mrniaboc Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 hours ago, romanticscot said: Lets see what the dialogue is with Steven Fletcher, I'd have him over McBurnie in this squad. I'd like to see both of them in the squad. We have space for 4 strikers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) My 4 would be S Fletcher - if he is still willing to be called up, Steven Naismith, Griffiths and as something else from the bench - Oli Burke. I understand that may seem like a contradiction not wishing for McBurnie because he isn't starting and maybe not fully fit but given the choice of a wild card from the bench, I'm opting for Burke. My ultimate choice if he were getting game time is Jordan Rhodes. Edited August 21, 2019 by romanticscot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) Think squad will look a lot stronger than the last one (which is really encouraging) with recalls for the likes of Snodgrass, Fletcher, McBurnie and Griffiths (would also not be surprised if Ritchie creeps in, but given the form of our current wide men, most likely will not make it).... press have been saying that Clarke has been using the summer to chat with a couple of eligible players in England (given his contacts within English football, would not really surprise me) so might see a surprise or two, but all in all, if we can get everyone who pulled out of last couple of squads into one squad, actually a pretty tasty squad he is putting together. Edited August 21, 2019 by wanderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 6 hours ago, romanticscot said: My 4 would be S Fletcher - if he is still willing to be called up, Steven Naismith, Griffiths and as something else from the bench - Oli Burke. I understand that may seem like a contradiction not wishing for McBurnie because he isn't starting and maybe not fully fit but given the choice of a wild card from the bench, I'm opting for Burke. My ultimate choice if he were getting game time is Jordan Rhodes. My understanding is that McBurnie is fully fit and has come of the bench for a reasonable amount of time in 100% of Sheffield Utd matches so far this season. Chris Wilder is very deliberately easing new signings into the team, just like Klopp does at Liverpool and completely differently than Fulham did last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 The apathy towards McBurnie on here is kind of bizarre. Like I must be missing something? I don't think he's the answer to all our problems, but people are even considering not calling him up?! He's our most on-form striker, and he's playing at a higher level than any other striker we have. Is it because of his beard or something? Is it because he wasn't born on Scotland? Is it because he's failed to scored in the handful of games he's played for an absolutely manky Scotland team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, mrniaboc said: The apathy towards McBurnie on here is kind of bizarre. Like I must be missing something? I don't think he's the answer to all our problems, but people are even considering not calling him up?! He's our most on-form striker, and he's playing at a higher level than any other striker we have. Is it because of his beard or something? Is it because he wasn't born on Scotland? Is it because he's failed to scored in the handful of games he's played for an absolutely manky Scotland team? Think a lot of people base everything they know on him only upon his hand full of Scotland games. Yes he has not done anything in a Scotland shirt (would even argue same applies at U21 level) but what games he has played in, the team in general have played VERY badly, and he has found himself being the scapegoat as he is expected to get the goals. When you look at his stats at club level though, he is pretty much on a par with Jordan Rhodes when he was in his prime (this is what a lot of people miss out on, and to a degree explains his over inflated transfer fee to Sheffield), and no matter what anyone says, we are in no position to turn down a 20+ goals a season striker at Championship level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, wanderer said: Think a lot of people base everything they know on him only upon his hand full of Scotland games. Yes he has not done anything in a Scotland shirt (would even argue same applies at U21 level) but what games he has played in, the team in general have played VERY badly, and he has found himself being the scapegoat as he is expected to get the goals. When you look at his stats at club level though, he is pretty much on a par with Jordan Rhodes when he was in his prime (this is what a lot of people miss out on, and to a degree explains his over inflated transfer fee to Sheffield), and no matter what anyone says, we are in no position to turn down a 20+ goals a season striker at Championship level. Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I'm not for calling up McBurnie in this squad IF the other names I mentioned above are available not because He was not born in Scotland, not because of his beard, not because of his physical look or his lack of shin guards, because right now at this point in the season He has allot of pressure on his shoulders with the transfer fee, is not starting games, has been scoring in pre season or in the league, has not got any goals for Scotland YET, we have our biggest double header in a long time and need experience or a different approach for a sub if things are not going well - Oli Burke. His transfer fee is a discussion point but not enough of a case to call anyone up. I realise many will disagree, he may bag a brace at the weekend and the factors would change but just laying out my reasons for this double header alone currently. As I said earlier, I want him to succeed I like him, but I would pick my Scottish team mostly based on form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 3 hours ago, wanderer said: Think a lot of people base everything they know on him only upon his hand full of Scotland games. Yes he has not done anything in a Scotland shirt (would even argue same applies at U21 level) but what games he has played in, the team in general have played VERY badly, and he has found himself being the scapegoat as he is expected to get the goals. When you look at his stats at club level though, he is pretty much on a par with Jordan Rhodes when he was in his prime (this is what a lot of people miss out on, and to a degree explains his over inflated transfer fee to Sheffield), and no matter what anyone says, we are in no position to turn down a 20+ goals a season striker at Championship level. I've seen him for Scot Under 21s, the main Scotland team, Barnsley, Swansea and now Sheffield United. Not once have I went from the game saying "Wow, McBurnie" played well". He's a strange player. He looks like a target-man but he plays like a poacher. The predicament that Scotland find themselves in (lack of creativity) I would rather have a target-man, a striker that will hold the ball up and bring others into play, than a poacher. Saying that, though, I agree with you. The problem doesn't begin and end with McBurnie. The problems lays with generations of bad coaching and general apathy. I mean, we couldn't even qualify for anything when we had the likes of Darren Fletcher, Barry Ferguson, McFadden, Hutton, etc. The team of that era would probably dismantle the current team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 36 minutes ago, romanticscot said: I'm not for calling up McBurnie in this squad IF the other names I mentioned above are available not because He was not born in Scotland, not because of his beard, not because of his physical look or his lack of shin guards, because right now at this point in the season He has allot of pressure on his shoulders with the transfer fee, is not starting games, has been scoring in pre season or in the league, has not got any goals for Scotland YET, we have our biggest double header in a long time and need experience or a different approach for a sub if things are not going well - Oli Burke. His transfer fee is a discussion point but not enough of a case to call anyone up. I realise many will disagree, he may bag a brace at the weekend and the factors would change but just laying out my reasons for this double header alone currently. As I said earlier, I want him to succeed I like him, but I would pick my Scottish team mostly based on form. But, Burke hasn't even been starting games in the championship hahaha. McBurnie will score goals for Scotland, but he needs to be in the squad to do that I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I understand this and made some comments on Burke above, "hahaha" etc. Comparing two players who are not starting, I said one offers pace and something different and opted to give with him for now. I am all behind McBurnie and want him to get off the mark with Utd and see how he develops for us, He wouldn't be a starter for either games in my team, that would go to Steven Fletcher, so I am presenting my case to not have him in my squad TODAY, again as I said above if he grabs a goal or two, makes great contributions at the weekend then I'd likely change my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksburnDandy Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 At present, I'd like the squad to be: Keepers: Marshall, Gordon, Kelly Defenders: Robertson, Mulgrew, McKenna, Lindsay, Fredericks (if ready to declare), Paterson. Ideally would include Souttar and Tierney but not sure if either will be fit. Midfielders: Forrest, Fraser, McTominay, McGinn, Armstrong, Christie, McGregor, Fleck, Cairney, Snodgrass Strikers: Griffiths, Naismith, S.Fletcher, McBurnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 18 hours ago, mrniaboc said: Mate, you need to drop this 3 at the back nonsense. You could either be taking the piss or Chripper could’ve been prattling on about 3 at the back as per usual. Both are very plausible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) Be interesting to see if Griffiths starts tomorrow in Celtic's latest must win European tie. Forgot the Birthday card yesterday, 29 you were wasn't it? Edited August 21, 2019 by ceudmilefailte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 2 hours ago, ceudmilefailte said: Be interesting to see if Griffiths starts tomorrow in Celtic's latest must win European tie. Forgot the Birthday card yesterday, 29 you were wasn't it? Right, you don't want Griffiths called up because he's 29 now ............. But you do want to call up 32 year old Steven Fletcher (you named him on your preferred list of strikers yesterday) Logical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 3 hours ago, BucksburnDandy said: At present, I'd like the squad to be: Keepers: Marshall, Gordon, Kelly Defenders: Robertson, Mulgrew, McKenna, Lindsay, Fredericks (if ready to declare), Paterson. Ideally would include Souttar and Tierney but not sure if either will be fit. Midfielders: Forrest, Fraser, McTominay, McGinn, Armstrong, Christie, McGregor, Fleck, Cairney, Snodgrass Strikers: Griffiths, Naismith, S.Fletcher, McBurnie Struggling for centre back cover. Who else is there if anyone is injured? Hanley 🙈 I would imagine Kenny Maclean will be in the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, bigfingers said: Struggling for centre back cover. Who else is there if anyone is injured? Hanley 🙈 Commeth the hour cometh the Tokely ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 24 minutes ago, bigfingers said: Struggling for centre back cover. Who else is there if anyone is injured? Hanley 🙈 I would imagine Kenny Maclean will be in the squad. Liam Cooper is probably the best available, When you read about Clarke approaching players I would imagine he would have been one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Liam Cooper is probably the best available, When you read about Clarke approaching players I would imagine he would have been one. There is no need to "approach" Cooper. He's already been on the bench at least once before for Scotland and has played for us at youth level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csinclair Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 With Souttar injured it'll probably be a toss up between Berra or Cooper who replaces him. Also Taylor is a guarantee with no Tierney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csinclair Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Maybe Jack will get in for his versatility? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Just now, ErsatzThistle said: There is no need to "approach" Cooper. He's already been on the bench at least once before for Scotland and has played for us at youth level. I knew he had been in squads but was there not some sort of bust up with management along the way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: There is no need to "approach" Cooper. He's already been on the bench at least once before for Scotland and has played for us at youth level. According to Wiki he was called up twice for friendlies and didn't get on pitch once which is pretty poor. Dont quote me but it was suggested that he was called up for the friendly against the Netherlands when we didn't have a manager and he made some excuse not to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 21 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: According to Wiki he was called up twice for friendlies and didn't get on pitch once which is pretty poor. Dont quote me but it was suggested that he was called up for the friendly against the Netherlands when we didn't have a manager and he made some excuse not to go. Provide some proof of this "bust up" then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 16 hours ago, mrniaboc said: The apathy towards McBurnie on here is kind of bizarre. Like I must be missing something? I don't think he's the answer to all our problems, but people are even considering not calling him up?! He's our most on-form striker, and he's playing at a higher level than any other striker we have. Is it because of his beard or something? Is it because he wasn't born on Scotland? Is it because he's failed to scored in the handful of games he's played for an absolutely manky Scotland team? Yeh I don't rate him highly but he's gotta be in the squad at least. We don't have a plethora of strikers playing at epl or even English championship level so he has to be included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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