Huddersfield Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dave78 said: A crisis like this should be manna from heaven for a Tory PM. It's what they're meant to be good at. Strong leaders, and all that. Instead you have the Irish PM channelling Churchill, while the Tories have elected a bumbling clown. An taoiseach FFS I think in the modern world the Churchill approach is the LAST thing we need, which unfortunately is the style he's 100% reliant on. People want facts, predictions, reassurance, someone to show they understand, etc., etc...not just standing in the rubble waving two fingers around & saying it'll all be OK because we're British. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 On 3/16/2020 at 11:03 AM, Grim Jim said: Good job UK is not shutting down non-food shops, or there would be panic buying of gardening & decorating stuff. Sorry for quoting myself, but B&Q shelves are emptying fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, Huddersfield said: I think in the modern world the Churchill approach is the LAST thing we need, which unfortunately is the style he's 100% reliant on. People want facts, predictions, reassurance, someone to show they understand, etc., etc...not just standing in the rubble waving two fingers around & saying it'll all be OK because we're British. I'm not sure what has changed about crises in the modern world? I agree you want someone with substance, but style counts too. Boris seems to lack both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huddersfield Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Dave78 said: I'm not sure what has changed about crises in the modern world? Information, I think...in older times, people knew nothing. In Churchill's times, people 'knew' largely what they were told. Nowadays, you can find any fact, theory, myth or bollocks you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Schools shutting by Friday. Do I really have to work from home? 😖 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) That's the schools shut until August. Edited March 18, 2020 by Squirrelhumper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, Huddersfield said: Information, I think...in older times, people knew nothing. In Churchill's times, people 'knew' largely what they were told. Nowadays, you can find any fact, theory, myth or bollocks you want. Aye, after i posted the question, it occurred to me that that'd be your answer. I think you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Hibs Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Eurovision Song Contest cancelled. Now this is war!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Bono has apparently written a song for the people of italy haven’t the poor cunts suffered enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) As of time of this post in the UK there have been 2626 "known" cases and 71 deaths There is something they are not letting on about Edited March 18, 2020 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzo Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Asda closing their pizza counters 😥 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: As of time of this post in the UK there have been 2626 "known" cases and 71 deaths There is something they are not letting on about I can see London especially being a hotspot could as bad as Italy unfortunately and the masses still travel on the underground madness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Replay Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: As of time of this post in the UK there have been 2626 "known" cases and 71 deaths There is something they are not letting on about The truth is that we are only testing those who have been admitted into hospital, so in actual fact we have no clue what the actual numbers are, trends etc. Also, people in their 30s & 40s in France & Italy with no pathological history are seriously ill are requiring intensive care. Mainland Europe have realised already that this is 'not just the flu' and have put more drastic measures in place. Our government have adopted a 'we know best' attitude based upon advice from medical experts in the UK which are contradicting those produced in mainland Europe. We are an island, we had the chance to isolate sooner and protect ourselves (border controls, quarantine etc.), but we didn't and I fear this will turn out to be a huge mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Replay Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Also, below is a link to the report published by 'the experts' which sent the UK government into panic mode on Monday; https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lairdyfaeinverclyde Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 24 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: As of time of this post in the UK there have been 2626 "known" cases and 71 deaths There is something they are not letting on about I am not a great believer in conspiracy theories but I agree, there is something going on that we are not getting told about. I am not an expert in body language, however, BJ looks a bit shifty when he gives updates. Maybe better not knowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said: As of time of this post in the UK there have been 2626 "known" cases and 71 deaths There is something they are not letting on about Aye, the real number of actual infections is probably more than 100,000. They also seem to be doing a pretty good job of keeping it quite that the initial modelling was done for a different virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said: As of time of this post in the UK there have been 2626 "known" cases and 71 deaths There is something they are not letting on about I'm assuming the stats above were from yesterday teatime As it's now 2626 "known" cases and 104 deaths Majority of deaths are in London area as Where's the Pies suggested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Replay said: The truth is that we are only testing those who have been admitted into hospital, so in actual fact we have no clue what the actual numbers are, trends etc. Also, people in their 30s & 40s in France & Italy with no pathological history are seriously ill are requiring intensive care. Mainland Europe have realised already that this is 'not just the flu' and have put more drastic measures in place. Our government have adopted a 'we know best' attitude based upon advice from medical experts in the UK which are contradicting those produced in mainland Europe. We are an island, we had the chance to isolate sooner and protect ourselves (border controls, quarantine etc.), but we didn't and I fear this will turn out to be a huge mistake. Apologies if this has already been mentioned but were the younger deaths in France and Italy, or at least young people in a serious condition, not partly due to the fact they were taking ibuprofen to relieve the symptoms , which actually exacerbated the fever and therefore the illness ? Only paracetamol should be taken I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Hibs Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, wheres the pies said: I can see London especially being a hotspot could as bad as Italy unfortunately and the masses still travel on the underground madness There are businesses that still insist that people come into work. Until the Govt says don't, then they have every right to do so. Don't blame the people. Anyway, London is a ghost town - I walked through the city this morning and it was like a Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Replay Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, TDYER63 said: Apologies if this has already been mentioned but were the younger deaths in France and Italy, or at least young people in a serious condition, not partly due to the fact they were taking ibuprofen to relieve the symptoms , which actually exacerbated the fever and therefore the illness ? Only paracetamol should be taken I believe. As far as I know this is a hoax, however, it is known that ibuprofen can make respiratory conditions worse. Current advice is if you are taking ibuprofen for an existing condition, contact your GP. If you are experiencing symptoms of COVID-19, take paracetamol (NOT ibuprofen) to reduce your temperature and drink plenty of water. For the record, the French authorities are advising against taking ibuprofen, which is in line with my point in a previous post about UK sending out different messages to the rest of Europe! https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/anti-inflammatory-drugs-may-aggravate-coronavirus-infection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 some good news https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/japanese-flu-drug-clearly-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-says-china Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Nearly 500 new deaths in Italy alone today. 4,200+ new cases in last day. Ibuprofen is warned against, avoid it but paracetamol is ok. You are now being told to avoid anti inflammatories which ibuprofen is while paracetamol is not. However I understand you are better to let the fever run as that is your body fighting the attack and apparently fever is a highly evolved response that you are best not to try to abate with paracetamol. Apparently you should just let it run as that helps your body most efficiently fight the attack. Somebody may have posted above on it as I saw something about this recently. And yeah it is the French leading this warning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/18/chelsea-open-up-stamford-bridge-hotel-to-nhs-staff-amid-coronavirus-pandemic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 50 minutes ago, Replay said: As far as I know this is a hoax, however, it is known that ibuprofen can make respiratory conditions worse. Current advice is if you are taking ibuprofen for an existing condition, contact your GP. If you are experiencing symptoms of COVID-19, take paracetamol (NOT ibuprofen) to reduce your temperature and drink plenty of water. For the record, the French authorities are advising against taking ibuprofen, which is in line with my point in a previous post about UK sending out different messages to the rest of Europe! https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/anti-inflammatory-drugs-may-aggravate-coronavirus-infection 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, TDYER63 said: Apologies if this has already been mentioned but were the younger deaths in France and Italy, or at least young people in a serious condition, not partly due to the fact they were taking ibuprofen to relieve the symptoms , which actually exacerbated the fever and therefore the illness ? Only paracetamol should be taken I believe. Not according to a local medical expert in Tayside who is known to Dr friend of mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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