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On a lighter note my EX Mother in law correctly  sussed me as a rogue. A month after she died me and my buddy were travelling across Poland by train heading to Warsaw and as always on trips, card games and 10 cans of Beer helped kill time. Whilst playing Triumph we had to cut the cards numerous times and the number of times I cut the Queen of Diamonds was unnerving. She was the Queen of her family and a Diamond to them and maybe I was being told I was still being watched. My mate hated it as he never won the cut. Even now if I have a bad gambling run I think she is orchestrating it.

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On 6/30/2019 at 8:15 PM, Eisegerwind said:

Yes Scotty, well pointed out, think of it not so much as a friendly being watching over you in life  and more of a tortured wreck suffering unimaginable pain and terror in the bowels of hell for all eternity, very comforting I think you'll agree.

It's easy enough to avoid, but if you insist on defiantly, knowingly and willingly rejecting God's love, then you'll get the only alternative by default.

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6 hours ago, Scotty CTA said:

It's easy enough to avoid, but if you insist on defiantly, knowingly and willingly rejecting God's love, then you'll get the only alternative by default.

Just wondering like, since the begining of time what percentage of souls are enduring unimaginable pain,fear and terror of hell and how many souls are cossetted in God's undying love in heaven. I'm an engineer I like numbers. I just added that cause someone accused me of being a scientist at some point, pah.

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Firstly, since the Great White Throne judgement hasn't taken place, the people you refer to would be in Hades (and not the Lake of Fire... yet). 

And secondly, the percentage of people who will knowingly, willingly, reject God (by choosing 'the world' instead) will be a high percentage unfortunately.

“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. Matthew 7:13

"For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few." Matthew 7:14

Remember... this isn't God rejecting mankind. This is mankind rejecting God.

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2 hours ago, Scotty CTA said:

Firstly, since the Great White Throne judgement hasn't taken place, the people you refer to would be in Hades (and not the Lake of Fire... yet). 

And secondly, the percentage of people who will knowingly, willingly, reject God (by choosing 'the world' instead) will be a high percentage unfortunately.

“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. Matthew 7:13

"For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few." Matthew 7:14

Remember... this isn't God rejecting mankind. This is mankind rejecting God.

Is the pain ,fear,torture and terror going on in Hades for these souls or is it just a bit like a bus stop before the big white telephone judgement main deal.

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It's a hell... 'torment and anguish'.

Hades is the temporary hell, while the Lake of Fire is the permanent hell.

Luke 16:19-31 English Standard Version (ESV)

The Rich Man and Lazarus

19 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, 21 who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even

the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side.[a] The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. 2And he

called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercyon me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like

manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’ 27 And

he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house— 28 for I have five brothers—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, 

father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”

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This isn't really a life after death story however it's kinda linked and makes me smile when I think about it so I'm going to share it.   

I lost my Dad to cancer when I was 24, he was 54.  He spent his last few weeks at home and in the last day or so me, my Mum and brother were all round his bed usually taking it in turns to sit with him.  About an hour before he finally passed it was just me and him in the room and he was slipping in and out of consciousness.  At one point he woke up and grabbed my arm and with amazing clarity we'd not seen for months looked me straight in the eye and said "cupboard in the spare room, in a blue box there's something for you.  It's for you, not your brother as you need it more".

I was a bit perplexed and being honest thought it was the medication as he'd been prone to odd outbursts.  An hour later he was gone and it wasn't till the next day I remembered and curiosity got the better of me.  I went to the spare room, found the box and with trepidation opened it up wondering what I might find.  Would it be a comforting letter passing on his last words of advice?  Would it be a lump of cash he'd squirreled away to make sure I was alright when he was gone?  Or a piece of family heirloom jewellery passed down from father to son?

No.  It was an old musty 70s porno VHS!  My Dad's pretty much final act was to pass on his (well worn) copy of Big Bushes Vol II.  In hindsight the "you need it more than your brother comment" was clearly because I was single at the time while he had a girlfriend.  In some ways I find his parting gift more comforting than if he'd given me any of the above!  And if there is an afterlife, it kind of creeps me out that he might have been sitting there waiting to see if it got put to good use....

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On 6/30/2019 at 8:50 PM, exile said:

I don't have any ghostly stories to share but from a quick look online it looks as if these things may be more common than you might think

Why Some People See Ghosts and Other Presences - There are potential explanations (Psychology Today)

Ghost Stories: Visits from the Deceased - After a loved one dies, most people see ghosts (Scientific American)

Visions at the Hour of Death -13 People Describe Their Experiences with Deathbed Visions

 

A separate phenomenon is people living on for a few minutes after death (also near death and out of body experiences)

Life after death? Largest-ever study provides evidence that 'out of body' and 'near-death' experiences may be real  (Independent)

 

 

The first link is quite interesting.  says at the end of the day there are really only 3 possibilities  : 

  1. The event really happened, just as the person has reported.
  2. The person truly believes that the event has happened, but it has not.
  3. The person is fabricating a story for some reason.

I would agree with that. 

I am pretty sure a fair amount of folk fabricate a story. There will also be a number of people who believe it has happened but it has not.

 A lot of ‘sightings’ are at night and/or when the person is in bed so it would be easy to say they are just dreaming. However unless you are perhaps on drink or drugs it really is pretty easy to differentiate between a dream and reality.I cant say I have ever woken up wondering if the dream I just had was in-fact real and not a dream. 

That first link provides reasonable scientific reasons for why people see apparitions ( simulation of specific brain regions), but a large number of people insist they have seen something and they don't all appear to be in highly stressful situations (which seems to be the main scientific reason given for seeing things). Some of the ‘comments ‘ on the article are  interesting. 

 

 

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On 7/1/2019 at 9:40 AM, teecee- said:

On a lighter note my EX Mother in law correctly  sussed me as a rogue. A month after she died me and my buddy were travelling across Poland by train heading to Warsaw and as always on trips, card games and 10 cans of Beer helped kill time. Whilst playing Triumph we had to cut the cards numerous times and the number of times I cut the Queen of Diamonds was unnerving. She was the Queen of her family and a Diamond to them and maybe I was being told I was still being watched. My mate hated it as he never won the cut. Even now if I have a bad gambling run I think she is orchestrating it.

Could I suggest you play scabby queen instead 🙂 

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2 hours ago, Fairbairn said:

This isn't really a life after death story however it's kinda linked and makes me smile when I think about it so I'm going to share it.   

I lost my Dad to cancer when I was 24, he was 54.  He spent his last few weeks at home and in the last day or so me, my Mum and brother were all round his bed usually taking it in turns to sit with him.  About an hour before he finally passed it was just me and him in the room and he was slipping in and out of consciousness.  At one point he woke up and grabbed my arm and with amazing clarity we'd not seen for months looked me straight in the eye and said "cupboard in the spare room, in a blue box there's something for you.  It's for you, not your brother as you need it more".

I was a bit perplexed and being honest thought it was the medication as he'd been prone to odd outbursts.  An hour later he was gone and it wasn't till the next day I remembered and curiosity got the better of me.  I went to the spare room, found the box and with trepidation opened it up wondering what I might find.  Would it be a comforting letter passing on his last words of advice?  Would it be a lump of cash he'd squirreled away to make sure I was alright when he was gone?  Or a piece of family heirloom jewellery passed down from father to son?

No.  It was an old musty 70s porno VHS!  My Dad's pretty much final act was to pass on his (well worn) copy of Big Bushes Vol II.  In hindsight the "you need it more than your brother comment" was clearly because I was single at the time while he had a girlfriend.  In some ways I find his parting gift more comforting than if he'd given me any of the above!  And if there is an afterlife, it kind of creeps me out that he might have been sitting there waiting to see if it got put to good use....

😂, I am pretty sure that would be HIS Lake of Fire. Though I hope you at least  honoured your dads dying wish....

That is a great story Fairbairn, I wanted to give you a ‘haha’ or ‘like’ but didn't seem right when you lost your dad at 24. Makes me feel very lucky to have had my parents for as long as I did. 

 

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9 hours ago, Fairbairn said:

This isn't really a life after death story however it's kinda linked and makes me smile when I think about it so I'm going to share it.   

I lost my Dad to cancer when I was 24, he was 54.  He spent his last few weeks at home and in the last day or so me, my Mum and brother were all round his bed usually taking it in turns to sit with him.  About an hour before he finally passed it was just me and him in the room and he was slipping in and out of consciousness.  At one point he woke up and grabbed my arm and with amazing clarity we'd not seen for months looked me straight in the eye and said "cupboard in the spare room, in a blue box there's something for you.  It's for you, not your brother as you need it more".

I was a bit perplexed and being honest thought it was the medication as he'd been prone to odd outbursts.  An hour later he was gone and it wasn't till the next day I remembered and curiosity got the better of me.  I went to the spare room, found the box and with trepidation opened it up wondering what I might find.  Would it be a comforting letter passing on his last words of advice?  Would it be a lump of cash he'd squirreled away to make sure I was alright when he was gone?  Or a piece of family heirloom jewellery passed down from father to son?

No.  It was an old musty 70s porno VHS!  My Dad's pretty much final act was to pass on his (well worn) copy of Big Bushes Vol II.  In hindsight the "you need it more than your brother comment" was clearly because I was single at the time while he had a girlfriend.  In some ways I find his parting gift more comforting than if he'd given me any of the above!  And if there is an afterlife, it kind of creeps me out that he might have been sitting there waiting to see if it got put to good use....

 

6 hours ago, TDYER63 said:

😂, I am pretty sure that would be HIS Lake of Fire. Though I hope you at least  honoured your dads dying wish....

That is a great story Fairbairn, I wanted to give you a ‘haha’ or ‘like’ but didn't seem right when you lost your dad at 24. Makes me feel very lucky to have had my parents for as long as I did. 

 

Its really hard not to laugh at fairbairns post. 

You expect someones last words to be along the lines of I love my family but no, he wanted his son to have his porn stash.

Great post Fairbairn

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28 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

 

Its really hard not to laugh at fairbairns post. 

You expect someones last words to be along the lines of I love my family but no, he wanted his son to have his porn stash.

Great post Fairbairn

I know, I burst out laughing when I read it !  No mean feat with a hangover on a Thursday morning. Then I felt a bit guilty. 

Fuck it , I am giving him a haha. If Fairbairn senior had the humour to leave a porn video I doubt he will be offended. If not I will burn forever in that Lake of Fire.

And you’ll be with me 😁

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3 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

I know, I burst out laughing when I read it !  No mean feat with a hangover on a Thursday morning. Then I felt a bit guilty. 

Fuck it , I am giving him a haha. If Fairbairn senior had the humour to leave a porn video I doubt he will be offended. If not I will burn forever in that Lake of Fire.

And you’ll be with me 😁

If Scotty is correct I am already destined to burn in the lake of fire for eternity. 

I will see you and 99.99% of the TAMB there

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4 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

If Scotty is correct I am already destined to burn in the lake of fire for eternity. 

I will see you and 99.99% of the TAMB there

 Canny wait to hear the moaning minnies that complain when it is 25 degrees outside 🙄 

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2 hours ago, vanderark14 said:

 

Its really hard not to laugh at fairbairns post. 

You expect someones last words to be along the lines of I love my family but no, he wanted his son to have his porn stash.

Great post Fairbairn

Oh no, that was his last act. His last words were, if anything, even better!

For a few days he’d been unable to eat or drink anything so the only way we had to get any fluids in him was to dip these swabs in water and rub them round his gums.  About half an hour after bushgate we were all gathered round and could tell he needed a drink. My brother asked him if he wanted some water and went to get the swabs and without a word of a lie the last words I heard him utter were “I’ll have a whisky”. We got a bottle and dipped the swabs in and ran it round his gums and within another 20 minutes or so he was gone. 

I really hope when I go that my last words are something equally profound!!

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15 hours ago, vanderark14 said:

This thread stared quite well too...........

TBF the correct answer was, as usual, posted by Phart 2 posts in ,"nobody knows". Anyone who tells you otherwise is OFTW at best and at worst, well, let's keep it respectful, a ...,....,................

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9 hours ago, Eisegerwind said:

TBF the correct answer was, as usual, posted by Phart 2 posts in ,"nobody knows". Anyone who tells you otherwise is OFTW at best and at worst, well, let's keep it respectful, a ...,....,................

Indeed, nobody know. You mentioned previously you are a numbers person , I am too and probably the reason I have been very sceptical of anything paranormal. 

One of the links Exile posted was from a psychology blog/magazine and the subject matter was explaining rational reasons for people seeing apparitions. 

There are a number of responses in the comments section of the  article and I was wondering of you( or anyone else out there) could perhaps give a rational explanation for one of them. Lets just assume the poster is not fabricating a story and it really did happen. 

This is the post ;

 

I think that illusion of mind can only be seen as credible in cases of unexplained sensory experiences, when physical objects are involved and there is no otherwise normal explanation for their movement can ghosts in that case really be seen simply as an illusion of the mind?

All of the following actually happened. Back in 2005 I was your average run of the mill skeptical Psychology student a champion of reason and rationality when it comes to things of the paranormal, that was until I moved into an old 13th century house. Now through my own experience and my own investigations I believe that ghosts are real. 

Initially everything was fine until about a year after moving in I noticed some of my study books would occasionally fall off the shelving with little explanation. Typically with me being alerted by a heavy thud with me either in another room or at night. I didn't pay too much attention to it as it happened relatively infrequently thinking the wall is probably at a wonky angle being an old house and that gravity and the nearby main road outside was the probable cause. It dawned on me that the road wasn't at all busy at night but for the lack of a better rational explanation I thought it was the most likely scenario and nothing to worry about. Either that or someone was going through my stuff. All this passed then one day as I was sitting on the toilet ("of all places") and I saw a washing up sponge placed on top of a shaving light flush to a wall on my right hand side suddenly fly off horizontally across me a full meter and a half landing close to the bathtub to my left. It was quick and almost insignificant but I was puzzled by what I had seen. The windows were closed the doors were shut I didn't feel any sudden draft, so what had caused it? "Gagaga...ghosts?" I thought it might be possible. It was an old house and I had certainly heard stories of hauntings and poltergeists before but being a believer in science I believed there must be some more rational explanation to what I had witnessed than a simple ghost story. 

Subsequently I set out to test that theory. My first hypothesis (A) I reasoned it might be possible the sponge might have fallen off by a combination of gravity and road vibrations like in my wonky book shelf explanation. Alternatively in my second hypothesis (B) I thought that there might've been a sudden draft from windows being open or doors being slammed. 

In the test of 'A' I found that dropping the sponge from the edge of the shaving light on many trials and in different ways fell more or less straight down each time. As it in no way resembled or simulated the manner of what had previously occurred I felt it sufficient to discount the 'A' hypothesis that gravity and road vibrations as being a likely explanation. 

In the case of hypothesis 'B' I was puzzled when the incident occurred as I didn't remember feeling any draft as you often could in an old house, the weather too that day wasn't noted for being extra specially windy and I remembered the bathroom windows and doors were shut. Further there was no accompanying noise of a door slam that I could remember prior to or after the event. In any case to discount the possibility and for the sake of good science I proceeded with my investigation. 

In test of 'B' I found that slamming doors in any combination including the front and back doors had no effect on moving the sponge. Windows being opened had equally no effect although it would be arguably impossible to accurately reproduce the exact gust of wind given the weathers random nature. 

A hair dryer on full blast at point blank did manage to move the sponge but not even close to resembling the speed and distance and not in the correct direction. I reasoned it would have to be a freakishly strong and precise draft for that to be an explanation. Since the shaver light was flush against a wall to my right with the bathroom door in front of me. The wind coming from the direction of the door or window would not likely have moved the sponge in the right direction to suddenly blast the sponge across me a meter and a half towards the window certainly without me feeling it or hearing a noise. [Obviously had a jet engine gust gone through the bathroom or blown from my rear end my suspicion that I had witnessed something paranormal would not have been aroused.] 

Having established that I could not adequately explain what happened to the sponge I remembered the book incident. How for example would a book placed firmly on a shelf end up on the floor some distance away? Road vibrations? Similarly to the sponge experiments I practiced dropping books from a shelf on the presumption that I was mistaken and that they were poorly placed, again without any successful replication. 

Lastly and alarmingly I tested the shelving and the bathroom shaving light with a spirit level and found them both to be level! Overall the only conclusive explanation was that some energy or force other than gravity or wind must have been the cause. Either that some how I had hallucinated everything and the sponge had never fallen and I had never had cause to pick it up and question the nature of our physical reality.

Later on I decided to share my experiences with my housemates at the time and I was astonished that they too had paranormal experiences but hadn't said anything through fear they might be going or be seen as crazy. It was clear that we were all quite far gone. One housemate even reported him and his girlfriend awaking feeling a presence and having a feeling of being choked. A later incident involved a friend running out of the living room physically shaking with fright saying she had seen a lady in an 18C dress standing with us in the room.

Other reports included finding that latched doors would frequently come open with no one around, lights would be found on when nobody was in the house and had been switched off. Cushions placed on one side would flip over. 

We moved out of the house in 2006. 

I appreciated this might sound like a Scooby doo story to some but I assure you this all happened. This is why I believe that there are ghost like phenomena which cannot be explained by what is in this article.

 

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25 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

Initially everything was fine until about a year after moving in I noticed some of my study books would occasionally fall off the shelving with little explanation. Typically with me being alerted by a heavy thud with me either in another room or at night. I didn't pay too much attention to it as it happened relatively infrequently thinking the wall is probably at a wonky angle being an old house and that gravity and the nearby main road outside was the probable cause. It dawned on me that the road wasn't at all busy at night but for the lack of a better rational explanation I thought it was the most likely scenario and nothing to worry about. Either that or someone was going through my stuff. All this passed then one day as I was sitting on the toilet ("of all places") and I saw a washing up sponge placed on top of a shaving light flush to a wall on my right hand side suddenly fly off horizontally across me a full meter and a half landing close to the bathtub to my left. It was quick and almost insignificant but I was puzzled by what I had seen. The windows were closed the doors were shut I didn't feel any sudden draft, so what had caused it? "Gagaga...ghosts?" I thought it might be possible. It was an old house and I had certainly heard stories of hauntings and poltergeists before but being a believer in science I believed there must be some more rational explanation to what I had witnessed than a simple ghost story. 

"Puzzled???"  Approximately the last thing I'd have felt.  I would've fkin bricked masel!  :lol: 

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30 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

Indeed, nobody know. You mentioned previously you are a numbers person , I am too and probably the reason I have been very sceptical of anything paranormal. 

One of the links Exile posted was from a psychology blog/magazine and the subject matter was explaining rational reasons for people seeing apparitions. 

There are a number of responses in the comments section of the  article and I was wondering of you( or anyone else out there) could perhaps give a rational explanation for one of them. Lets just assume the poster is not fabricating a story and it really did happen. 

This is the post ;

 

I think that illusion of mind can only be seen as credible in cases of unexplained sensory experiences, when physical objects are involved and there is no otherwise normal explanation for their movement can ghosts in that case really be seen simply as an illusion of the mind?

All of the following actually happened. Back in 2005 I was your average run of the mill skeptical Psychology student a champion of reason and rationality when it comes to things of the paranormal, that was until I moved into an old 13th century house. Now through my own experience and my own investigations I believe that ghosts are real. 

Initially everything was fine until about a year after moving in I noticed some of my study books would occasionally fall off the shelving with little explanation. Typically with me being alerted by a heavy thud with me either in another room or at night. I didn't pay too much attention to it as it happened relatively infrequently thinking the wall is probably at a wonky angle being an old house and that gravity and the nearby main road outside was the probable cause. It dawned on me that the road wasn't at all busy at night but for the lack of a better rational explanation I thought it was the most likely scenario and nothing to worry about. Either that or someone was going through my stuff. All this passed then one day as I was sitting on the toilet ("of all places") and I saw a washing up sponge placed on top of a shaving light flush to a wall on my right hand side suddenly fly off horizontally across me a full meter and a half landing close to the bathtub to my left. It was quick and almost insignificant but I was puzzled by what I had seen. The windows were closed the doors were shut I didn't feel any sudden draft, so what had caused it? "Gagaga...ghosts?" I thought it might be possible. It was an old house and I had certainly heard stories of hauntings and poltergeists before but being a believer in science I believed there must be some more rational explanation to what I had witnessed than a simple ghost story. 

Subsequently I set out to test that theory. My first hypothesis (A) I reasoned it might be possible the sponge might have fallen off by a combination of gravity and road vibrations like in my wonky book shelf explanation. Alternatively in my second hypothesis (B) I thought that there might've been a sudden draft from windows being open or doors being slammed. 

In the test of 'A' I found that dropping the sponge from the edge of the shaving light on many trials and in different ways fell more or less straight down each time. As it in no way resembled or simulated the manner of what had previously occurred I felt it sufficient to discount the 'A' hypothesis that gravity and road vibrations as being a likely explanation. 

In the case of hypothesis 'B' I was puzzled when the incident occurred as I didn't remember feeling any draft as you often could in an old house, the weather too that day wasn't noted for being extra specially windy and I remembered the bathroom windows and doors were shut. Further there was no accompanying noise of a door slam that I could remember prior to or after the event. In any case to discount the possibility and for the sake of good science I proceeded with my investigation. 

In test of 'B' I found that slamming doors in any combination including the front and back doors had no effect on moving the sponge. Windows being opened had equally no effect although it would be arguably impossible to accurately reproduce the exact gust of wind given the weathers random nature. 

A hair dryer on full blast at point blank did manage to move the sponge but not even close to resembling the speed and distance and not in the correct direction. I reasoned it would have to be a freakishly strong and precise draft for that to be an explanation. Since the shaver light was flush against a wall to my right with the bathroom door in front of me. The wind coming from the direction of the door or window would not likely have moved the sponge in the right direction to suddenly blast the sponge across me a meter and a half towards the window certainly without me feeling it or hearing a noise. [Obviously had a jet engine gust gone through the bathroom or blown from my rear end my suspicion that I had witnessed something paranormal would not have been aroused.] 

Having established that I could not adequately explain what happened to the sponge I remembered the book incident. How for example would a book placed firmly on a shelf end up on the floor some distance away? Road vibrations? Similarly to the sponge experiments I practiced dropping books from a shelf on the presumption that I was mistaken and that they were poorly placed, again without any successful replication. 

Lastly and alarmingly I tested the shelving and the bathroom shaving light with a spirit level and found them both to be level! Overall the only conclusive explanation was that some energy or force other than gravity or wind must have been the cause. Either that some how I had hallucinated everything and the sponge had never fallen and I had never had cause to pick it up and question the nature of our physical reality.

Later on I decided to share my experiences with my housemates at the time and I was astonished that they too had paranormal experiences but hadn't said anything through fear they might be going or be seen as crazy. It was clear that we were all quite far gone. One housemate even reported him and his girlfriend awaking feeling a presence and having a feeling of being choked. A later incident involved a friend running out of the living room physically shaking with fright saying she had seen a lady in an 18C dress standing with us in the room.

Other reports included finding that latched doors would frequently come open with no one around, lights would be found on when nobody was in the house and had been switched off. Cushions placed on one side would flip over. 

We moved out of the house in 2006. 

I appreciated this might sound like a Scooby doo story to some but I assure you this all happened. This is why I believe that there are ghost like phenomena which cannot be explained by what is in this article.

 

I would suggest that's the first thing you don't do. Unless you've got evidence that's it's not made up nonsense, it's probably made up nonsense. I think it's made up nonsense, the psuedo scientific analysis that they've carried out is garbage.

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6 hours ago, TDYER63 said:

 

There are a number of responses in the comments section of the  article and I was wondering of you( or anyone else out there) could perhaps give a rational explanation for one of them. Lets just assume the poster is not fabricating a story and it really did happen. 

 

Loads of theories fall down purely because the original assumptions are wrong.

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6 hours ago, Eisegerwind said:

I would suggest that's the first thing you don't do. Unless you've got evidence that's it's not made up nonsense, it's probably made up nonsense. I think it's made up nonsense, the psuedo scientific analysis that they've carried out is garbage.

 

6 hours ago, daviebee said:

"Puzzled???"  Approximately the last thing I'd have felt.  I would've fkin bricked masel!  :lol: 

😂 yes, I was also  a bit puzzled that they were simply ‘puzzled’. They must have some serious constipation problem.

Between this and Eisergerwind having debunked their scientific analysis I am inclined to think they may be talking shite 🤫 

I am away to find another ghosty example 🏃‍♀️🏃‍♀️

 

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