Hertsscot Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Okay we've had four wannabes already and probably more to follow. Who would be least catastrophically damaging for the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huddersfield Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 That's a bit like asking which version of bubonic plague you prefer to get. They might not all do for you immediately, but I don't see that any of them are exactly life-enhancing. What will be interesting will be if they go for brutal (probably Boris Johnson although other scumbags are available) or 'sod Brexit, let's just try & win an election' by putting someone, maybe currently a backbencher, who is less tarred with the current shambles & easier to like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted May 25, 2019 Author Share Posted May 25, 2019 I think that's well put. It might have been easier to have said which one will be a complete disaster for normal rational humane human beings. For me McVey would have to be top of the list so far but it is hot competition! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Least damaging is difficult to work out. The main candidates all look awful. Any of the outsiders could be damaging too due to their lack of experience. And they would probably just be a puppet for the main candidates anyway. They probably thought May was a good option at the time as she was a remainer and look how that turned out. Boris will get it IMO. Whether he is less catastrophically damaging than the other remains to be seen. Like Huddersfield says , its like being asked to choose the least rancid apple at the bottom of the barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 I hope its Boris, and I hope he fucks everything up even more than May did. Going through the list, the only competent candidate is Rory Stewart IMO, and I cant stand his posh accented pish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 1 minute ago, TDYER63 said: Least damaging is difficult to work out. The main candidates all look awful. Any of the outsiders could be damaging too due to their lack of experience. And they would probably just be a puppet for the main candidates anyway. They probably thought May was a good option at the time as she was a remainer and look how that turned out. Boris will get it IMO. Whether he is less catastrophically damaging than the other remains to be seen. Like Huddersfield says , its like being asked to choose the least rancid apple at the bottom of the barrel. Boris should be nowhere near leading this country, he was one of the main Brexiteers and he went into hiding, no way that bumbling fruit cake should be given the role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 26 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: Boris should be nowhere near leading this country, he was one of the main Brexiteers and he went into hiding, no way that bumbling fruit cake should be given the role. No he shouldn't, but when has common sense prevailed in this fiasco ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted May 25, 2019 Author Share Posted May 25, 2019 1 hour ago, vanderark14 said: Boris should be nowhere near leading this country, he was one of the main Brexiteers and he went into hiding, no way that bumbling fruit cake should be given the role. I know he hasn't thrown his hat into the ring yet but Gove did something pretty similar. Two naughty school boys causing chaos and then running away to let others clear up the colossal mess they made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Philip Hammond would be a safe pair of hands but he's too moderate and in any case, we're past the 'safe pair of hands' stage now. I can see that runt Gove throwing his hat in the ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Who are our pure dead amazing loyal North British Tory MP's backing then ? Will eccy jaw Ross Thomson nominate himself ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted May 25, 2019 Author Share Posted May 25, 2019 1 hour ago, ErsatzThistle said: Who are our pure dead amazing loyal North British Tory MP's backing then ? Will eccy jaw Ross Thomson nominate himself ? Whoever it will ingratiate them with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 On 5/25/2019 at 7:20 AM, Hertsscot said: Okay we've had four wannabes already and probably more to follow. Who would be least catastrophically damaging for the UK? Depends on what you want the future of the UK to be. Boris would risk messing up the country. He may be the most cavalier about the union. You could imagine if things got difficult, him saying sod this, Scotland can sod off. I mean this is the guy who said f--- business. He could literally tell Scotland to f--- off and the Scots Tories would still be clinging to their precious precious union. Embarrassing. Gove would appear to be the opposite, the most dangerous for Scottish self-determination. He cares about the union and Scotland's place in it (and Northern Ireland too). And he has a zeal about him. He's the kind of guy who you could imagine him meddling with the devolution settlement, scrapping the Barnett formula, or other wheezes - anything at all - regionalism, federalism, communism - anything to put Scotland firmly in its place, in the Union. Even so that could backfire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lairdyfaeinverclyde Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 The favourite for PM https://www.indy100.com/article/boris-johnson-video-conservative-leader-prime-minister-bbc-eddie-mair-8930221 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted May 26, 2019 Author Share Posted May 26, 2019 32 minutes ago, exile said: Depends on what you want the future of the UK to be. Boris would risk messing up the country. He may be the most cavalier about the union. You could imagine if things got difficult, him saying sod this, Scotland can sod off. I mean this is the guy who said f--- business. He could literally tell Scotland to f--- off and the Scots Tories would still be clinging to their precious precious union. Embarrassing. Gove would appear to be the opposite, the most dangerous for Scottish self-determination. He cares about the union and Scotland's place in it (and Northern Ireland too). And he has a zeal about him. He's the kind of guy who you could imagine him meddling with the devolution settlement, scrapping the Barnett formula, or other wheezes - anything at all - regionalism, federalism, communism - anything to put Scotland firmly in its place, in the Union. Even so that could backfire. I agree with your comments on Gove and the union. He has given himself the air of an intellectual and that he is a safer pair of hands than Boris and that might play well with some of the more sane Tories. The fact that he is a Scot will go down well with Scots Tories but he's not so obviously Scottish that it would be a disadvantage down south. He also gives the impression that he listens more than he used to, I use the word 'impression' deliberately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 Gove is the absolute worst choice. Rupert Murdoch's man 100% and a virulent neocon, screaming at fellow MP's when they voted down the Syrian war I think it was. Does not give a fuck about anything other than himself. Sold out Boris in a heartbeat when he thought he was on his way. I am convinced he will be maneuvered into the job because he is a Tory Tony Blair II without the charm or looks but he will eagerly go along with every mad John Bolton plan, eagerly. The comment about him being a Himmler nephew lookalike is very funny, been bothering me for years who it was he resembled. Dangerous choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 For the sake of Scottish independence I'm praying that Boris the Buffoon wins it. He's an absolute twat and incompetent beyond belief but his Old Etonian style will swing virtually every fence sitter in our direction. I would feel sorry for every non-Tory left in England but they can always vote the arsehole out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 Noticed that English Tories are unusually referring to themselves as being members if the Conservative and Unionist party rather than just the Conservative party May did it on Friday and Gove did it this morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 5 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: Noticed that English Tories are unusually referring to themselves as being members if the Conservative and Unionist party rather than just the Conservative party May did it on Friday and Gove did it this morning They started doing that when they became dependent on the DUP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 46 minutes ago, aaid said: They started doing that when they became dependent on the DUP. I know you disagree when i say most things have a relevance to keeping Scotland tied to the Union however ... folk need to start listening as to what is in the future edit - has the board changed with the posting of videos ? Used to be simply copying video address then pasting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 What he said, about Scotland, Wales and NI, and indeed North of England, shows that the government believes they represent the South of England, there is a distinct us and them. If Rory Stewart thinks he is the man who can rejoin Scotland with England, then boy is he wrong, and I say that as someone who thinks he is the best candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 The Unionist part of the Conservative party name does primarily refer to Northern Ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 7 hours ago, Toepoke said: The Unionist part of the Conservative party name does primarily refer to Northern Ireland. Called just the "Unionist Party" in Scotland to 1965, you're right they were referring to Ireland, but followed (took the whip of) their Westminster Conservative masters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lairdyfaeinverclyde Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Watching the news this morning and Steve Baker was getting interviewed. Possibly putting his name forward for the next Tory leader. What an absolute dick head of a man. What a choice of bangers the tory faithful have to choose from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 On 5/26/2019 at 10:02 AM, Hertsscot said: I agree with your comments on Gove and the union. He has given himself the air of an intellectual and that he is a safer pair of hands than Boris and that might play well with some of the more sane Tories. The fact that he is a Scot will go down well with Scots Tories but he's not so obviously Scottish that it would be a disadvantage down south. He also gives the impression that he listens more than he used to, I use the word 'impression' deliberately. Does anyone remember MG used to be a cultural pundit on newsnight review or am I dreaming 😵 Sunday herald reminded us Bojo actually on record attacking Barnett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 2 hours ago, exile said: Does anyone remember MG used to be a cultural pundit on newsnight review or am I dreaming 😵 Aye, the first i saw of him was as a journalist for one of the broadsheets on a 'press review' type show on BBC news 24. Must be going back 15 years. He has a face/manner you tend not to forget (even though you wish you could!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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