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4 hours ago, macy37 said:

"Firstly it delivers on a number of long held globalist objectives. 

A cashless society, mandatory vaccination, universal basic income, a surveillance state, restricted freedom of movement and a complete restructuring of the global economy have already been touted as necessary following the “pandemic.” All of these ambitions and economic realities existed before the pandemic first emerged in China."

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5 hours ago, macy37 said:

Just started a read-through of this, went past the WHO stuff as it's irrelevant to me atm

At the start of the next part they state

"The Financial Times reported that close to half of the UK’s hospital beds were empty. With just 60% of acute beds occupied this is 30% less than this time last year."

however clicking the link

"National Records of Scotland data showed that a provisional total of 1,741 deaths from all causes were registered in Scotland in the week to April 5, 643 higher than the average of 1,098 deaths registered in the same week of the previous five years."

So 30% less hospital bed use but deaths are up over 50% in the same time.

What is more important beds used or actual humans dying?

That's literally the first link used to support their argument. I'm sure things are being manipulated as this always happens during these times. It's finding out to what extent it is using bed numbers as opposed to actual deaths isn't a strong counter argument.

We need better information to see what's happening. They're badly cherry picking information to fit their conclusions rather than letting the data speak.

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7 minutes ago, phart said:

Just started a read-through of this, went past the WHO stuff as it's irrelevant to me atm

At the start of the next part they state

"The Financial Times reported that close to half of the UK’s hospital beds were empty. With just 60% of acute beds occupied this is 30% less than this time last year."

however clicking the link

"National Records of Scotland data showed that a provisional total of 1,741 deaths from all causes were registered in Scotland in the week to April 5, 643 higher than the average of 1,098 deaths registered in the same week of the previous five years."

So 30% less hospital bed use but deaths are up over 50% in the same time.

What is more important beds used or actual humans dying?

That's literally the first link used to support their argument. I'm sure things are being manipulated as this always happens during these times. It's finding out to what extent it is using bed numbers as opposed to actual deaths isn't a strong counter argument.

We need better information to see what's happening. They're badly cherry picking information to fit their conclusions rather than letting the data speak.

It says "The financial times reported" but that link takes us to a Jimmy Wales website.:blink:

I stopped reading, but I'm just guessing that the article didn't explain why "almost half the beds are empty"

 

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Gates’ Globalist Vaccine Agenda: A Win-Win for Pharma and Mandatory Vaccination

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By Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Chairman, Children’s Health Defense

 

Vaccines, for Bill Gates, are a strategic philanthropy that feed his many vaccine-related businesses (including Microsoft’s ambition to control a global vaccination ID enterprise) and give him dictatorial control of global health policy.

Gates’ obsession with vaccines seems to be fueled by a conviction to save the world with technology.

Promising his share of $450 million of $1.2 billion to eradicate polio, Gates took control of India’s National Technical Advisory Group on Immunization (NTAGI), which mandated up to 50 doses (Table 1) of polio vaccines through overlapping immunization programs to children before the age of five. Indian doctors blame the Gates campaign for a devastating non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP) epidemic that paralyzed 490,000 children beyond expected rates between 2000 and 2017. In 2017, the Indian government dialed back Gates’ vaccine regimen and asked Gates and his vaccine policies to leave India. NPAFP rates dropped precipitously.

The most frightening [polio] epidemics in Congo, Afghanistan, and the Philippines are all linked to vaccines.

In 2017, the World Health Organization (WHO) reluctantly admitted that the global explosion in polio is predominantly vaccine strain. The most frightening epidemics in Congo, Afghanistan, and the Philippines, are all linked to vaccines. In fact, by 2018, 70% of global polio cases were vaccine strain.

In 2009, the Gates Foundation funded tests of experimental HPV vaccines, developed by Glaxo Smith Kline (GSK) and Merck, on 23,000 young girls in remote Indian provinces. Approximately 1,200 suffered severe side effects, including autoimmune and fertility disorders. Seven died. Indian government investigations charged that Gates-funded researchers committed pervasive ethical violations: pressuring vulnerable village girls into the trial, bullying parents, forging consent forms, and refusing medical care to the injured girls. The case is now in the country’s Supreme Court.

South African newspapers complained, ‘We are guinea pigs for the drug makers.’

In 2010, the Gates Foundation funded a phase 3 trial of GSK’s experimental malaria vaccine, killing 151 African infants and causing serious adverse effects, including paralysis, seizure, and febrile convulsions, to 1,048 of the 5,949 children.

During Gates’ 2002 MenAfriVac campaign in Sub-Saharan Africa, Gates’ operatives forcibly vaccinated thousands of African children against meningitis. Approximately 50 of the 500 children vaccinated developed paralysis. South African newspapers complained, “We are guinea pigs for the drug makers.” Nelson Mandela’s former senior economist, Professor Patrick Bond, describes Gates’ philanthropic practices as “ruthless and immoral.”

In 2010, when Gates committed $10 billion to the WHO, he said  “We must make this the decade of vaccines.” A month later, Gates said in a TED Talk that new vaccines “could reduce population.” And, four years later, in 2014, Kenya’s Catholic Doctors Association accused the WHO of chemically sterilizing millions of unwilling Kenyan women with a  “tetanus” vaccine campaign. Independent labs found a sterility formula in every vaccine tested. After denying the charges, WHO finally admitted it had been developing the sterility vaccines for over a decade.  Similar accusations came from Tanzania, Nicaragua, Mexico, and the Philippines.

A 2017 study (Morgenson et. al. 2017) showed that WHO’s popular DTP vaccine is killing more African children than the diseases it prevents. DTP-vaccinated girls suffered 10x the death rate of children who had not yet received the vaccine. WHO has refused to recall the lethal vaccine, which it forces upon tens of millions of African children annually.

[Global public health officials] say he has diverted agency resources to serve his personal philosophy that good health only comes in a syringe.

Global public health advocates around the world accuse Gates of steering WHO’s agenda away from the projects that are proven to curb infectious diseases: clean water, hygiene, nutrition, and economic development. The Gates Foundation spends only about $650 million of its $5 billion dollar budget on these areas. They say he has diverted agency resources to serve his personal philosophy that good health only comes in a syringe.

In addition to using his philanthropy to control WHO, UNICEF, GAVI, and PATH, Gates funds a private pharmaceutical company that manufactures vaccines and is donating $50 million to 12 pharmaceutical companies to speed up development of a coronavirus vaccine. In his recent media appearances, Gates appears confident that the Covid-19 crisis will now give him the opportunity to force his dictatorial vaccine programs on all American children – and adults.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/government-corruption/gates-globalist-vaccine-agenda-a-win-win-for-pharma-and-mandatory-vaccination/

Anyone else thinking they might just give the vaccine a miss whenever it gets developed.

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1 hour ago, phart said:

 

"National Records of Scotland data showed that a provisional total of 1,741 deaths from all causes were registered in Scotland in the week to April 5, 643 higher than the average of 1,098 deaths registered in the same week of the previous five years."

 

In two out of the five years the date of Easter fell either within or just before that period which will artificially deflate the numbers.  Not that less people die at Easter but that it delays death registrations.   

That won't explain the delta in itself and aside from that arbitrary timeframe, this does seem to be something that is common across Europe certainly and which there currently is no explanation.   The likelihood is there's no single reason and it'll probably be a combination of factors ranging from undiagnosed COVID related deaths, ie, the doctor doesn't record that on the DC, to people being reluctant to seek medical assistance for unrelated problems until it's too late and anything in between.

I don't think that a lot of this will be able to be properly investigated until the pandemic is passed, or is at least under some level of control.   Seems to me to be a lot of guesswork at play here based on incomplete data.

Theres a fuck of a lot of people dying every day from COVID and if there's a reasonable margin of error in the reporting of deaths, personally I'm not that hung up on that.  

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2 hours ago, thplinth said:

Gates’ Globalist Vaccine Agenda: A Win-Win for Pharma and Mandatory Vaccination

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By Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Chairman, Children’s Health Defense

 

Vaccines, for Bill Gates, are a strategic philanthropy that feed his many vaccine-related businesses (including Microsoft’s ambition to control a global vaccination ID enterprise) and give him dictatorial control of global health policy.

Gates’ obsession with vaccines seems to be fueled by a conviction to save the world with technology.

Promising his share of $450 million of $1.2 billion to eradicate polio, Gates took control of India’s National Technical Advisory Group on Immunization (NTAGI), which mandated up to 50 doses (Table 1) of polio vaccines through overlapping immunization programs to children before the age of five. Indian doctors blame the Gates campaign for a devastating non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP) epidemic that paralyzed 490,000 children beyond expected rates between 2000 and 2017. In 2017, the Indian government dialed back Gates’ vaccine regimen and asked Gates and his vaccine policies to leave India. NPAFP rates dropped precipitously.

The most frightening [polio] epidemics in Congo, Afghanistan, and the Philippines are all linked to vaccines.

In 2017, the World Health Organization (WHO) reluctantly admitted that the global explosion in polio is predominantly vaccine strain. The most frightening epidemics in Congo, Afghanistan, and the Philippines, are all linked to vaccines. In fact, by 2018, 70% of global polio cases were vaccine strain.

In 2009, the Gates Foundation funded tests of experimental HPV vaccines, developed by Glaxo Smith Kline (GSK) and Merck, on 23,000 young girls in remote Indian provinces. Approximately 1,200 suffered severe side effects, including autoimmune and fertility disorders. Seven died. Indian government investigations charged that Gates-funded researchers committed pervasive ethical violations: pressuring vulnerable village girls into the trial, bullying parents, forging consent forms, and refusing medical care to the injured girls. The case is now in the country’s Supreme Court.

South African newspapers complained, ‘We are guinea pigs for the drug makers.’

In 2010, the Gates Foundation funded a phase 3 trial of GSK’s experimental malaria vaccine, killing 151 African infants and causing serious adverse effects, including paralysis, seizure, and febrile convulsions, to 1,048 of the 5,949 children.

During Gates’ 2002 MenAfriVac campaign in Sub-Saharan Africa, Gates’ operatives forcibly vaccinated thousands of African children against meningitis. Approximately 50 of the 500 children vaccinated developed paralysis. South African newspapers complained, “We are guinea pigs for the drug makers.” Nelson Mandela’s former senior economist, Professor Patrick Bond, describes Gates’ philanthropic practices as “ruthless and immoral.”

In 2010, when Gates committed $10 billion to the WHO, he said  “We must make this the decade of vaccines.” A month later, Gates said in a TED Talk that new vaccines “could reduce population.” And, four years later, in 2014, Kenya’s Catholic Doctors Association accused the WHO of chemically sterilizing millions of unwilling Kenyan women with a  “tetanus” vaccine campaign. Independent labs found a sterility formula in every vaccine tested. After denying the charges, WHO finally admitted it had been developing the sterility vaccines for over a decade.  Similar accusations came from Tanzania, Nicaragua, Mexico, and the Philippines.

A 2017 study (Morgenson et. al. 2017) showed that WHO’s popular DTP vaccine is killing more African children than the diseases it prevents. DTP-vaccinated girls suffered 10x the death rate of children who had not yet received the vaccine. WHO has refused to recall the lethal vaccine, which it forces upon tens of millions of African children annually.

[Global public health officials] say he has diverted agency resources to serve his personal philosophy that good health only comes in a syringe.

Global public health advocates around the world accuse Gates of steering WHO’s agenda away from the projects that are proven to curb infectious diseases: clean water, hygiene, nutrition, and economic development. The Gates Foundation spends only about $650 million of its $5 billion dollar budget on these areas. They say he has diverted agency resources to serve his personal philosophy that good health only comes in a syringe.

In addition to using his philanthropy to control WHO, UNICEF, GAVI, and PATH, Gates funds a private pharmaceutical company that manufactures vaccines and is donating $50 million to 12 pharmaceutical companies to speed up development of a coronavirus vaccine. In his recent media appearances, Gates appears confident that the Covid-19 crisis will now give him the opportunity to force his dictatorial vaccine programs on all American children – and adults.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/government-corruption/gates-globalist-vaccine-agenda-a-win-win-for-pharma-and-mandatory-vaccination/

Anyone else thinking they might just give the vaccine a miss whenever it gets developed.

looking at the links, it's 6 wild cases "So far in 2017, there have been only six cases of "wild" polio reported anywhere in the world" and "By contrast, there have been 21 cases of vaccine-derived polio this year."

 

Is that really "frightening [polio] epidemics in Congo, Afghanistan, and the Philippines"

2018 numbers per link are "The tally for 2018 shows a dramatic swing: 98 cases of vaccine-derived polio; 29 cases of the wild version."

It is crazy that in the West we get the non-live version and elsewhere we give live-versions to others.

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39 minutes ago, phart said:

looking at the links, it's 6 wild cases "So far in 2017, there have been only six cases of "wild" polio reported anywhere in the world" and "By contrast, there have been 21 cases of vaccine-derived polio this year."

 

Is that really "frightening [polio] epidemics in Congo, Afghanistan, and the Philippines"

2018 numbers per link are "The tally for 2018 shows a dramatic swing: 98 cases of vaccine-derived polio; 29 cases of the wild version."

It is crazy that in the West we get the non-live version and elsewhere we give live-versions to others.

Kennedy isn't impartial in this, he's a pretty prominent opponent of vaccination in general. 

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I see Ofcom are sanctioning London Live TV for irresponsible transmission of a David Icke interview as it ''posed threat to public health', having “the potential to cause significant harm to viewers in London during the pandemic” .

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/apr/20/tv-stations-interview-with-david-icke-posed-threat-to-public-health

In a separate ruling 'ITV was also warned to take care how it reports on repeatedly debunked claims linking 5G mobile phone networks to coronavirus, following comments by This Morning’s Eamonn Holmes. ... that “were ill judged and risked undermining viewers’ trust in advice from public authorities and scientific evidence”. It concluded that 'his subsequent clarification and other comments making clear the link was “fake news” meant there was no need to formally sanction ITV.'

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On 4/20/2020 at 10:39 PM, macy37 said:

Something smells about Boris’s vanishing act. 
 

Drink problem, all too much for him and he’s been hidden away. 

I'd love to hear what his colleagues are saying about him in private when they're getting thrown to the wolves in the press briefing sessions while he's recovering/shirking.

He won't be back until the crisis has turned round and there's credit to be dished out.  Fck knows how even the most compliant of media outlets can spin this to look like anything other than what it was though - a monumental fck-up with severe criminal negligence demonstrated by those in power.

Watching the news earlier they were all going on about the curve flattening out.  It still means folk losing their loved ones, just at a consistent rate not an ever-increasing one.  All these ruined families - just a fkin stat on a trend line.  :( 

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(In case anyone is wondering about his voice... "Kennedy suffers from spasmodic dysphonia, which causes his voice to quaver and makes speech difficult. It is a form of an involuntary movement disorder called dystonia that affects only the larynx.")

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18 hours ago, TDYER63 said:

Coronavirus deaths 41% higher than government's hospital-only figures - ONS

The ONS figures show the total number of care home deaths have increased almost five-fold in seven days.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-deaths-41-higher-than-governments-hospital-only-figures-ons-11976357

It doesn't fill people with much confidence when they can't even count the dead bodies with any degree of efficiency. ;)

But seriously, the media frenzy seems to need easy numbers that they can understand. So, they want to know "how many people died yesterday". If that's what they want, then they should made to realise that that number won't be correct and will need to be adjusted at a later date. But politicians also have this annoying habit of refusing to say "I don't know". They can't give an accurate number because they don't have all the data in such a short timeframe.

It's much more useful to use rolling 7 day and 28 day averages. That smooths out anomalies due to delays in reporting. 

The other issue is in deciding what is a covid death and what isn't. That comes down to the judgement of the individual doctor who signs the "cause of death" section for the death certificate. If the patient is in hospital and has COVID19 symptoms, the x ray or CT scan indicates covid19, or has a positive COVID19 test, then the decision is easy. But even then COVID19 might not go down as the main cause of death. But because COVID19 is a notifiable disease it will be recorded as COVID19 death. 

It's not always so easy to determine cause of death for people who die outside hospital. Especially if that person was already suffering from other serious conditions.

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1 hour ago, thplinth said:

(In case anyone is wondering about his voice... "Kennedy suffers from spasmodic dysphonia, which causes his voice to quaver and makes speech difficult. It is a form of an involuntary movement disorder called dystonia that affects only the larynx.")

It's crazy/malfeesant how much money companies try and make out of pharma. Like for instance insulin, doesn't affect it's actual effectiveness though.

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9 hours ago, Toepoke said:

Just shows how complex the human body is. It can do all that to some folk and yet others get infected and don't even know they've got it.

 

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I am curious now to see how this one plays out and what major changes are made on the back of it (if any).

Would you be happy with compulsory vaccination before you are allowed to board a plane to fly anywhere. If it comes in they wont stop at covid19 IMHO, they will then start to mandate a whole raft of vaccines.

I am not cool with this at all but if they ban you from travel (and god knows what else, i.e. going into other public places) they are effectively putting guns to our heads. And of course this pandemic is the great persuader that will make a lot of people go along with it who otherwise would not have.

These big pharma companies are just as ruthless and cold hearted as Big Tobacco ever was and just as devious and manipulative. The sums of money involved are astronomical. Look at the damage the opioid crisis has done in the US. Those people should be serving life sentences for what they did but instead they retire as billionaires to Switzerland etc. while hundreds of thousands of US families (probably millions by now) deal with the horrific mess. It is beyond disgusting and I don't trust these companies one little bit.

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18 minutes ago, phart said:

It's crazy/malfeesant how much money companies try and make out of pharma. Like for instance insulin, doesn't affect it's actual effectiveness though.

This is interesting on Insulin.   You see shit like this and you realise how great an idea the NHS is.

https://www.businessinsider.com/insulin-lifesaving-prescription-drug-so-expensive-pharma-industry-2019-1?r=US&IR=T

 

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Just now, thplinth said:

I am curious now to see how this one plays out and what major changes are made on the back of it (if any).

Would you be happy with compulsory vaccination before you are allowed to board a plane a fly anywhere. If it comes in they wont stop at covid19 IMHO, they will then start to mandate a whole raft of vaccines.

I am not cool with this at all but if they ban you from travel (and god knows what else, i.e. going into other public places) they are effectively putting guns to our heads. And of course this pandemic is the great persuader that will make a lot of people go along with it who otherwise would not have.

These big pharma companies are just as ruthless and cold hearted as Big Tobacco ever was and just as devious and manipulative. The sums of money involved are astronomical. Look at the damage the opioid crisis has done in the US. Those people should be serving life sentences for what they did but instead they retire as billionaires to Switzerland etc. while hundreds of thousands of US families (probably millions by now) deal with the horrific mess. It is beyond disgusting and I don't trust these companies one little bit.

I'm against compulsory anything, they exist already in some countries, for example if you come from Kenya to Australia you need to have a yellow fever card.

I'm 100% sure these psychos will try and profit from this in anyway possible and compulsory use of their products is definitetly something they will try and lobby for hard. The Tories are bought and paid for so we're pretty much fucked.

 

I've just been looking at world of meters, that's 15k deaths in UK in last 3 weeks. 1780 the 3 weeks before 8 the 3 weeks before that.

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I also do believe there is something to the vaccine damage claims as well. I would not like to estimate how bad it is but I do suspect it is a lot worse than we are being told. Hiding this would be very much in character for these companies. This is what they do when their products are discovered to be defective in someway and killed or hurt a bunch of people. They admit nothing. They have teams of in house lawyers and it is all about liability management. If they have fucked up (or just not cared) they are going to go after anyone who tries to point it out or even brings it up. And we would have to trust these people to inject a cocktail of vaccines into us and our children. With this pandemic this is now suddenly a real possibility.

As RFK Jnr says that does not make you anti vaccine, he is pro-vaccine (as would be most people), but he wants them to be safe(r). It is funny how it is always portrayed (see above for one example) as anti vaccine. Not very honest really. I wonder why...

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2 hours ago, thplinth said:

I also do believe there is something to the vaccine damage claims as well. I would not like to estimate how bad it is but I do suspect it is a lot worse than we are being told. Hiding this would be very much in character for these companies. This is what they do when their products are discovered to be defective in someway and killed or hurt a bunch of people. They admit nothing. They have teams of in house lawyers and it is all about liability management. If they have fucked up (or just not cared) they are going to go after anyone who tries to point it out or even brings it up. And we would have to trust these people to inject a cocktail of vaccines into us and our children. With this pandemic this is now suddenly a real possibility.

As RFK Jnr says that does not make you anti vaccine, he is pro-vaccine (as would be most people), but he wants them to be safe(r). It is funny how it is always portrayed (see above for one example) as anti vaccine. Not very honest really. I wonder why...

In America they have to take up to 5 loads of vaccines that over here we need to take 1, and they have to pay for it too. Or as they did with polio experiment with live vaccines while over here we get the safer one.

I read up on a lot of it when i booked up for Kenya a lot of these big pharma companies are led by personality types that will do everything to make money, in the same way some sportspeople will do anything to win, it makes the board money but you get the bad like dumping enviromental damage in Niger Delta, tobacco science etc.

That's why when you get folk in positions to actually change the status quo, Corbyn, Sanders, Salmond etc everyone gets together to destroy them.

Ruthless fucks and the system is gamed against the individual.

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timeline for American deaths

8 weeks ago: 0 deaths

7 weeks ago: 9 deaths

6 weeks ago: 31 deaths

5 weeks ago: 111 deaths

4 weeks ago: 704 deaths

3 weeks ago: 3,834 deaths

2 weeks ago: 12,895 deaths

1 week ago: 26,033 deaths

Right now: 45,039 deaths

percentage increased

8 weeks ago: 0 deaths

7 weeks ago: 9 deaths (+infinity%)

6 weeks ago: 31 deaths (+244.44%)

5 weeks ago: 111 deaths (+258.06%)

4 weeks ago: 704 deaths (+534.23%)

3 weeks ago: 3,834 deaths (+444.6%)

2 weeks ago: 12,895 deaths (+236.33%)

1 week ago: 26,033 deaths (+101.88%)

Right now: 45,039 deaths (+73.01%)

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4 hours ago, Orraloon said:

It doesn't fill people with much confidence when they can't even count the dead bodies with any degree of efficiency. ;)

But seriously, the media frenzy seems to need easy numbers that they can understand. So, they want to know "how many people died yesterday". If that's what they want, then they should made to realise that that number won't be correct and will need to be adjusted at a later date. But politicians also have this annoying habit of refusing to say "I don't know". They can't give an accurate number because they don't have all the data in such a short timeframe.

It's much more useful to use rolling 7 day and 28 day averages. That smooths out anomalies due to delays in reporting. 

The other issue is in deciding what is a covid death and what isn't. That comes down to the judgement of the individual doctor who signs the "cause of death" section for the death certificate. If the patient is in hospital and has COVID19 symptoms, the x ray or CT scan indicates covid19, or has a positive COVID19 test, then the decision is easy. But even then COVID19 might not go down as the main cause of death. But because COVID19 is a notifiable disease it will be recorded as COVID19 death. 

It's not always so easy to determine cause of death for people who die outside hospital. Especially if that person was already suffering from other serious conditions.

I dont disagree with you at all on the lack of consistency in the reporting of numbers.
It was more to highlight the numbers that are dying in care homes that are not in the figures 

The numbers may not be completely accurate but there is no getting away from the spike in the number of deaths. 

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1 hour ago, TDYER63 said:

I dont disagree with you at all on the lack of consistency in the reporting of numbers.
It was more to highlight the numbers that are dying in care homes that are not in the figures 

The numbers may not be completely accurate but there is no getting away from the spike in the number of deaths. 

The NRS data is published weekly and there have only been a few weeks of information so far. It's hard to know if this is a spike or not. More data required. They are "in the figures", it's just that there is a delay in reporting them. This is something which I don't think has been explained very well. 

The other thing which I think is important is that the daily figures which are being announced state the number dying "with" COVID-19. The NRS explain clearly what their numbers are recording, and that is the number of deaths where COVID-19 is mentioned in the death certificate. Neither of those two definition means that they all died "of" COVID-19. That is a harder distinction to make.

 

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