bigfingers Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, jamboman said: I know im going to get pelters for this, but for isreal i think a 3-5-2 would be good since they also play that way. I dont think mcginn will be fit btw to start anyway but should be in the squad Marshall McKenna, Coopers, Gallagher Forrest Mctominey Jack Christie Robertson Naismith griffiths. Naismith likes coming deep to link play and only reason id play mctominey over fleck is because his height is useful and he is more defensive I recall robertson slating Mcleish when he played 3 at the back against israel away. Pretty sure he said he didn't really know how to play that position it put both our 2 best right backs (Tierney and robertson) out of position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dohadeer Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, jamboman said: I know im going to get pelters for this, but for isreal i think a 3-5-2 would be good since they also play that way. I dont think mcginn will be fit btw to start anyway but should be in the squad Marshall McKenna, Coopers, Gallagher Forrest Mctominey Jack Christie Robertson Naismith griffiths. Naismith likes coming deep to link play and only reason id play mctominey over fleck is because his height is useful and he is more defensive That line up is frightening(ly bad). Where to start...... 1. We don’t have one decent centre back, never mind three. Why play a formation where we have to find three of them? 2. James Forrest is never a wing back. This is international football. Not Celtic versus a lower-level Scottish team. 3. Where are Armstrong, Fleck, Fraser, McBurnie, McGinn and McGregor? Why would we play with a formation/line-up that includes so few of our best players? We should have at least four of those players in our team, if not all six of them. Your line-up has none of them! Unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 I think at the moment I'd go with: Marshall Palmer - McKenna (Gallagher) - Cooper - Robertson Fleck - McGregor (Jack/McTomiany) Fraser - McGinn - Christie (Forrest) McBurnie (Naismith) Players in brackets could start depending on form going in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 17 minutes ago, Clyde1998 said: I think at the moment I'd go with: Marshall Palmer - McKenna (Gallagher) - Cooper - Robertson Fleck - McGregor (Jack/McTomiany) Fraser - McGinn - Christie (Forrest) McBurnie (Naismith) Players in brackets could start depending on form going in. No Griffiths? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, bigfingers said: No Griffiths? If he's fit and ready, then I'd take Griffiths back - yeah. He's looked good since the winter break and got a few goals. Just taking a look, I hadn't realise he's started every Celtic game since the winter break. He did decide not to feature in the last round of games, presumably focusing on getting back regularly. With what he offers in his all round game compared to our other options and his quality in front of goal, if he's ready to play for us again I'd start with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Just now, Clyde1998 said: If he's fit and ready, then I'd take Griffiths back - yeah. He's looked good since the winter break and got a few goals. Just taking a look, I hadn't realise he's started every Celtic game since the winter break. He did decide not to feature in the last round of games, presumably focusing on getting back regularly. With what he offers in his all round game compared to our other options and his quality in front of goal, if he's ready to play for us again I'd start with him. Think it was clarkes decision not to pick him last time around. Hanley looking not too bad against Liverpool. Our only centre defender playing at that level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dohadeer Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 40 minutes ago, Clyde1998 said: I think at the moment I'd go with: Marshall Palmer - McKenna (Gallagher) - Cooper - Robertson Fleck - McGregor (Jack/McTomiany) Fraser - McGinn - Christie (Forrest) McBurnie (Naismith) Players in brackets could start depending on form going in. That’s pretty much the team I’d go with as well, except with Armstrong instead of Christie. (I don’t really know much about our centre backs and who is better than who. I’d maybe lean towards Hanley and Cooper due to the level they play at, but there are no outstanding candidates for those two positions.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 (edited) Tierney and mctominay both back in training so here's my team atm. Marshall Tierney - McKenna Hanley - robbo Mctominay - McGregor forrest - McGinn - Christie Griffiths Edited February 15, 2020 by bigfingers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dohadeer Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 18 minutes ago, bigfingers said: Tierney and mctominay both back in training so here's my team atm. Marshall Tierney - McKenna Hanley - robbo Mctominay - McGregor forrest - McGinn - Christie Griffiths I’m going to take a wild guess and say that you’re a Celtic fan?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, dohadeer said: I’m going to take a wild guess and say that you’re a Celtic fan?! Haha nope but I have watched celtic recently and Griffiths is looking good. Link up play and finishing. Europa games are coming up. The old firm performing well in those can only be good for us. Edited February 15, 2020 by bigfingers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dohadeer Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, bigfingers said: Haha nope but I have watched celtic recently and Griffiths is looking good. Link up play and finishing. Europa games are coming up. The old firm performing well in those can only be good for us. It wasn’t just Griffiths, but the fact that you had Christie, Forrest, McGregor and Tierney in there as well. A lot of borderline decisions, and you’ve gone with those with the most Celtic connections in every instance. I personally would put English Premiership form ahead of Scottish Premiership form in terms of credentials. Armstrong, Fleck, Fraser and McBurnie all play for teams currently on form in the English Premiership. Also, Tierney at right back is probably not a necessary risk, since Palmer has performed ok there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, dohadeer said: It wasn’t just Griffiths, but the fact that you had Christie, Forrest, McGregor and Tierney in there as well. A lot of borderline decisions, and you’ve gone with those with the most Celtic connections in every instance. I personally would put English Premiership form ahead of Scottish Premiership form in terms of credentials. Armstrong, Fleck, Fraser and McBurnie all play for teams currently on form in the English Premiership. Also, Tierney at right back is probably not a necessary risk, since Palmer has performed ok there. Maybe you are being slightly biased towards the EPL. There's no way Mcburnie should be ahead of an in form Griffiths. I'll take your point on palmer he's made that position his in own the last few games. Bournemouth and fraser haven't been particularly good this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Neils40yarder Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 GK... Fuck knows Rb... Ryan Jack Cb... Liam Cooper Cb... Grant Hanley Lb... Andy Robertson Cdm... Scott McTominay Cdm... John Fleck Rm...Naeneck Forrest Cam...John McGinn Lm...Ryan Fraser Cf...Oli McBurnie If mcginn and McTominay don't make it, I'd play Mcgregor and Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Can some one explain Ryan Jack to me. As far as I can see his a very average player, a bit of a poor mans James McArthur. Why do people put Ryan Fraser on the right when he plays on the left? Is it just to get rid of Forrest? For what it's worth Kelly Tierney/Palmer Cooper Hanley Robertson McTominay McGregor Christie Fleck McGinn /McLean McBurnie Not a fan of Griffiths even when he was scoring for fun in the SPL he wasn't for us or for Celtic in Europe there is no sign that he is as good now as he was then . Neither him nor Naismith offer anything in defence which McBurnie does McGinn and Tierney in if fit Mctominay in even if he isn't. Taking a chance with Kelly but Marshall either plays well or doesn't these days, Kelly's bad games are better than Marshall's even if his good games aren't as good would prefer some consistency If any one which way round is best to play McGinn and Christie fair enough they both appear better on the right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Neils40yarder Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Jack is decent... No more than that. Unfortunately our right back options are wafer thin... SOD is utter pish and Palmer has been inconsistent for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dohadeer Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 54 minutes ago, bigfingers said: Maybe you are being slightly biased towards the EPL. There's no way Mcburnie should be ahead of an in form Griffiths. I'll take your point on palmer he's made that position his in own the last few games. Bournemouth and fraser haven't been particularly good this season. Why is there no way McBurnie should be ahead of Griffiths? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dohadeer Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 30 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Can some one explain Ryan Jack to me. As far as I can see his a very average player, a bit of a poor mans James McArthur. Why do people put Ryan Fraser on the right when he plays on the left? Is it just to get rid of Forrest? For what it's worth Kelly Tierney/Palmer Cooper Hanley Robertson McTominay McGregor Christie Fleck McGinn /McLean McBurnie Not a fan of Griffiths even when he was scoring for fun in the SPL he wasn't for us or for Celtic in Europe there is no sign that he is as good now as he was then . Neither him nor Naismith offer anything in defence which McBurnie does McGinn and Tierney in if fit Mctominay in even if he isn't. Taking a chance with Kelly but Marshall either plays well or doesn't these days, Kelly's bad games are better than Marshall's even if his good games aren't as good would prefer some consistency If any one which way round is best to play McGinn and Christie fair enough they both appear better on the right. Pretty decent line-up, but you seem to have selected a lot of very central midfielders, even in wide areas. Do you not think Armstrong or Fraser would work better in a wide position than McGinn or McLean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, dohadeer said: Why is there no way McBurnie should be ahead of Griffiths? Because I think Griffiths offers more than Mcburnie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dohadeer Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, bigfingers said: Because I think Griffiths offers more than Mcburnie. Seriously? I mean, I don’t know enough about either of them to make a big judgement, but I’d assume that there’s a reason one of them plays near the top of the English Premiership. I don’t tend to think that banging in goals for either of the Old Firm proves much either way about your credentials as an international footballer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboman Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 6 hours ago, dohadeer said: That line up is frightening(ly bad). Where to start...... 1. We don’t have one decent centre back, never mind three. Why play a formation where we have to find three of them? 2. James Forrest is never a wing back. This is international football. Not Celtic versus a lower-level Scottish team. 3. Where are Armstrong, Fleck, Fraser, McBurnie, McGinn and McGregor? Why would we play with a formation/line-up that includes so few of our best players? We should have at least four of those players in our team, if not all six of them. Your line-up has none of them! Unbelievable. as i predicted... pelters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dohadeer Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Just now, jamboman said: as i predicted... pelters Deservedly though?! I mean, subconscious alarm bells must have been ringing in your head, if you were thinking even as you wrote it that there was going to be a backlash! You constructed a team that was missing nearly all of our best players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Just now, dohadeer said: Seriously? I mean, I don’t know enough about either of them to make a big judgement, but I’d assume that there’s a reason one of them plays near the top of the English Premiership. I don’t tend to think that banging in goals for either of the Old Firm proves much either way about your credentials as an international footballer. Mcburnie has only scored 4 goals for Sheff united though... Any player banging them in at any league is in contention. That's where we are at as a nation I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDK Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, jamboman said: as i predicted... pelters In fairness, it doesn't really count when the pelters comes from a person who obviously doesn't know a great deal about football. Your formation is fine, and midfield and strikers are also fine, it's just your defenders that need a tweak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDK Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, dohadeer said: That line up is frightening(ly bad). Where to start...... 1. We don’t have one decent centre back, never mind three. Why play a formation where we have to find three of them? 2. James Forrest is never a wing back. This is international football. Not Celtic versus a lower-level Scottish team. 3. Where are Armstrong, Fleck, Fraser, McBurnie, McGinn and McGregor? Why would we play with a formation/line-up that includes so few of our best players? We should have at least four of those players in our team, if not all six of them. Your line-up has none of them! Unbelievable. First, show some respect! You do realize that other people can have an opinion that differs from yours, don't you? Also, do you not realize that the best team doesn't necessarily contain the best players? Do you honestly think you can only play three central defenders if you have top quality center backs? Sheffield United play 3-5-2 and they have the second best defensive record in English football this season. Do Sheffield United have world class center backs?: Basham, Egan, O'Connell? Would any of those three get into the Tottenham/Manchester United/Arsenal first XI? Are any of those nine what you'd call "top defenders"? Barcelona and Real Madrid aren't going to bid on those players any time soon. On current transfer market value, those three have a combined price tag of £20.5m. Virgil Van Dijk alone, is worth £92.7m. Sheffield United are in 5th position in the EPL. With the second best defensive record in the EPL. Above the likes of Manchester United (biggest club in the world, by the way), Arsenal, Tottenham, etc. Wolves, too, play with a variant of a 3. They are in 7th. Newcastle were looking in trouble, and destined for the drop, before Bruce decided to scrap a back four and replicate the Rafa Benitez template of 3, now they're 12th and pretty much safe. And you say that we have to play 5 in midfield? (I'm going to ignore the fact that 3-5-2 IS having 5 in midfield) 4-2-3-1 isn't 5 in midfield. Technically, it's zero in midfield. Anchormen aren't midfielders, nor are wingers and a number 10. A 3-5-2 would give us 2 box to box midfielders and an anchorman in the middle. This obsession with 4-2-3-1 has brought us nothing with grief. We cannot play with four at the back. We simply do not have the central defenders for it. Therefore, it's a case of strength in numbers. 3 is harder to break down than 2. Our strongest position is in midfield, so why do people want to play two anchormen, two wingers and a number 10? We don't have the luxury of players with wingers and a number 10 and pretty much emptying the midfield. Also, Kwhitelaw is absolutely correct when he talks about the striking position. Since we've played with a sole striker all they seem to do is run around like a headless chicken, as they are given nothing but aimless long balls to catch. A second striker would lighten to load on our sole striker. Plus, playing two strikers would engage and occupy two opposing center backs, as opposed to just one, Edited February 15, 2020 by TDK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 44 minutes ago, dohadeer said: Pretty decent line-up, but you seem to have selected a lot of very central midfielders, even in wide areas. Do you not think Armstrong or Fraser would work better in a wide position than McGinn or McLean? Knew the lack of natural width was a problem but Armstrong is more of a right sided player and I think that Christie edges it based on his form for Celtic in Europe this season. Perhaps the Celtic supporters on here are more capable of making a comparison. Fraser to be honest isn't playing nearly as well as last season and even if he was he doesn't fit into my view that we need 10 players that can win the ball and help defend. I wanted to create a team with a lot steel, hence no Forrest or Fraser. Bring them both on after 72 minutes when we are 1-0 down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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