albathebrave Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 On 10/1/2019 at 3:52 PM, ErsatzThistle said: Aye, sack the manager after just four games, two of which were against one the very best sides in the world. Cracking logic Clarke will get it right. Wish he would show a glimmer of getting it right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) As pointless as this win was (bar McGinn hopefully feeling more at home at international level) it does mean avoid defeat in Cyprus (Russia knocked 4 past them) and 3rd place should be secured. Under 2016 qualifying that would've meant a two legged play off. If McLeish had stayed in I'm not convinced he'd have even managed 3rd in the group e.g. 1-1 draw with Cyprus instead of the late win so would cut Clarke some slack for that if he does achieve it. The average finishing position for Scotland in qualifying groups is usually 4th over last decade. Edited October 13, 2019 by Tartan Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 As pleased as I am for Clarke I'm not sure that game tells us anything at all. The next two games should be more enlightening 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I think this game told us, that the players care and they are obviously playing for the jersey. Very difficult conditions coming in to a game that no one fancied really after 4 back-to-back hidings. I've probably been on repeat throughout the board, but let's move forward and on. Yes, we will need a lot of luck and to improve tenfold if we are to get through the playoffs ; but if we can somehow muster up couple more wins (I'd even take a good performance but only a point in Nicosia) and get the gears clicking before March. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, weekevie04 said: I think this game told us, that the players care and they are obviously playing for the jersey. Very difficult conditions coming in to a game that no one fancied really after 4 back-to-back hidings. I've probably been on repeat throughout the board, but let's move forward and on. Yes, we will need a lot of luck and to improve tenfold if we are to get through the playoffs ; but if we can somehow muster up couple more wins (I'd even take a good performance but only a point in Nicosia) and get the gears clicking before March. The only thing that would be of much use tonight would be ranking players on an "effortmeter" As usual it is easy to see who was playing for the Jersey the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 16 hours ago, Tartan Chris said: As pointless as this win was (bar McGinn hopefully feeling more at home at international level) it does mean avoid defeat in Cyprus (Russia knocked 4 past them) and 3rd place should be secured. Under 2016 qualifying that would've meant a two legged play off. If McLeish had stayed in I'm not convinced he'd have even managed 3rd in the group e.g. 1-1 draw with Cyprus instead of the late win so would cut Clarke some slack for that if he does achieve it. The average finishing position for Scotland in qualifying groups is usually 4th over last decade. You're just making stuff up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 17 hours ago, Tartan Chris said: As pointless as this win was (bar McGinn hopefully feeling more at home at international level) it does mean avoid defeat in Cyprus (Russia knocked 4 past them) and 3rd place should be secured. You appear to be taking a victory against Kazakhstan at Hampden for granted. Winning in Cyprus would almost guarantee third place as long as we don’t lose to Kazakhstan but if we draw our last two games we’ll finish fourth (assuming Kazakhstan win in San Marino and Belgium beat Cyprus). Russia won 0-5 last night but they only beat Cyprus 1-0 at home. They also pumped us 4-0 last week. I don’t think we can use their victory last night to assume we won’t lose in Cyprus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ger intae them Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 18 hours ago, ceudmilefailte said: As usual it is easy to see who was playing for the Jersey the most. What!? ...... they were playing for the Scotland 😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 19 hours ago, Tartan Chris said: it does mean avoid defeat in Cyprus (Russia knocked 4 past them) and 3rd place should be secured. We haven't beaten Kazakhstan yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 27 minutes ago, ger intae them said: ha ......he Scotland 😜 Oi quoting half my post is cheating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ger intae them Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Poetic post licence..... or fake news? to be honest it was the capital ‘J’ that did it 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Texas Pete said: You appear to be taking a victory against Kazakhstan at Hampden for granted. Winning in Cyprus would almost guarantee third place as long as we don’t lose to Kazakhstan but if we draw our last two games we’ll finish fourth (assuming Kazakhstan win in San Marino and Belgium beat Cyprus). Russia won 0-5 last night but they only beat Cyprus 1-0 at home. They also pumped us 4-0 last week. I don’t think we can use their victory last night to assume we won’t lose in Cyprus. I think I've said consistantly since draw was made Cyprus could easily be a Georgia style banana skin away tie particularly if there are numerous call offs. It wouldn't shock me at all if that is a draw or even worse. Yes I would expect to beat Kazakhstan at home. Edit: The point I was trying to make is after the horrific first game I can't remember too many on here expecting to finish 3rd so Clarke would do o.k to at least salvage that if he can take 4 points from last two games. Edited October 14, 2019 by Tartan Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, Tartan Chris said: I think I've said consistantly since draw was made Cyprus could easily be a Georgia style banana skin away tie particularly if there are numerous call offs. It wouldn't shock me at all if that is a draw or even worse. Yes I would expect to beat Kazakhstan at home. Edit: The point I was trying to make is after the horrific first game I can't remember too many on here expecting to finish 3rd so Clarke would do o.k to at least salvage that if he can take 4 points from last two games. Fair enough but I wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t beat Kazakhstan. Would be good to end the campaign on a high with two victories though. It would give us such much needed confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infamous Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 13 hours ago, Texas Pete said: You appear to be taking a victory against Kazakhstan at Hampden for granted. Winning in Cyprus would almost guarantee third place as long as we don’t lose to Kazakhstan but if we draw our last two games we’ll finish fourth (assuming Kazakhstan win in San Marino and Belgium beat Cyprus). Russia won 0-5 last night but they only beat Cyprus 1-0 at home. They also pumped us 4-0 last week. I don’t think we can use their victory last night to assume we won’t lose in Cyprus. Agree, but the Russians should have won 4 or 5 nil in the home game with Cyprus, they were woeful with finishing chances. I remember there was a thread here and the stats showed Russia had close to 30 shots on goal and 1 goal. I'm not sure how we will go with Cyprus, Cyprus now have nothing to play for given they have been eliminated. We are building for the play offs and should be more motivated for the remaining games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infamous Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Texas Pete said: Fair enough but I wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t beat Kazakhstan. Would be good to end the campaign on a high with two victories though. It would give us such much needed confidence. The Kazakhs have proven to be tough to break down. I do feel though we will be the only motivated side in these matches and should really be hoping for wins. Not sure though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Clarke has won the two games he's been expected to win, lost the three games he's been expected to lose, and his only other match was a disappointment against a good team. Let's see what he does with the next four games before really starting to question his management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 9 hours ago, mrniaboc said: Clarke has won the two games he's been expected to win, lost the three games he's been expected to lose, and his only other match was a disappointment against a good team. Let's see what he does with the next four games before really starting to question his management. Clarke has won the two games he was expected to win (just) Lost the three games he's been expected to lose (embarrassingly) and his only other match was a massive disappointment against a good team. Let's see what he does with the next four games before really starting to question his management., I'll give you that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 23 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Clarke has won the two games he was expected to win (just) Lost the three games he's been expected to lose (embarrassingly) and his only other match was a massive disappointment against a good team. Let's see what he does with the next four games before really starting to question his management., I'll give you that one We were hardly embarrassed in Belgium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 24 minutes ago, Texas Pete said: We were hardly embarrassed in Belgium. We should be beating teams like them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jailender Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 I see on the BBC that Gary Caldwell saying that he is better suited to manage Scotland than he was to manage Partick, as he played 55 times for Scotland, but never played in the Chapionship !!!🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 40 minutes ago, jailender said: I see on the BBC that Gary Caldwell saying that he is better suited to manage Scotland than he was to manage Partick, as he played 55 times for Scotland, but never played in the Championship !!!🤔 The lying bugger. He played a couple of games for Wigan in the Championship near at the end of his time there. And as a young player, he also played on loan for Derby and Coventry in what used to be Division One but which is now the Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 51 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: The lying bugger. He played a couple of games for Wigan in the Championship near at the end of his time there. And as a young player, he also played on loan for Derby and Coventry in what used to be Division One but which is now the Championship. Good chance he meant the Scottish Championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 21 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Good chance he meant the Scottish Championship His loan spell at Darlington when they played in the English fourth tier isn't far from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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