thplinth Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) https://www.rt.com/news/490734-hydroxychloroquine-faulty-data-science-flaw/ Rush to trash hydroxychloroquine based on faulty Surgisphere data exposes fundamental flaws in profit-based medical ‘science’ As the WHO and prestigious medical journal the Lancet back away from questionable data provided by healthcare analytics firm Surgisphere, ulterior motives for the rush to demonize hydroxychloroquine become clear. The World Health Organization (WHO) sheepishly resumed testing the off-patent malaria drug hydroxychloroquine on coronavirus patients on Wednesday after pausing that arm of its ‘Solidarity’ clinical trial based on data that appeared to show the drug contributed to higher death rates among test subjects. That data, it turned out, came from a tiny US healthcare analytics firm called Surgisphere, and calling it faulty would be excessively charitable Edited June 4, 2020 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Looking at it , looks bad science, tobacco stuff. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31290-3/fulltext Important scientific questions have been raised about data reported in the paper by Mandeep Mehra et al—Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis 1 —published in The Lancet on May 22, 2020. Although an independent audit of the provenance and validity of the data has been commissioned by the authors not affiliated with Surgisphere and is ongoing, with results expected very shortly, we are issuing an Expression of Concern to alert readers to the fact that serious scientific questions have been brought to our attention. We will update this notice as soon as we have further information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/03/exclusive-coronavirus-began-accident-disease-escaped-chinese/ Sir Richard Dearlove having his say. Edited June 5, 2020 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 48 minutes ago, phart said: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/03/exclusive-coronavirus-began-accident-disease-escaped-chinese/ Sir Richard Dearlove having his say. https://thediplomat.com/2020/05/why-would-the-us-have-funded-the-controversial-wuhan-lab/ It's going to get interesting/scary! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 27 minutes ago, ThistleWhistle said: https://thediplomat.com/2020/05/why-would-the-us-have-funded-the-controversial-wuhan-lab/ It's going to get interesting/scary! The US has a history of exporting anything they're not allowed to do, torture, unlimited detention etc. Other countries ofc just do it so just as bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 17 hours ago, thplinth said: https://www.rt.com/news/490734-hydroxychloroquine-faulty-data-science-flaw/ Rush to trash hydroxychloroquine based on faulty Surgisphere data exposes fundamental flaws in profit-based medical ‘science’ As the WHO and prestigious medical journal the Lancet back away from questionable data provided by healthcare analytics firm Surgisphere, ulterior motives for the rush to demonize hydroxychloroquine become clear. The World Health Organization (WHO) sheepishly resumed testing the off-patent malaria drug hydroxychloroquine on coronavirus patients on Wednesday after pausing that arm of its ‘Solidarity’ clinical trial based on data that appeared to show the drug contributed to higher death rates among test subjects. That data, it turned out, came from a tiny US healthcare analytics firm called Surgisphere, and calling it faulty would be excessively charitable I think some of the early papers suggesting it worked were based on the same database. There’s a guardian article about Surgisphere, they look dodgy as fuck. Still no good evidence that hydroxychloroquine does any good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 (edited) Survation. (@Survation) Tweeted: NEW @Survation Poll – UK General Election Voting Intention: CON 41% (-4) LAB 39% (+5) LD 7% (-1) GRN 4% (-) SNP 4% (-) BXP 1% (+1) OTH 4% (-) 1018 respondents, fieldwork 3 June 2020. Changes w/ 22-26 May 2020. https://t.co/62TcP0gIzi https://t.co/eGI4eqnYlT https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1269326346930569222?s=20 Edited June 6, 2020 by ThistleWhistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, ThistleWhistle said: Survation. (@Survation) Tweeted: NEW @Survation Poll – UK General Election Voting Intention: CON 41% (-4) LAB 39% (+5) LD 7% (-1) GRN 4% (-) SNP 4% (-) BXP 1% (+1) OTH 4% (-) 1018 respondents, fieldwork 3 June 2020. Changes w/ 22-26 May 2020. https://t.co/62TcP0gIzi https://t.co/eGI4eqnYlT https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1269326346930569222?s=20 Another poll from Optimum showing similar results. That's some swing over a short period pretty much irrelevant at the moment though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, aaid said: Another poll from Optimum showing similar results. That's some swing over a short period pretty much irrelevant at the moment though Totally agree and thought it was interesting that the arse seems to be falling out of their support on the handling of the pandemic. At least they have the perfect demographic to blame for the second spike now..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 2 hours ago, ThistleWhistle said: Totally agree and thought it was interesting that the arse seems to be falling out of their support on the handling of the pandemic. At least they have the perfect demographic to blame for the second spike now..... Just a shame we have 4 years of these bellends still to go. No thanks to the swivel eyed Brexit loving cunts down south who voted for that murdering Etonian cunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Just been reported that there were no COVID deaths reported in last 24 hours in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 28 minutes ago, exile said: Just been reported that there were no COVID deaths reported in last 24 hours in Scotland. First time that's happened in almost 3 months!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, phart said: First time that's happened in almost 3 months!! Wouldn't read too much into it, there's always a drop in registrations over the weekend. Numbers have been steadily declining for a while now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 17 minutes ago, aaid said: Wouldn't read too much into it, there's always a drop in registrations over the weekend. Numbers have been steadily declining for a while now. Hope that's still the cas after the lunacy of The Glasgow Green protest going ahead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 28 minutes ago, King Of Paisley said: Hope that's still the cas after the lunacy of The Glasgow Green protest going ahead If there is any effect, you wont see that for a few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, aaid said: Wouldn't read too much into it, there's always a drop in registrations over the weekend. Numbers have been steadily declining for a while now. Yes I know I actually thought of adding something like that, as we don't expect a flat line from now on, but then thought it was worth just noting this welcome fact on its own merits. I wonder what the R values are. I have seen hints that Scotland's may be coming down while England's going up. Look I know there are all sorts of sensitivites (viral and political) and there is a danger of spurious comparison but I am curious as to if it could be to do with the differences in lockdown easing. Seems we have also dropped into the lowest category of z score indistinguishable from Ireland, Wales, and most of the rest of Europe. Edited June 7, 2020 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, exile said: Yes I know I actually thought of adding something like that, as we don't expect a flat line from now on, but then thought it was worth just noting this welcome fact on its own merits. I wonder what the R values are. I have seen hints that Scotland's may be coming down while England's going up. Look I know there are all sorts of sensitivites (viral and political) and there is a danger of spurious comparison but I am curious as to if it could be to do with the differences in lockdown easing. Seems we have also dropped into the lowest category of z score indistinguishable from Ireland, Wales, and most of the rest of Europe. By all accounts NW England's R number now over 1. And that was BEFORE the protest in Manchester yesterday. Mate has told me that his daughter's school reopening is being called off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Just now, King Of Paisley said: By all accounts NW England's R number now over 1. And that was BEFORE the protest in Manchester yesterday. Mate has told me that his daughter's school reopening is being called off This is really serious news and I really don't understand why it is not headline news. (Well, except to give cover to the Govt, obvs) R going back over 1 should be setting alarm bells ringing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 18 hours ago, King Of Paisley said: Just a shame we have 4 years of these bellends still to go. No thanks to the swivel eyed Brexit loving cunts down south who voted for that murdering Etonian cunt Are there any circumstances where another election could take place sooner ? For example, could a serious resurgence of Covid in England lead to a vote of no confidence in the government and in turn another election? Not that I would want that situation of course. Much as it sticks in my craw I would rather put up with another 4 years of Tory than see people lose their life needlessly. But I was wondering if that, or a Brexit cock up , could perhaps shorten their term in office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee-toon-red Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Just now, TDYER63 said: Are there any circumstances where another election could take place sooner ? For example, could a serious resurgence of Covid in England lead to a vote of no confidence in the government and in turn another election? Not that I would want that situation of course. Much as it sticks in my craw I would rather put up with another 4 years of Tory than see people lose their life needlessly. But I was wondering if that, or a Brexit cock up , could perhaps shorten their term in office. A vote of no confidence would do it but with the size of the majority it would take something seriously chatastrophic for Johnson to lose one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 2 hours ago, TDYER63 said: Are there any circumstances where another election could take place sooner ? For example, could a serious resurgence of Covid in England lead to a vote of no confidence in the government and in turn another election? Not that I would want that situation of course. Much as it sticks in my craw I would rather put up with another 4 years of Tory than see people lose their life needlessly. But I was wondering if that, or a Brexit cock up , could perhaps shorten their term in office. None whatsoever. The Tories have a majority of 80 and generally speaking turkeys don't vote for Christmas. The only thing that could possibly happen.- and I'm not suggesting it will - is that Johnson becomes so personally tainted that's he's considered electoral poison and so the Tory MPs oust him and put someone else in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Peter Henley @BBCPeterH A&E consultant on duty at a big London hospital tells me today “the virus is back” 5:47 PM · Jun 7, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said: Peter Henley @BBCPeterH A&E consultant on duty at a big London hospital tells me today “the virus is back” 5:47 PM · Jun 7, 2020 The warning signs are there from the likes of Iran over exiting lockdown too quickly... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/04/iran-faces-crisis-amid-record-number-of-daily-coronavirus-infections Who knows what kind of impact the masses rallies this weekend will have over the next few weeks?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 1 hour ago, aaid said: None whatsoever. The Tories have a majority of 80 and generally speaking turkeys don't vote for Christmas. The only thing that could possibly happen.- and I'm not suggesting it will - is that Johnson becomes so personally tainted that's he's considered electoral poison and so the Tory MPs oust him and put someone else in. I actually wouldn't be surprised if that happens. His government certainly deserves to fall and as a leader he's been shown to be nothing short of hopeless during this crisis. No one knows how long the Covid thing is going to go on for, or what other crises are waiting around the corner (although Brexit going haywire seems like an obvious if not likely candidate) but if mud starts to stick then I can see them getting shot of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 1 hour ago, aaid said: None whatsoever. The Tories have a majority of 80 and generally speaking turkeys don't vote for Christmas. The only thing that could possibly happen.- and I'm not suggesting it will - is that Johnson becomes so personally tainted that's he's considered electoral poison and so the Tory MPs oust him and put someone else in. That is the preferred Tory way, in my lifetime at least. Keep it in-house. Thatcher -> Major. Cameron -> May -> Johnson. (Also IDS -> Howard, sort of) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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