andyD Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, monk100 said: That's got to be one of the worst most nonsensical posts ever on this forum! Hahahaha Made sense to me. (even if it wasn't particularly classy) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 If you can’t handle the verbal abuse that will likely come with the game then go do something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 5 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: If you can’t handle the verbal abuse that will likely come with the game then go do something else. Don't you think this a little bit like someone in the 70s saying to a woman that if they can't handle the sexual harassment in the workplace they should just go find another job where it doesn't exist? As I said before, booing doesn't bother me too much because it just sounds silly for grown men to do, but some of the personal verbal abuse levelled at players at the game and on social media is out of order. We need to be more forward thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Stop whingeing and just get a new job Graham! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-7065993/amp/Rangers-star-Graham-Dorrans-bottled-holiday-Ibiza.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 2 hours ago, mrniaboc said: Don't you think this a little bit like someone in the 70s saying to a woman that if they can't handle the sexual harassment in the workplace they should just go find another job where it doesn't exist? As I said before, booing doesn't bother me too much because it just sounds silly for grown men to do, but some of the personal verbal abuse levelled at players at the game and on social media is out of order. We need to be more forward thinking. 2 hours ago, mrniaboc said: Stop whingeing and just get a new job Graham! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-7065993/amp/Rangers-star-Graham-Dorrans-bottled-holiday-Ibiza.html I’ve not clicked that link but from the title I guess he’s been bottled, I don’t condone violence or harassment off the pitch, sure that and sexual assault in the work place are already crimes that can be dealt with under existence laws. Good luck trying to police verbal abuse from the stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 knew someone would link a story to someone getting assaulted off the pitch but the sexual assault at work was unexpected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: I’ve not clicked that link but from the title I guess he’s been bottled, I don’t condone violence or harassment off the pitch, sure that and sexual assault in the work place are already crimes that can be dealt with under existence laws. Good luck trying to police verbal abuse from the stands. I think grown adults should have the mental constitution to police it themselves. Show some class and respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, mrniaboc said: I think grown adults should have the mental constitution to police it themselves. Show some class and respect. Back in the real world ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Back in the real world ... Maybe I am too much of an idealist? I think an easy start in the right direction would be that when a player does speak out about abuse or mental health issues we don't just tell them fuck off and get another job. But you're right, I may be asking for too much too soon from the average football fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, mrniaboc said: Maybe I am too much of an idealist? I think an easy start in the right direction would be that when a player does speak out about abuse or mental health issues we don't just tell them fuck off and get another job. But you're right, I may be asking for too much too soon from the average football fan. Who said they should fuck off? Verbal abuse from fans is part of the game and is unlikely to change anytime soon, if it’s affecting a players mental health then changing their own circumstances is more realistic than expecting a group of fans to change. Sticks and stones and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan_McCole Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 16 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Verbal abuse from fans is part of the game and is unlikely to change anytime soon, if it’s affecting a players mental health then changing their own circumstances is more realistic than expecting a group of fans to change. While I've not much issue with fans booing and I've taken part in it plenty of times, I don't think victim blaming is the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Who said they should fuck off? Verbal abuse from fans is part of the game and is unlikely to change anytime soon, if it’s affecting a players mental health then changing their own circumstances is more realistic than expecting a group of fans to change. Sticks and stones and all that. I totally get your realism argument. Sorry, I was boiling down telling people to just get a new job if they can't handle it to basically saying "fuck off". I just think we can do better than that. Especially the TA. Don't you? I think it's great that we even have this thread on the TAMB. Sticks and stones is nonsense BTW. A very large fraction of young males suffer from mental health issues, and too few ever talk about it or seek help. These issues are not caused only by sticks and stones. You say this fan behaviour is unlikely to change. You're a fan. Be the change you want to see mate. Instead of defending the nonsense and telling the victims they should be able to handle it. I just think it will be ponderous to future generations that there used to be a job that people did where having personal abuse hurled at you was publicly acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Just now, Tartan_McCole said: While I've not much issue with fans booing and I've taken part in it plenty of times, I don't think victim blaming is the way to go. I wouldn’t say being realistic is victim blaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Tartan_McCole said: While I've not much issue with fans booing and I've taken part in it plenty of times, I don't think victim blaming is the way to go. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan_McCole Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Just now, ParisInAKilt said: I wouldn’t say being realistic is victim blaming. I see where you're coming from, but it's the same argument as telling lassies how they should dress and act to avoid unwanted/aggressive behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 minute ago, mrniaboc said: I totally get your realism argument. Sorry, I was boiling down telling people to just get a new job if they can't handle it to basically saying "fuck off". I just think we can do better than that. Especially the TA. Don't you? I think it's great that we even have this thread on the TAMB. Sticks and stones is nonsense BTW. A very large fraction of young males suffer from mental health issues, and too few ever talk about it or seek help. These issues are not caused only by sticks and stones. You say this fan behaviour is unlikely to change. You're a fan. Be the change you want to see mate. Instead of defending the nonsense and telling the victims they should be able to handle it. I just think it will be ponderous to future generations that there used to be a job that people did where having personal abuse hurled at you was publicly acceptable. Aye I work in mental health myself and ironically get abused verbally and physically on a weekly basis but it’s part of the job and I know that when I come to work, far from ideal but there you go. Theres been great strides for mainstream and non government organisations into promoting mental heath in young males, not sure what the relation is with footballer players taking stick, that can admittedly go too far at a game of football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tartan_McCole said: I see where you're coming from, but it's the same argument as telling lassies how they should dress and act to avoid unwanted/aggressive behaviour. Haha not sure about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 18 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Aye I work in mental health myself and ironically get abused verbally and physically on a weekly basis but it’s part of the job and I know that when I come to work, far from ideal but there you go. Theres been great strides for mainstream and non government organisations into promoting mental heath in young males, not sure what the relation is with footballer players taking stick, that can admittedly go too far at a game of football. I think this is exactly what the OP is talking about? I don't know about your job at all, but it sounds like the verbal and physical abuse might be coming from a smaller group of people with real issues, not just the general public? Either way, my hat is off to you, as doing that kind of work is very admirable, important, and a job I don't have the guts to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandydunn Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 On 5/24/2019 at 3:00 PM, mrniaboc said: I totally get your realism argument. Sorry, I was boiling down telling people to just get a new job if they can't handle it to basically saying "fuck off". I just think we can do better than that. Especially the TA. Don't you? I think it's great that we even have this thread on the TAMB. Sticks and stones is nonsense BTW. A very large fraction of young males suffer from mental health issues, and too few ever talk about it or seek help. These issues are not caused only by sticks and stones. You say this fan behaviour is unlikely to change. You're a fan. Be the change you want to see mate. Instead of defending the nonsense and telling the victims they should be able to handle it. I just think it will be ponderous to future generations that there used to be a job that people did where having personal abuse hurled at you was publicly acceptable. All I took from that post was where you still seem to think Scotland fans are angels and don’t behave like that. A fair percentage of our fans are absolute cretins and use away games like a stag trip to behave like an utter arsehole. A few fans booing is the least of the problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, dandydunn said: All I took from that post was where you still seem to think Scotland fans are angels and don’t behave like that. A fair percentage of our fans are absolute cretins and use away games like a stag trip to behave like an utter arsehole. A few fans booing is the least of the problems. I don't think all Scotland fans are angels, and any large group will have a certain fraction of miscreants, however I like to think the vast majority of the TA hold themselves to a respectable standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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