaccine dose scheduling?🤨 Are they? What are they doing? I thought the Pfizer one was two doses about 21 days apart. That's what all the trials are based on. Where did you see this? I know they have relooked at the dosage for the AstraZeneca one but I haven't read anything like that about the Pfizer one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Orraloon said: Are they? What are they doing? I thought the Pfizer one was two doses about 21 days apart. That's what all the trials are based on. Where did you see this? I know they have relooked at the dosage for the AstraZeneca one but I haven't read anything like that about the Pfizer one. Ok found it now. So, they are now recommending the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine is given between 3 and 12 weeks after the first. For the AstraZeneca one, they are saying between 4 and 12 weeks. I'm sure they have data to back up those changes. Doesn't sound like too big a change to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Ok found it now. So, they are now recommending the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine is given between 3 and 12 weeks after the first. For the AstraZeneca one, they are saying between 4 and 12 weeks. I'm sure they have data to back up those changes. Doesn't sound like too big a change to me. My sister got the Pfizer vaccine on 15 dec, booked in for second one on 12 jan. Friend who works in care homes has similar dates. Not exactly a large sampling admittedly but seems to be in line with the above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lamia Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Orraloon said: Ok found it now. So, they are now recommending the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine is given between 3 and 12 weeks after the first. For the AstraZeneca one, they are saying between 4 and 12 weeks. I'm sure they have data to back up those changes. Doesn't sound like too big a change to me. Pfizer didn't seem convinced in the quote I saw so if Pfizer don't know if this will have an impact I am not sure how the UK knows. I can't believe no one has asked what they are basing the decision on, not one journalist at the press conference thought it worthy but asked their usual inane questions Edited December 30, 2020 by Lamia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 3 hours ago, TDYER63 said: My sister got the Pfizer vaccine on 15 dec, booked in for second one on 12 jan. Friend who works in care homes has similar dates. Not exactly a large sampling admittedly but seems to be in line with the above. It has only just been changed though. My dad who is in a Care Home has had his first and is due to get the second mid Jan. I will be interested to see if they change that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Lamia said: Pfizer didn't seem convinced in the quote I saw so if Pfizer don't know if this will have an impact I am not sure how the UK knows. I can't believe no one has asked what they are basing the decision on, not one journalist at the press conference thought it worthy but asked their usual inane questions I posted the data for a single dose earlier in this thread. Must be miles back now. No idea what's happening specifically with the new dosing regiment. Hearing journalists and politicians discuss the science they don't understand won't be helpful though. Here's some info from some scientists i saw though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I see a lot of people asking questions though and in the field of vaccines as well. Would be good to get one of the scientists to explain it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 28 minutes ago, Lamia said: It has only just been changed though. My dad who is in a Care Home has had his first and is due to get the second mid Jan. I will be interested to see if they change that though. Both the MHRA and JCVI have said that there is enough evidence in the data to support the changes. That's good enough for me. There is a clear trade off between people having a bit less protection for the extended period between doses, and other people having no protection at all, because they can't get the first dose. They have decided that on balance it's better to get as many people as possible to have the lower level of protection rather than than have half the number have near full as possible protection. The logic seems sound to me but it needs folk with more knowledge than me to work out the statistical benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 47 minutes ago, Lamia said: It has only just been changed though. My dad who is in a Care Home has had his first and is due to get the second mid Jan. I will be interested to see if they change that though. 👍 I hope the timing for your dad’s second vaccination remains in place. I think what Orraloon has said makes sense, but when its your own family and the expectation has been for a second vaccine imminently it probably gives more comfort for it to go ahead as planned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 2 hours ago, phart said: I posted the data for a single dose earlier in this thread. Must be miles back now. No idea what's happening specifically with the new dosing regiment. Hearing journalists and politicians discuss the science they don't understand won't be helpful though. Here's some info from some scientists i saw though It is the Pfizer vaccine I am talking about though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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