dohadeer Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, The_Dark_Knight said: No odds, I'm not a bookmaker. Original terms or nothing. We both agree that Scotland don't have a 50% chance of qualifying, yes? I thought we were debating whether the chances were 20% or 0.002%? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: But you never explained away them labouring to a 2-1 win against Malta? I could run through tonnes of matches in international football where supposed stronger teams have struggled against lesser teams or sometimes have even drawn or lost. That is evidence in itself that Scotland has far more than the chances Dark Knight is giving us. Do not get me wrong I think we will probably just miss out in the final but Dark Knight is very clearly on the wind-up with his so called 0.0002% chance. Â Â That's why it's better to look at the rankings instead of judging based on one match. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dohadeer Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, The_Dark_Knight said: Well, the lad has made a claim, let's see whether or not he can back it up. I can back up my claim. Scotland have a better chance of qualifying than 0.002%. Show me odds which give me profit if we qualify 0.02%, or 0.2%, or 2%, or 10% of the time, and I will place £1,000 on us qualifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, dohadeer said: I can back up my claim. Scotland have a better chance of qualifying than 0.002%. Show me odds which give me profit if we qualify 0.02%, or 0.2%, or 2%, or 10% of the time, and I will place £1,000 on us qualifying. This is a great deal for you TDK. He's basically offering you free money, since you know Scotland will absolutely not qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Orraloon said: That's why it's better to look at the rankings instead of judging based on one match.  Even rankings do not ordain what a result will be in an international football match. I would hazard a guess that during every round of Euro Qualifiers a lesser ranked team has beaten a higher ranked team. Edited November 20, 2019 by Caledonian Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, dohadeer said: I can back up my claim. Scotland have a better chance of qualifying than 0.002%. Show me odds which give me profit if we qualify 0.02%, or 0.2%, or 2%, or 10% of the time, and I will place £1,000 on us qualifying. Hold on a minute. When i asked you about eight hours ago to give me the odds of Scotland winning the final, you claimed that you didn't know how to quantify such odds. Now, as f by magic, you're saying that we have a 20% shot. Explain how you got to those odds. And no. It's £1k v £1k. Take it or leave it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: But you never explained away them labouring to a 2-1 win against Malta? I could run through tonnes of matches in international football where supposed stronger teams have struggled against lesser teams or sometimes have even drawn or lost. That is evidence in itself that Scotland has far more than the chances Dark Knight is giving us. Do not get me wrong I think we will probably just miss out in the final but Dark Knight is very clearly on the wind-up with his so called 0.0002% chance. Â Â I take no interest in what that troll says. I suggest you should do the same. His only reason for being on here is to wind folk up and it would seem that he is doing a good job of it. Your post implied that because Norway failed to beat Romania twice, that should mean it's more likely that we could beat them. If you look at it properly Norway avoided defeat twice against a Romania team that are ranked 25 places above them. For me, that is something we should be concerned about and not something to provide optimism. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, Orraloon said: I take no interest in what that troll says. I suggest you should do the same. His only reason for being on here is to wind folk up and it would seem that he is doing a good job of it. Your post implied that because Norway failed to beat Romania twice, that should mean it's more likely that we could beat them. If you look at it properly Norway avoided defeat twice against a Romania team that are ranked 25 places above them. For me, that is something we should be concerned about and not something to provide optimism. Â There is always reason for optimism somewhere. Malta 1 Norway 2. I know we have fallen far but I would certainly say we are better than Malta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, mrniaboc said: This is a great deal for you TDK. He's basically offering you free money, since you know Scotland will absolutely not qualify. Didn't you claim to be "done"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, The_Dark_Knight said: Didn't you claim to be "done"? Weren't you banned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, mrniaboc said: Weren't you banned? No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, The_Dark_Knight said: No? 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dohadeer Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, The_Dark_Knight said: Hold on a minute. When i asked you about eight hours ago to give me the odds of Scotland winning the final, you claimed that you didn't know how to quantify such odds. Now, as f by magic, you're saying that we have a 20% shot. Explain how you got to those odds. And no. It's £1k v £1k. Take it or leave it. I didn’t claim that I don’t know how to quantify them. I DO know how to quantify them. I asked you how to calculate the odds, because I wanted to hear your explanation. We are not debating whether Scotland have a 50/50 chance of qualifying. You know that. We are debating 1 in 5 chance versus 1 in 50,000 chance. The odds which are in the middle of that debate are 500/1. Those are the odds which solve debate, as any other poster on here will confirm. Let me know the maximum bet you will allow me at those odds. Your original claim of 50,000 to 1 will clearly be proved to be a lie, if you are unwilling to be handed money on us qualifying, at odds of 500/1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 I actually made a good earlier. In this thread people have said that I'm a time traveller, because i can "predict the future", someone has went on a mad rage, citing odds as the reason, someone also said I've lost my mind. Now I've been called a Troll and i was banned, for some reason. Also that I'm an attention seeker. If anyone thinks one, or more, of the above are true, kindly do us both a favour and put me on " ignore". Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, dohadeer said: I didn’t claim that I don’t know how to quantify them. I DO know how to quantify them. I asked you how to calculate the odds, because I wanted to hear your explanation. We are not debating whether Scotland have a 50/50 chance of qualifying. You know that. We are debating 1 in 5 chance versus 1 in 50,000 chance. The odds which are in the middle of that debate are 500/1. Those are the odds which solve debate, as any other poster on here will confirm. Let me know the maximum bet you will allow me at those odds. Your original claim of 50,000 to 1 will clearly be proved to be a lie, if you are unwilling to be handed money on us qualifying, at odds of 500/1. Either you want to want to make the bet or you don't. It's not a difficult one. Winner takes all, and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, mrniaboc said: 😂 Ok? Put me on ignore as you're obviously (i don't like calling people Trolls, as it's too simplicity) not adding to the conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dohadeer Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, The_Dark_Knight said: Either you want to want to make the bet or you don't. It's not a difficult one. Winner takes all, and all that. So you will offer the 500/1 which meets half way in between our opinions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, The_Dark_Knight said: Ok? Put me on ignore as you're obviously (i don't like calling people Trolls, as it's too simplicity) not adding to the conversation. I was contributing to the conversation and then you interjected to ask me about being done. Perhaps you should put me on ignore if you don't like my contributions? I'm not one to ignore people just because I don't like what they have to say. Also, I'd miss this banter we have. Edited November 20, 2019 by mrniaboc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, dohadeer said: So you will offer the 500/1 which meets half way in between our opinions? Are you not getting this? Ok. There's a pot containing £2k. The winner wins it. No odds. No bookies. No variables. Just old fashioned winner takes all. Yes or not? Last time i'm going to offer it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, mrniaboc said: I'm not one to ignore people just because I don't like what they have to say. Also, I'd miss this banter we have. Yes. I'd miss it like syphilis... And no, I don't put people on ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dohadeer Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, The_Dark_Knight said: Are you not getting this? Ok. There's a pot containing £2k. The winner wins it. No odds. No bookies. No variables. Just old fashioned winner takes all. Yes or not? Last time i'm going to offer it. Stop changing the subject. We are not debating 50/50. We agree on 50/50. That is a non-existent debate.  We are debating 20% vs. 0.002%. Will you offer the 500/1 odds which solve that debate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, The_Dark_Knight said: Yes. I'd miss it like syphilis... And no, I don't put people on ignore. You had syphilis?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, dohadeer said: Stop changing the subject. We are not debating 50/50. We agree on 50/50. That is a non-existent debate.  We are debating 20% vs. 0.002%. Will you offer the 500/1 odds which solve that debate? I'll take that as a solid "no" Wow. Ok. At least i was willing to put my money where my mouth is. You must think Scotland have zero chance, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, mrniaboc said: You had syphilis?! That's my pet name for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 This conversation is classic TDK. Hats off to you sir. "I understand Munchhausens Trilemma. Betting odds and value? No sorry, that's too complicated for me." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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