General Election 2019

[phart]

11 minutes ago, AlfieMoon said:

Can’t see the SNP getting as many as 55. Though if they get even close to 50 there are some people (like wings) who have been highly critical of SNP for the past 3 years who will need to eat their words. 

I don't read wings but what was posted on here his main criticism was not securing a deal to get an independene referendum in exchange for not voting to stop brexit. Now Brexit is going to ostensibly go ahead (accuuracy of exit poll dependent) due to Tory majority anyway but in this scenario we've not negotiated a referendum.

Which is what seems to be happening. Winning 55 seats is irrelevant in those terms.

[ParisInAKilt]

Even the BBC’s map of the UK on the floor has Scotland absolutely tiny, they just can’t help themselves 

Edited December 12, 2019 by ParisInAKilt

[exile]

11 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

He looked absolutely deflated. 

Least wait until the result is in before asking him to step down. 

The bbc coverage is very much going with a solid majority 

They really are treating it as if assuming it's all over. There could be a lot of egg on face and humble pie.

I won't be convinced until we until we see the first Scottish marginal where we see if Labour and Lib Dem tactical vote went to Tory to keep SNP out, or vice versa. 

[Dave78]

1 minute ago, ParisInAKilt said:

Even the BBC’s map of the UK on the floor has Scotland absolutely tiny, they just can’t help themselves 

You're joking?

I love when they show those maps. They demonstrate Scotland's democratic deficit perfectly.

[AlfieMoon]

1 minute ago, phart said:

I don't read wings but what was posted on here his main criticism was not securing a deal to get an independene referendum in exchange for not voting to stop brexit. Now Brexit is going to ostensibly go ahead (accuuracy of exit poll dependent) due to Tory majority anyway but in this scenario we've not negotiated a referendum.

Which is what seems to be happening. Winning 55 seats is irrelevant in those terms.

If SNP had enabled Brexit they would have lost the middle ground voters they are fighting over - both in elections and in a future independence ref. 

Their justification for material change of circumstance wouldn’t have stood up to scrutiny when they were the ones that enable it - all for their ‘obsession with independence’. It’s not difficult to see the narrative that would be practiced. 

This way they show that they have done literally everything they can to stop Brexit. People have voted for them. 

Tory majority is not what Scotland wants. 

Labour are crushed despite radical policy that Scotland would ideally love. It crystallises that England/UK will not vote for a radical left-wing government. The only way Labour have any future chance in England is by moving drastically to right. 

All of that demonstrates the clear divergence between Scottish and English/UK politics. It’s unsustainable. 

Obviously the difficulty is now getting a s30 from the Tories but the more they say no, the more Indy support goes up surely and somethings got to give. 

[Dave78]

1 minute ago, AlfieMoon said:

 

Obviously the difficulty is now getting a s30 from the Tories but the more they say no, the more Indy support goes up surely and somethings got to give. 

The court battle is going to be interesting.

[ParisInAKilt]

2 minutes ago, Dave78 said:

You're joking?

I love when they show those maps. They demonstrate Scotland's democratic deficit perfectly.

She could have did the splits and covered Scotland, while it takes 1 minute to walk across England 😂

[Dave78]

Just now, ParisInAKilt said:

She could have did the splits and covered Scotland, while it takes 1 minute to walk across England 😂

Well, of course. It's a map of seats, as opposed to geographic area.

It accurately shows how little power Scotland has. We might have half of Britain's geographic area, but we have 9% of the political power.

[phart]

7 minutes ago, AlfieMoon said:

If SNP had enabled Brexit they would have lost the middle ground voters they are fighting over - both in elections and in a future independence ref. 

Their justification for material change of circumstance wouldn’t have stood up to scrutiny when they were the ones that enable it - all for their ‘obsession with independence’. It’s not difficult to see the narrative that would be practiced. 

This way they show that they have done literally everything they can to stop Brexit. People have voted for them. 

Tory majority is not what Scotland wants. 

Labour are crushed despite radical policy that Scotland would ideally love. It crystallises that England/UK will not vote for a radical left-wing government. The only way Labour have any future chance in England is by moving drastically to right. 

All of that demonstrates the clear divergence between Scottish and English/UK politics. It’s unsustainable. 

Obviously the difficulty is now getting a s30 from the Tories but the more they say no, the more Indy support goes up surely and somethings got to give. 

and by doing everything they can to stop brexit they enable the establishment to do everything they can to stop an indy ref even if the vote comes in Yes.

We'll see how it plays out.

[Grim Jim]

4 minutes ago, Dave78 said:

Well, of course. It's a map of seats, as opposed to geographic area.

It accurately shows how little power Scotland has. We might have half of Britain's geographic area, but we have 9% of the political power.

32% actually, but still substantial.   Not counting the seas, mind you.

[ParisInAKilt]

Andrew Neil and Farage, don’t think my screen can handle the levels of narcissism 

“thank you for coming in Nigel”

oh fuck off 

[Dave78]

9 minutes ago, Grim Jim said:

32% actually, but still substantial.   Not counting the seas, mind you.

Fair enough. I suppose i really mean compared to the geographic area of England. Must be about eekies?

[shunkyboy and the fluffer]

56 minutes ago, Pocketrocketman1888 said:

No bother mate am off down south if the natz get their way here eventually 

Bomber Brown?

[exile]

21 minutes ago, Dave78 said:

Well, of course. It's a map of seats, as opposed to geographic area.

It accurately shows how little power Scotland has. We might have half of Britain's geographic area, but we have 9% of the political power.

Exactly this. 

[Pocketrocketman1888]

4 minutes ago, exile said:

Exactly this. 

Does that mean that Greenland should be a bigger player in the world stage 

vote Pinghu

[Dave78]

1 minute ago, Pocketrocketman1888 said:

Does that mean that Greenland should be a bigger player in the world stage 

 

No, the map just helps dispel any false impression given by the relative geographic size of Scotland to England.

[exile]

That Tomkins guy on Radio Scotland, can you believe it, he just said, SNP's main objectives were to Stop Brexit and lock Boris Johnson out of Downing St, so they failed on both counts!  Aye right. 

[TDYER63]

I am away to bed. I am too nervous. If SNP get close to 50 seats I am wearing 2 odd sparkly shoes to my Christmas Party night tomorrow 🤞

[Dave78]

Channel 4 political correspondent (what's his name again... Gibbon?) just said that the people that did the exit poll are releasing individual seat data. They say there's a 95% chance the SNP have taken Jo Swinson's seat.

Can't go to bed till i see that result. 

[phart]

1 minute ago, exile said:

That Tomkins guy on Radio Scotland, can you believe it, he just said, SNP's main objectives were to Stop Brexit and lock Boris Johnson out of Downing St, so they failed on both counts!  Aye right. 

here's the leaflet i got

[Pocketrocketman1888]

5 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

I am away to bed. I am too nervous. If SNP get close to 50 seats I am wearing 2 odd sparkly shoes to my Christmas Party night tomorrow 🤞

DianeAbbots other set?

[Dave78]

5 minutes ago, phart said:

here's the leaflet i got

Tomkins kind of has a point in that indyref2 wasn't explicitly mentioned. It's coded behind 'future in Scotland's hands', and 'right to choose a different path'.

But even the dogs in the street know that a vote for the SNP also meant a vote for indyref2.

Edited December 12, 2019 by Dave78

[Pocketrocketman1888]

Just settling into my armchair with UJ duvet ; lots of tins to keep me going before  transition in to the brandy. no work tomorrow so looking forward to a good night tv viewing

cheers fellas !

[aaid]

7 minutes ago, Dave78 said:

Tomkins kind of has a point in that indyref2 wasn't explicitly mentioned. It's coded behind 'future in Scotland's hands', and 'right to choose a different path'.

But even the dogs in the street know that a vote for the SNP also meant a vote for indyref2.

It's hardly coded.

[AlfieMoon]

6 minutes ago, Dave78 said:

Tomkins kind of has a point in that indyref2 wasn't explicitly mentioned. It's coded behind 'future in Scotland's hands', and 'right to choose a different path'.

But even the dogs in the street know that a vote for the SNP also meant a vote for indyref2.

Yep - SNP has multiple themes. One of which was quite blatantly for indyref2. Even Scottish Labour on the tv panels are accepting that.

Here’s the front page of the differentiated manifesto that the Tories ran for Scotland btw...