dandydunn Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, bonzo said: So, when will we find out what work is essential? Don't have a clue what is happening tomorrow. Personally, I’ll be going to work tomorrow. I started a job today and will finish it tomorrow. No one has said my job is not essential, so until my boss tells me to go home, it’ll be business as usual. I suspect it’ll be my last day though 😢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, phart said: I walked 21km today as well, hardly saw anyone really, been refining a good route with minimum amount of people as thought this might happen sooner. Friday walking round linlithgow loch was like it was the start of london marathon so had to find new places to go. If it rains i'm fucked though as was a bit muddy in places and thats with 4 dry days in a row. Cycle paths are good. Its mainly cyclists on them and they whizz by too fast to catch anything 😊 You need to be quick on your feet though when they ring their bell ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, bonzo said: So, when will we find out what work is essential? Don't have a clue what is happening tomorrow. In the space of 20 minutes my Mrs WhatsApp group has went from “joy” that Boris has finally done the “right thing”, to a case of “if it’s a lockdown why has my husband been told he is expected at work tomorrow?”.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, TDYER63 said: Cycle paths are good. Its mainly cyclists on them and they whizz by too fast to catch anything 😊 You need to be quick on your feet though when they ring their bell ! I have the john muir way, avon heritage trail, union canal, route up to cockelroy and loads of back roads to play with, no cycle paths really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 49 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: 😁 In that case you should all file it under’ may not be useful’ Tbh it came from someone I would not expect to peddle shite. As you say, its a minefield and difficult to work out the truth from lies. That's twice you've done this now (the other time being the petrol pump thing). In future, copy and paste an extract into google (as i've just done). You'll quickly see what's pish and what isn't... https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-23/these-are-some-of-the-fake-news-and-hoaxes-being-shared-about-coronavirus-and-what-you-can-do-to-stop-their-spread/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, phart said: I have the john muir way, avon heritage trail, union canal, route up to cockelroy and loads of back roads to play with, no cycle paths really. That sounds much more interesting than the cycle path to Greenock .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davierobbsagod Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, dandydunn said: Personally, I’ll be going to work tomorrow. I started a job today and will finish it tomorrow. No one has said my job is not essential, so until my boss tells me to go home, it’ll be business as usual. I suspect it’ll be my last day though 😢 you said a couple of days ago that you have some EICR's to do in schools surely thats essential as its maintenance in order to keep the school in a state of readiness for when they return,any preventative maintenance would be essential IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loanhead-tartan Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Been told it’s business as usual tomorrow . Site I was on has been shut down so been told to head to the workshop. Absolute pile eh shite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dave78 said: That's twice you've done this now (the other time being the petrol pump thing). In future, copy and paste an extract into google (as i've just done). You'll quickly see what's pish and what isn't... https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-23/these-are-some-of-the-fake-news-and-hoaxes-being-shared-about-coronavirus-and-what-you-can-do-to-stop-their-spread/ In my defence the petrol pump one came from an experienced nurse who actually works at the QE hospital ! It was not beyond the realms of possibility to think the message was real given it was supposed to have come from the assistant director of nursing at the QE. But I will take heed of your link 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, loanhead-tartan said: Been told it’s business as usual tomorrow . Site I was on has been shut down so been told to head to the workshop. Absolute pile eh shite Hearing construction on Scottish Water sites is viewed as “essential” and orders that any work being done must continue, so boss has said its business as usual until either Boris goes a step further or until supplies run out/low as suppliers of material/goods are closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandydunn Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 39 minutes ago, davierobbsagod said: you said a couple of days ago that you have some EICR's to do in schools surely thats essential as its maintenance in order to keep the school in a state of readiness for when they return,any preventative maintenance would be essential IMO I would agree, but it’s a yearly call. We do 20% a year to keep costs down as opposed to doing it every 5 years. Just have to wait and see what happens really. If it was up to me, I’d be at work doing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 The Govt seem to be grimly aware of what looks like being about to happen. If I am following this correctly (and I sincerely hope I'm wrong) we are just now about two weeks behind Italy, and just now taking measures that Italy took? If so, that means we learned nothing extra in those two weeks' notice we could have had, to avoid being on course for an Italy-like meltdown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Peter Hitchens is convinced this is the start of Dystopia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said: Peter Hitchens is convinced this is the start of Dystopia I don't think there's a vaccine for that either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dohadeer Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 5 hours ago, davierobbsagod said: This theory is fake news ,fibrosis is not a symptom of coronavirus and being able to hold your breath for 10 secs will not confirm or deny the presence of the virus unfortunately there area lot of "experts" out there and a lot of crap sailing around tinternet just read the rest of it there is some more fake news in it as well In a nutshell keep your distance and keep washing your hands Most of the time I’m glad that I’m not on social media. In times like these, I would change it to extremely glad/extremely fortunate not to be on social media. The amount of nonsense and incorrect information that must be being spread on Facebook/Twitter/WhatsApp at the moment, is beyond frightening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dohadeer Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 4 hours ago, bonzo said: So, when will we find out what work is essential? Don't have a clue what is happening tomorrow. Maybe I’ll be proved wrong, but I’d have thought that in the vast majority of cases, it would be obvious what work counts as essential and what doesn’t. And also, in many cases, people will need to use their own judgement and defy any bosses who are thinking of their own financial gain, rather than the health of the nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dohadeer Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Does the U.K. Government and Nicola Sturgeon’s advice look to be significantly different here? The U.K. government advice seems to say that people can still go to work if it’s not possible to work from home. Nicola Sturgeon appeared to say ‘essential work only.’ (Which seems a far more sensible approach, in line with the severity of the rest of the guidelines.) Have the U.K. government published that part of the advice incorrectly? I’m sure that a lot of people will be a bit confused by that. Sadly, from what we’ve seen over the past week, a lot of people need to be enforced by law to act responsibly, rather than being able to make sensible decisions for themselves. I would assume that it won’t be long before a list of jobs/sectors which are allowed to continue working is published. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefaetheferry Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 I'm at work today. Dundee city centre was eerily quiet at 8am yesterday. Assuming even more so today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 5 hours ago, dohadeer said: Most of the time I’m glad that I’m not on social media. In times like these, I would change it to extremely glad/extremely fortunate not to be on social media. The amount of nonsense and incorrect information that must be being spread on Facebook/Twitter/WhatsApp at the moment, is beyond frightening. Isn't the TAMB social media? I take your point about fake news but there are different kinds of social media. There's a great deal of valuable info out there from trusted sources that we'd never otherwise know about. Especially international news that British media often miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 7 hours ago, exile said: The Govt seem to be grimly aware of what looks like being about to happen. If I am following this correctly (and I sincerely hope I'm wrong) we are just now about two weeks behind Italy, and just now taking measures that Italy took? If so, that means we learned nothing extra in those two weeks' notice we could have had, to avoid being on course for an Italy-like meltdown? The other issue which was completely inconspicuous by it's absence last night was the issue of NHS staff and the lack of protective gear available to staff. This is an absolute scandal and we are not providing those on the front line with the bst chance to defeat this virus, that is unforgivable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dohadeer Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 27 minutes ago, exile said: Isn't the TAMB social media? I take your point about fake news but there are different kinds of social media. There's a great deal of valuable info out there from trusted sources that we'd never otherwise know about. Especially international news that British media often miss. No, I’m pretty sure that an online message board doesn’t count as social media. I could be wrong though. Also, I don’t think that social media is the correct place to get valuable information. It’s a bit of a ‘Boy who cried wolf’ scenario, as you don’t know what’s genuine or what isn’t. Surely any necessary information can just as easily be found elsewhere, than on social media? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 38 minutes ago, exile said: Isn't the TAMB social media? I take your point about fake news but there are different kinds of social media. There's a great deal of valuable info out there from trusted sources that we'd never otherwise know about. Especially international news that British media often miss. I agree. Fake news is a problem but some of it seems genuine and it is hard to tell the difference. The 2 articles i posted were directly from people i know, not picked up off twitter, and as I said one of them was a nurse who is a long time friend. The only social media i use is this board. I was simply posting something I thought would be of help. I would rather get some fake news occasionally than miss something that was factually correct. There is no harm in telling people to wear gloves at petrol pumps or not wipe the pump with a paper. People can choose to believe it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, dohadeer said: No, I’m pretty sure that an online message board doesn’t count as social media. I could be wrong though. Also, I don’t think that social media is the correct place to get valuable information. It’s a bit of a ‘Boy who cried wolf’ scenario, as you don’t know what’s genuine or what isn’t. Surely any necessary information can just as easily be found elsewhere, than on social media? If you take Twitter. There, the Government is issuing valuable advice as an official means of communication. You can read reports by doctors concerned by the flaws in health policies that the mainstream media don't mention. News reports from legitimate news organisations, like BBC - but also international newscasters, relaying vital stories about things happening in other parts of the world that British media ignore. Obviously there is a lot of opinionated rubbish too but that's no different from TV. On TV you could choose to watch Panorama, Piers Morgan or Mrs Brown's Boys, the fact the TV covers everything from trivia as well as serioous news doesn't mean you don't watch it. Or radio with its opinionated public phone-ins. You can still filter, and focus on the serious bits. Basically it's not a matter of either/or. The UK government approach to this crisis is dangerously questionable. Just yesterday an Irish medic based in Uk was on RTE news in Ireland, saying the UK government approach was inexplicable, deeply distrubing, the Government was "flying blind". There are multiple cases of the World Health Organisation and medics from stricken countries pleading with other countries to take note and take action; the UK is dangerously behind other countries. You rarely if ever hear this stuff on British mainstream media. If you agree its useful to listen to these external voices - trusted sources - then media like Twitter can help us alert to them. Edited March 24, 2020 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Blimey... An intensive-care specialist has broken down just how infectious the new coronavirus is, illustrating the importance of self-isolating to slow the spread of the COVID-19 disease around the world. Professor Hugh Montgomery, director of the Institute for Human Health and Performance at University College London, told Channel 4's "Dispatches" that the virus is three times more infectious than the flu, and therefore spreads much faster and wider. "Normal flu, if I get that, I'm going to infect on average 1.3, 1.4 people ... by the time it's happened 10 times, I've been responsibly for about 14 cases of flu," Montgomery said. This figure comes from calculating 1.3 to the power 10 which yields 13.786. "This coronavirus is very, very infectious, so every person passes to it three, now that doesn't sound like much of a difference, but if each of those three pass it to three and that happens in 10 layers, I have been responsible for infecting 59,000 people." This figure it from raising three to the power of ten, which yields 59,059. https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=HEAa_1585034051 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan_McCole Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 12 hours ago, TDYER63 said: So , do we think people are going to adhere to this lockdown? How will they monitor the once a day exercise or supermarket visits ? They will probably be heaving again tomorrow after this. Nah, will we buggery. The general public are arseholes and a lot of people will just abuse these 'rules'. It'll have to be full lockdown or nothing in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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