aaid Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, TDYER63 said: Surprise , surprise. Johnson will not ‘lament’ Soleimani’s death. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51001236?ocid=socialflow_twitter&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_mchannel=social So this happened on Thursday and he didn't speak to any other world leaders until today when he got back from his holidays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) Crazy, killed him after asking him to come discuss defusing the situation Edited January 5, 2020 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 lolz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TDYER63 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 10 hours ago, aaid said: So this happened on Thursday and he didn't speak to any other world leaders until today when he got back from his holidays. I dont know what is more concerning. That he didnt think the situation was serious enough to return home. Or that he thinks Dominic Raab is equipped to deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 8 hours ago, phart said: Crazy, killed him after asking him to come discuss defusing the situation Yep, this is tantamount to luring him out under a white flag to parley and then killing him. Pretty disgusting behaviour. Big mistake killing the Iraqi commander as well. Both of these guys were hugely respected in the region and rightly so. Murdered like this by a deceitful, bonespurs, coward President.... Also the 52 sites Trump threatened to bomb includes important historical / cultural sites... that is so fucked up as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Almost seems like the US’s foreign policy is for Israel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, TDYER63 said: I dont know what is more concerning. That he didnt think the situation was serious enough to return home. Or that he thinks Dominic Raab is equipped to deal with it. He's got form for this. When there were riots in London as a result of the police shooting of Mark Duggan, he was on holiday then and didn't come back for days. Apparently he was very reluctant to cut short his holiday. It was only when Theresa May as Home Secretary started to take a lead and the "Where's Boris?" questions started to be asked that he came back. He tries to spin that as being in some remote part of the USA, miles from anywhere. I doubt there's anywhere in the USA that you couldn't get back to London in 24 hours from if it really mattered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 hours ago, aaid said: He's got form for this. When there were riots in London as a result of the police shooting of Mark Duggan, he was on holiday then and didn't come back for days. Apparently he was very reluctant to cut short his holiday. It was only when Theresa May as Home Secretary started to take a lead and the "Where's Boris?" questions started to be asked that he came back. He tries to spin that as being in some remote part of the USA, miles from anywhere. I doubt there's anywhere in the USA that you couldn't get back to London in 24 hours from if it really mattered. I have no problem with politicians taking their holidays, but when major incidents happen such as this , or the events you mentioned, the PM should be showing a bit more urgency. Lying on a beach necking back rum punch with his Caribbean Queen doesn't fill people with much confidence. He will soon find out his new position involves more than being a one trick pony ‘ GET BREXIT DONE’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: I have no problem with politicians taking their holidays, but when major incidents happen such as this , or the events you mentioned, the PM should be showing a bit more urgency. Lying on a beach necking back rum punch with his Caribbean Queen doesn't fill people with much confidence. He will soon find out his new position involves more than being a one trick pony ‘ GET BREXIT DONE’. Well exactly, no problem with him being on holiday at all and in this case I don't even think he needed to come back immediately but to apparently not even pick up the phone until Sunday doesn't send out the strongest message. I saw a good tweet over the weekend to the effect of - "Imagine it was Christmas 2024 and newly elected Labour PM, Jess Phillips" - bear with me here - "had sacked off the family Christmas with her kids and buggered off instead to a Caribbean island with her toyboy lover and was sitting there in similar circumstances what the reaction would be in the UK press". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Reports from Iranian state tv that 35 dead and 48 injured in stampede at funeral procession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Retaliation has begun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: Retaliation has begun They do a retalitory strike then threaten this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I was sort of hoping Iran would just eat the loss and then Trump would be persuaded to drop sanctions and re-institute the nuclear deal or something, seems US is trying to downplay the attack , but Iranian TV claiming they have killed American troops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Hard to get any good info, everyone reporting no casulaties. So maybe pre-warned and this is a face saving exercise before de-escalation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Seems a passenger jet has went down just outside Tehran been reported multiple places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Earthquake as well in Iran, fucking hell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 On 1/5/2020 at 3:01 PM, Jim Beem said: Whatever happens, Ive no doubt Johnson will meekly go along with whatever Trump does, dangling out the back of his bum hole Blair and Bush style. Johnson fails to comment on the US taking out Soleimani other than that we should not lament his death. Today he says it is not the UKs job to determine if the act was illegal or not, whilst in the next breath ‘condemns the reckless and dangerous missile attack on the US airbases.’ Yep, I would say you are pretty much on the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Doubts that the plane crashed due to technical reasons. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-plane-crash-shootdown-ukraine-boeing-latest-a9275051.html%3famp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 20 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: Doubts that the plane crashed due to technical reasons. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-plane-crash-shootdown-ukraine-boeing-latest-a9275051.html%3famp I wouldn't jump to any conclusions or make any assumptions until the facts become clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) Yeah as contained in that article. Philip Baum, the editor of Aviation Security International magazine, said it was too early to speculate. He told The Independent the incident was notable “given the fact it was in Iran and the timing, and if you associate two states with shootdowns, as victims, then Ukraine springs to mind purely because of MH17,” and Iran, given the 1988 US shooting down of an Iranian civilian plane. But, he added, it could just be “a bizarre coincidence that it should happen at this moment of time.” “I just think there is nothing to indicate that it was a shootdown, and if it was shot down then by whom?” Edited January 8, 2020 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, aaid said: I wouldn't jump to any conclusions or make any assumptions until the facts become clear. I am not jumping to any conclusions. Just providing an update. Within a few hours it has gone from reported engine failure by Ukraine and denials that it was terrorist related or a missile that had hit it, to doubts. Of course it all could be a terrible coincidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: I am not jumping to any conclusions. Just providing an update. Within a few hours it has gone from reported engine failure by Ukraine and denials that it was terrorist related or a missile that had hit it, to doubts. Of course it all could be a terrible coincidence. I'd take the retractions of previous statements only that people are rowing back from what they've previously said was based on no material evidence. There will of course be huge amounts of spin and counterspin. I see there's a narrative forming that the Iranians are hiding something by refusing to hand over the black boxes to Boeing. Under the international protocol for investigating air crashes it falls to it Iran to be the lead investigator - they shouldn't be handing the black boxes to anyone. Edited January 8, 2020 by aaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 So. Johnson has spoken to the Iranians, urging calm and, er, can we have Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe back? Downing Street said the phone call lasted around 20 minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 Just remembering, that Iranian President is Hassan Rouhani, the guy who was a student in Glasgow. Nice to think he might have at least some feel for the place (and not bomb around here!) An old blog profile here (from the Spectator). (Manages to have a dig at Glasgow too). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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