vanderark14 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, beardy said: This was clearly a Pandemic several weeks ago. I feel that the WHO delayed announcing it to allow people to sort out travel and insurance. I remember reading that declaring a Pandemic invalidates travel insurance. Also I'm sure I read that low level health insurance in the USA is invalidated when a Pandemic is declared. When the shit hits the fan in america, thats when we will see the real drama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardy Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Yup, half a million Americans are bankrupt medically each year. This will skewer a lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolling hIlls Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 I think UEFA need to make the decision to cancel competitions now. The situation is only going to get worse now. Went to the Tesco in Peebles last night. No pasta left! What the hell is that all about? There were two cases of the virus in the Borders yesterday and people have panicked. Try making a Pasta sauce with rice. Wasn't too bad mind. But seriously, I now think football comes second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, beardy said: Yup, half a million Americans are bankrupt medically each year. This will skewer a lot more. Michigan has announced a state of emergency after two cases discovered. Oh and tom hanks has coronavirus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolling hIlls Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 minute ago, vanderark14 said: Michigan has announced a state of emergency after two cases discovered. Oh and tom hanks has coronavirus You need to rethink playing squash at the local middle englandshire tory club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huddersfield Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 2 hours ago, beardy said: This was clearly a Pandemic several weeks ago. I feel that the WHO delayed announcing it to allow people to sort out travel and insurance. I remember reading that declaring a Pandemic invalidates travel insurance. Also I'm sure I read that low level health insurance in the USA is invalidated when a Pandemic is declared. I've been looking into this as I cancelled a holiday. What's generally speaking not covered is what they call 'disinclination to travel'. That includes a general fear of a pandemic & that would include fear that there might be one or that one has been declared. So in a sense declaring one makes no material difference to them probably not paying out in most cases. They are only really interested if either Government advice recommends you not to travel (generally or to the specific place you are going) or you have medical advice that you shouldn't travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 9 hours ago, thplinth said: I thought you were in your early fifties. Do you not have parents and elderly relatives right in the risk zone? No, and no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Oh well you are all right then Jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, macy37 said: No, and no. Aye, you seem like a loner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) Younger patients now in the mix. Looks like the elderly just succumb faster. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-italy-doctors-intensive-care-deaths-a9384356.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8098831/Coronavirus-doctor-reveals-patients-intensive-care-young-40.html This is why we needed to take preventative measure far sooner... Edited March 12, 2020 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow jock Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 13 hours ago, macy37 said: Hopefully plenty old cop it, save the economy a fortune. What a selfish cunt of a person you come across as !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Chat of Boris closing the schools etc now, this is getting silly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redz Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 20 minutes ago, Kirk said: Chat of Boris closing the schools etc now, this is getting silly I work at a local college / fee paying boarding school. Breaking early for Easter (3 weeks and 2 days off) with plans to teach kids remotely post holidays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Italy has closed all bars, restaurant and most shops. That is not a 3rd world country and they have excellent health care. 827 deaths out 12,462 cases. The growth chart is exponential. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ Out of 1872 cases that have had an outcome 1045 recovered and 827 died. That is 44%! This is the only way to make it fizzle out. https://staythefuckhome.com/ Meanwhile in the UK... nothing. The wider EU is not much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, Kirk said: Chat of Boris closing the schools etc now, this is getting silly 4 or 5 weeks ago I would have agreed with you. But it is better to get the control measures in place before the epidemic gets out of control. By that time it could be too late. It is already too late in some countries. I would rather be looking back in 6, 9, 12 months time saying that the authorities over reacted, than be seeing monster queues of folk trying to get into our hospitals in 1, 2 or 3 months time. Boris isn't making these decisions on his own. He is relying on advice from our public health authorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, thplinth said: 827 deaths out 12,462 cases. The growth chart is exponential. Out of cases tested. A lot of folk will have it and no symtoms, therefore death ratio will be a good bit lower than 827 out of 12,462. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, Redz said: I work at a local college / fee paying boarding school. Breaking early for Easter (3 weeks and 2 days off) with plans to teach kids remotely post holidays. Lucky you, extra hols isnt bad. 7 minutes ago, Orraloon said: 4 or 5 weeks ago I would have agreed with you. But it is better to get the control measures in place before the epidemic gets out of control. By that time it could be too late. It is already too late in some countries. I would rather be looking back in 6, 9, 12 months time saying that the authorities over reacted, than be seeing monster queues of folk trying to get into our hospitals in 1, 2 or 3 months time. Boris isn't making these decisions on his own. He is relying on advice from our public health authorities. I'd rather my business doesnt go to shit if everything is forced to close and people are told not to leave their homes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardy Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, thplinth said: Italy has closed all bars, restaurant and most shops. That is not a 3rd world country and they have excellent health care. 827 deaths out 12,462 cases. The growth chart is exponential. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ Out of 1872 cases that have had an outcome 1045 recovered and 827 died. That is 44%! This is the only way to make it fizzle out. https://staythefuckhome.com/ Meanwhile in the UK... nothing. The wider EU is not much better. I'm amazed at the lack of response, especially with what has happened in Italy. The warning signs are there and it all happened in about 3 weeks. The Italians knew it was coming, they cancelled elective surgery and tried their best to empty the wards and they still were overrun. I just don't get it. It's the same here in Australia. No aggressive action. What I don't get is why our numbers aren't larger especially with how exposed to Asia we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 9 hours ago, slasher said: Sometimes you have to admit that you were wrong, I think that this is one of those times. I was wrong too, got to change your mind when new information becomes available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kirk said: Lucky you, extra hols isnt bad. I'd rather my business doesnt go to shit if everything is forced to close and people are told not to leave their homes It's easy to say that, until it's you or your parents who are waiting in that queue desperate to get some treatment to try to save your life. I would hope it doesn't come to that but a bit of economic grief is better than dying. Initially I thought that this would be similar to SARS. I thought that even if it is 10 times or 20 times worse than SARS then it's not that major in the overall scheme of things. It is looking like this COVID-19 is going to be far, far worse than that. The UK still has a chance to do something before it gets out of control here. That chance won't be here forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, beardy said: I'm amazed at the lack of response, especially with what has happened in Italy. The warning signs are there and it all happened in about 3 weeks. The Italians knew it was coming, they cancelled elective surgery and tried their best to empty the wards and they still were overrun. I just don't get it. It's the same here in Australia. No aggressive action. What I don't get is why our numbers aren't larger especially with how exposed to Asia we are. Look at how slow it is growing now in China (assuming you trust the numbers). Lockdowns work. Hong Kong have managed to pretty much squash it as well doing the same. The UK is doing nothing, open borders, unrestricted travel in and out and I am not aware they are even testing people in large numbers. It is a three monkeys approach to the problem. I could see people really turning on Boris and his government if this goes like Italy in the UK. (edit: same for the Scottish Government to be fair.) This has the potential to put a lot of small businesses under water quite quickly. I see the Dow Jones futures are down over a thousand points again today. Another bloodbath session coming up. Global recession blah blah, disrupted supply chains etc... it is all very possible at this point. One amazing thing I read is that the US gets 90%+ of their generic drugs out of China (& India). This is a result of 'globalization'. Basically all production was outsourced starting in the 1990's. Britain probably did the same. Edited March 12, 2020 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, phart said: I was wrong too, got to change your mind when new information becomes available. Me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardy Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 33 minutes ago, thplinth said: Italy has closed all bars, restaurant and most shops. That is not a 3rd world country and they have excellent health care. 827 deaths out 12,462 cases. The growth chart is exponential. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ Out of 1872 cases that have had an outcome 1045 recovered and 827 died. That is 44%! This is the only way to make it fizzle out. https://staythefuckhome.com/ Meanwhile in the UK... nothing. The wider EU is not much better. The WHO have the death rate as 3.4%. For comparison the CDC flu figures for 18/19 were 34000 deaths from 35,000,000 infections. That's roughly 0.1%. Those idiots who keep comparing it to the flu are out by at least a multiple of 34. Italy was ventilating one in ten patients. Fvck me that is a massive number. Search for your local ICU and see how many Level III beds it has, multiply by 10 and that is then at capacity for overall cases It's scary how quickly the system can be overloaded. This is very scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalgety Bay TA Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Suggestions in Italy last night that they are moving to wartime medical triage. They don't have the resources to treat everyone so it will be who is most likely to survive that gets first dibs at treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardy Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 And Italy has more ICU beds per head of population than the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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