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14 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

Is there any truth in the Labour/SNP tactical voting ?  That to me is as unlikely as Swinson resigning at this point given Scotland In Union is urging voters in all marginal seats to get behind the main opposition to the SNP. 
Would be good of true right enough. 

 

There's a very good chance although I'm not saying it will happen.   If you think about it from a Labour perspective, it makes perfect sense to vote for the SNP here as there's no chance they'll win. 

Swinson has repeatedly said that there's no chance she'd work with Corbyn whereas Sturgeon has consistently said she would subject to...   

From the tables that were published last week in that YouGov model, the SNP were about 5 points behind, Greens were on that and there was still around 12% or so for Labour.   

If you're a Corbyn supporter you could be tempted to vote SNP, if you're a more "traditional" Scottish Labour voter, you probably won't.

Interesting though that Owen Jones was in the constituency yesterday and met up with the SNP candidate.

https://twitter.com/AmyCallaghanSNP/status/1201525327899570178?s=20
 

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1 hour ago, aaid said:

There's a very good chance although I'm not saying it will happen.   If you think about it from a Labour perspective, it makes perfect sense to vote for the SNP here as there's no chance they'll win. 

Swinson has repeatedly said that there's no chance she'd work with Corbyn whereas Sturgeon has consistently said she would subject to...   

From the tables that were published last week in that YouGov model, the SNP were about 5 points behind, Greens were on that and there was still around 12% or so for Labour.   

If you're a Corbyn supporter you could be tempted to vote SNP, if you're a more "traditional" Scottish Labour voter, you probably won't.

Interesting though that Owen Jones was in the constituency yesterday and met up with the SNP candidate.

https://twitter.com/AmyCallaghanSNP/status/1201525327899570178?s=20
 

That’s true, I am guilty of viewing it from an independence only perspective when in fact its mainly about the election and beating the Tories in the first instance. 

I know I am being naive and  you need to play the tactical game for longer term gain but all this fake support does not sit well with me. 

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3 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

That’s true, I am guilty of viewing it from an independence only perspective when in fact its mainly about the election and beating the Tories in the first instance. 

I know I am being naive and  you need to play the tactical game for longer term gain but all this fake support does not sit well with me. 

I'm not convinced that there are enough people left in Scottish Labour who can get past their rabid hatred of the SNP above everything else to make it work.   Voters might be another matter though.

 

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I've been trying to get a handle on everything, and to be honest it's impossible, you have to fact check every newspaper article. There is huge swathes of shit information that you have to read to find out it's shit. Economics becomes subjective depending on how much weight you put on things like "the market".

I'm straight up not competent/intelligent enough to sift through this and make informed decisions and predictions with any degree of confidence they will be accurate. For instance the IEA is ran by big tobacco and has links to Tories to know this you have to read the British Medical Journal or hope you caught the brief coverage by looking specifically for it.

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I'm not hugely knowledgeable about politics but it does interest me - I can understand the Scottish Tories dislike of the SNP but I don't understand some sections of Scottish Labours absolute hatred of the SNP - any historical / religous reasons for this ??

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In the summer Johnson raised the most money ever by a british politician campaigning to lead their political party. 
In the first 2 weeks of this election, the Conservatives have smashed the record for donations raising £ 8.6 mio compared to Labours £3.7 mio , most of Labours funding came from Unite. Brexit Party has raised £2.25 mio. 
Total for all parties is £15.6 mio so effectively a total of  £1mio raised between all the other parties combined.  

Depressing. 

 

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59 minutes ago, glasgow jock said:

I'm not hugely knowledgeable about politics but it does interest me - I can understand the Scottish Tories dislike of the SNP but I don't understand some sections of Scottish Labours absolute hatred of the SNP - any historical / religous reasons for this ??

The British Labour Party is every bit Unionist and Establishment as the Tories.

There is also a "socialism facade" in that the whole UK should have socialist policies and to deliver that they need the cash cow of Scotland.

No Labour Government has or ever will make this socialist facade a reality - including under Corbyn - because of sentence 1

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1 hour ago, glasgow jock said:

I'm not hugely knowledgeable about politics but it does interest me - I can understand the Scottish Tories dislike of the SNP but I don't understand some sections of Scottish Labours absolute hatred of the SNP - any historical / religous reasons for this ??

Scottish Labour believe that  Scotlands working class 'belongs' to them, they still live in a world of two party politics, its them or the Tories. This upstart party called the SNP have taken their voters, taken their position on the political spectrum, and they simply cant stand it. Because of this, they utterly despise the SNP, and would rather live under Tory policies that they disagree with, than under SNP policies that they agree with.

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Just look at the loathsome cunt that is George twat-in-the-hat Galloway. Opposed independence for Scotland as he was an international socialist whatever the fuck that means and then turned full on Billy Brit during BREXIT. Makes me glad he got his head kicked in. Ratbag.

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1 hour ago, glasgow jock said:

I'm not hugely knowledgeable about politics but it does interest me - I can understand the Scottish Tories dislike of the SNP but I don't understand some sections of Scottish Labours absolute hatred of the SNP - any historical / religous reasons for this ??

They see the SNP as an existential enemy for a couple of reasons.  The primary one is that their - Labour's - power emanates from the Westminster system and the SNP obviously threaten that.   The secondary one is that in recent years, the SNP has made huge inroads into Labour's "natural" support in Scotland and that's the source of a lot of tension between UK Labour - who know that they need to deal with the SNP at Westminster to have any chance - and Scottish Labour.

While Labour may have huge differences in policies and a world view from the Tories, they are both locked into a Westminster system that is designed to keep both parties as the dominant forces in UK Politics.  
 

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1 hour ago, kumnio said:

Scottish Labour believe that  Scotlands working class 'belongs' to them, they still live in a world of two party politics, its them or the Tories. This upstart party called the SNP have taken their voters, taken their position on the political spectrum, and they simply cant stand it. Because of this, they utterly despise the SNP, and would rather live under Tory policies that they disagree with, than under SNP policies that they agree with.

That's it in a nutshell.

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30 minutes ago, thplinth said:

Just look at the loathsome cunt that is George twat-in-the-hat Galloway. Opposed independence for Scotland as he was an international socialist whatever the fuck that means and then turned full on Billy Brit during BREXIT. Makes me glad he got his head kicked in. Ratbag.

Im still of the opinion that Galloway doesn't care about anything or anyone, other than himself. He would align himself with whatever he thought would get him the most success, whatever that means to him. He is nothing but a self serving lying bastard.

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Denise Findlay has been made to resign from the SNP

She tweeted that comparing Israel = Nazi was not anti semitism and aforesaid tweets were given to C4

She also donated, as have many others, to Neale Hanvey's crowdfunder after the SNP withdrew support

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2 hours ago, thplinth said:

Just look at the loathsome cunt that is George twat-in-the-hat Galloway. Opposed independence for Scotland as he was an international socialist whatever the fuck that means and then turned full on Billy Brit during BREXIT. Makes me glad he got his head kicked in. Ratbag.

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13 minutes ago, exile said:

I see Wings is calling for Nicola Sturgeon to resign, one week out from a General Election

Hmm

It seems to be more to do with his strange obsession over gender status and things like that. In fact he seems more interested in that than independence these days.

I used to read his stuff every day. Haven't done so for about two years, he's went completely nuts. Ignore him.

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1 hour ago, exile said:

I see Wings is calling for Nicola Sturgeon to resign, one week out from a General Election

Hmm

 

4 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

Denise Findlay has been made to resign from the SNP

She tweeted that comparing Israel = Nazi was not anti semitism and aforesaid tweets were given to C4

She also donated, as have many others, to Neale Hanvey's crowdfunder after the SNP withdrew support

People need to get off Twitter and get out more. 

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1 hour ago, ErsatzThistle said:

It seems to be more to do with his strange obsession over gender status and things like that. In fact he seems more interested in that than independence these days.

I used to read his stuff every day. Haven't done so for about two years, he's went completely nuts. Ignore him.

Was it a strange obsession when he spoke about independence every day for years?

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1 hour ago, ErsatzThistle said:

It seems to be more to do with his strange obsession over gender status and things like that. In fact he seems more interested in that than independence these days.

I used to read his stuff every day. Haven't done so for about two years, he's went completely nuts. Ignore him.

Yes, not worth wasting energy on. 

 

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