glasgow jock Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Tragically passed away 34 years ago today - here is our team that played against Wales that night - got me thinking if any of our current lot would even get into that squad - I can't think of anyone (perhaps Andy Robertson on the bench) ???? Scotland GK 1 Jim Leighton (Aberdeen) 46' DF 2 Richard Gough (Dundee United) DF 3 Maurice Malpas (Dundee United) DF 4 Roy Aitken (Celtic) DF 5 Alex McLeish (Aberdeen) 3' DF 6 Willie Miller (c) (Aberdeen) MF 7 Steve Nicol (Liverpool) MF 8 Gordon Strachan (Manchester United) 61' MF 10 Jim Bett (Aberdeen) CF 9 Graeme Sharp (Everton) CF 11 David Speedie (Chelsea) Substitutes: GK 12 Alan Rough (Hibernian) 46' DF 14 Paul McStay (Celtic) MF 16 Davie Cooper (Rangers) 61' CF 15 Andy Gray (Aston Villa) Manager: Jock Stein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Certainly different quality but we still made it hard work even in those days! Thanks for the reminder about Big Jock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Let's not forget how utterly rank Graeme Sharp was for Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, aaid said: Let's not forget how utterly rank Graeme Sharp was for Scotland. Given the quality of players we had at our disposal for three or more decades it could be argued we consistently under performed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviebee Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 17 minutes ago, aaid said: Let's not forget how utterly rank Graeme Sharp was for Scotland. That's probably the most misnamed forward line we've ever had! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 21 minutes ago, Hertsscot said: Given the quality of players we had at our disposal for three or more decades it could be argued we consistently under performed. Graeme Sharp was still rank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow jock Posted September 11, 2019 Author Share Posted September 11, 2019 15 hours ago, aaid said: Let's not forget how utterly rank Graeme Sharp was for Scotland. Aye he was indeed - think our better forwards at the time must have been injured, Charlie Nicholas (who should have been an all time great for us), Mo Johnstone, Frank McAvenie etc, who where way better than Sharp & Speedie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 3 hours ago, glasgow jock said: Aye he was indeed - think our better forwards at the time must have been injured, Charlie Nicholas (who should have been an all time great for us), Mo Johnstone, Frank McAvenie etc, who where way better than Sharp & Speedie Nicholas was basically being a waster at Arsenal at that time. McAvennie had only just moved to West Ham, Mo Johnston was only just breaking into the Scotland team, so for both of them, their peak years were still to come. Stein's preference at this time was for Sharp - who was leading the line for a very good Everton side and the equally unimpressive Steve Archibald. Both these guys did well for their clubs but were completely unimpressive for Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow jock Posted September 11, 2019 Author Share Posted September 11, 2019 35 minutes ago, aaid said: Nicholas was basically being a waster at Arsenal at that time. McAvennie had only just moved to West Ham, Mo Johnston was only just breaking into the Scotland team, so for both of them, their peak years were still to come. Stein's preference at this time was for Sharp - who was leading the line for a very good Everton side and the equally unimpressive Steve Archibald. Both these guys did well for their clubs but were completely unimpressive for Scotland. Again I agree - although the year prior to this game (Scotland v Spain WCQF Nov 1984) Mo Johnstone had already been capped and scored twice that night against Spain - oh to have that depth of talent again eh ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, glasgow jock said: Again I agree - although the year prior to this game (Scotland v Spain WCQF Nov 1984) Mo Johnstone had already been capped and scored twice that night against Spain - oh to have that depth of talent again eh ?? Not going to disagree with your last point although I'd say that if you want to look at a period when we had real world class talent and underachieved, I'd look at the 1960s rather than the 1980s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Beem Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 20 hours ago, glasgow jock said: Tragically passed away 34 years ago today - here is our team that played against Wales that night - got me thinking if any of our current lot would even get into that squad - I can't think of anyone (perhaps Andy Robertson on the bench) ???? Scotland GK 1 Jim Leighton (Aberdeen) 46' DF 2 Richard Gough (Dundee United) DF 3 Maurice Malpas (Dundee United) DF 4 Roy Aitken (Celtic) DF 5 Alex McLeish (Aberdeen) 3' DF 6 Willie Miller (c) (Aberdeen) MF 7 Steve Nicol (Liverpool) MF 8 Gordon Strachan (Manchester United) 61' MF 10 Jim Bett (Aberdeen) CF 9 Graeme Sharp (Everton) CF 11 David Speedie (Chelsea) Substitutes: GK 12 Alan Rough (Hibernian) 46' DF 14 Paul McStay (Celtic) MF 16 Davie Cooper (Rangers) 61' CF 15 Andy Gray (Aston Villa) Manager: Jock Stein Look at that bench. 😂 Sums up the quite ridiculous slide. ☹️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 6 hours ago, Jim Beem said: Look at that bench. 😂 Sums up the quite ridiculous slide. ☹️ Tbh that was a pretty woeful side that struggled badly to Wales ; both games iceland away was shocking/lucky spain away not at the races australia heavy weather v rank team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Auchinyell Sox Change said: Tbh that was a pretty woeful side that struggled badly to Wales ; both games iceland away was shocking/lucky spain away not at the races australia heavy weather v rank team Wales had a bloody good side back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 A 5-3-2, might give us the cover a 3-5-2 would expose currently. Again a pacy right wing back is our down fall, although James Forrest night be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Andy Robertson is better than basically everyone in that squad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Orraloon said: Wales had a bloody good side back then. Best forward line in europe likely v good keeper nicholas & phillips in midfield but thought had some dodgy defenders from memory; clayton blackmore then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviebee Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 50 minutes ago, ProudScot said: Andy Robertson is better than basically everyone in that squad He's really not. He wouldn't have got into that defence. If Malpas or Gough had been out then Steve Nicol (also a EC winner with Liverpool) would've covered for either with equal effectiveness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 20 minutes ago, daviebee said: He's really not. He wouldn't have got into that defence. If Malpas or Gough had been out then Steve Nicol (also a EC winner with Liverpool) would've covered for either with equal effectiveness. Yes Maurice Malpas was a world class player... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 38 minutes ago, daviebee said: He's really not. He wouldn't have got into that defence. If Malpas or Gough had been out then Steve Nicol (also a EC winner with Liverpool) would've covered for either with equal effectiveness. Malpas was a better player than Robertson has shown so far, IMO. Robertson might become a better player than Malpas but not yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 52 minutes ago, Auchinyell Sox Change said: Best forward line in europe likely v good keeper nicholas & phillips in midfield but thought had some dodgy defenders from memory; clayton blackmore then ? Ratcliffe and Van den Hauw were great players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Malpas was a better player than Robertson has shown so far, IMO. Robertson might become a better player than Malpas but not yet. I forgot that Malpas was coveted by Europe’s top clubs. Oh no wait, he wasn’t. Malpas was a good player in Scotland and for Scotland but was nothing like a top player. Nostalgia is a funny old thing. Edited September 11, 2019 by ProudScot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviebee Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, ProudScot said: I forgot that Malpas was coveted by Europe’s top clubs. Oh no wait, he wasn’t. Malpas was a good player in Scotland and for Scotland but was nothing like a top player. Nostalgia is a funny old thing. MOTM against a star-studded Roma side in a EC semi-final when barely out of his 20's. And that was in centre midfield. In the return leg Italian WC winner Bruno Conti had to switch wings as Malpas didn't give him a kick of the ball. Aye he was nothing more than average that Malpas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 minute ago, daviebee said: MOTM against a star-studded Roma side in a EC semi-final when barely out of his 20's. And that was in centre midfield. In the return leg Italian WC winner Bruno Conti had to switch wings as Malpas didn't give him a kick of the ball. Aye he was nothing more than average that Malpas. I said he was good not average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 19 minutes ago, ProudScot said: I forgot that Malpas was coveted by Europe’s top clubs. Oh no wait, he wasn’t. Malpas was a good player in Scotland and for Scotland but was nothing like a top player. Nostalgia is a funny old thing. In those days Scottish clubs could hold onto their decent players as the financial gap was not as great as it is now. These days premiership and championship clubs can pick up SPL stars(Shinnie Armstrong etc) for loose change and stick them on the bench if even that. Wasn't it a European cup final Malpas would have played for Dundee Utd in but for a bribed ref Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Orraloon said: Ratcliffe and Van den Hauw were great players. yes but guy from huddersfield in defence too, think div 2 at least back then , and some other less than household names Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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