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1 hour ago, andyD said:

Christie's essentially a number 10, and a good one.. a position we don't really have any one else to play, except perhaps Snodgrass.
Comparing him to a holding midfielder is a bizarre thing to do, but it is you, so i shouldn't be surprised.

I highly doubt Robertson would want to play defensive mid. He's a left back for a team at the peak of club football. He likes being a left back. He probably wants to focus on being a left back. Also, when we have a world class player it's probably best to use them in the position where they're world class, not try and convert them into being mediocre at something else. It's just a foolish idea.

The idea that our midfielders are all awful is equally silly. McTominay seems to obviously be a step above at the moment, but Armstrong's not had a bad season by any means. Despite niggling injuries, he's made 31 appearances for Southampton and scored 4 goals. He's not looked out of his depth at all at EPL level and is still one of the most consistent performers in a Scotland shirt. Even when we're awful he's generally ok.

A midfield 5 of: Fraser, Armstrong, Christie, McTominay, Forrest
It's a good midfield.

Our problems come when our first choice players aren't available. And that's not something to be solved by shunting left backs into midfield.

 

If a player is top drawer then he'd essentially be able to play anyone. Do you remember when Pirlo broke through at Inter Milan as a number 10? Then a few years down the line AC Milan put him in the anchorman role and he was exceptional. This wouldn't happen in Scotland. We think a player's positional status Is written In their DNA. I also Remember Paul Lambert being a rather decent attacking midfielder with ST Mirren and Motherwell, when he moved to Borussia Dortmund they pretty much instantly saw him as an anchorman, within a season he's holding the European Cup and he was man of the match in the final… and he probably still had Zidane in his pocket when he was having his pre-game shower.

Yeah. It's a foolish idea? Yep. That's what Austria think, too. "Alaba is a world class left back, probably the best in the world, so we shouldn't even bother playing him in a position where he's get more of the ball" - Or obviously they didn't think that.

You do realize that players haven't got positional identified imprinted on their DNA, right? God didn't write positions on a player's birth certificate. So to suggest that a player, a world class one at that, doesn't have the football intelligence to play more than one position isn't just silly, it's insane.

There's parallels between Kimmich (the best right back in the world) and Robertson. Both were wingers as youths, both were played at fullback by their clubs. The only difference s that German fans ad coaches are progressive and they could see that he's equally adept at playing fullback as he is anchorman. Which is why he plays fullback for his club and anchorman for his country.

Hell, it would appear that even Austrian fans and coaches are more progressive than ours, as they didn't bat an eyelid when Alaba (one of the best left backs in the world) plays left back all season and shifts into anchorman for his country.

There are many reasons why we're lagging in world football, and our stubbornness when it comes to "natural positions" and our obsession with them is one of them.

Plus, "is a bizarre thing to do, but it is you, so i shouldn't be surprised" - Really? Personal digs? Personal insults feed my already pump ego, so keep It coming. :) 

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1 minute ago, Chripper said:

If a player is top drawer then he'd essentially be able to play anyone. Do you remember when Pirlo broke through at Inter Milan as a number 10? Then a few years down the line AC Milan put him in the anchorman role and he was exceptional. This wouldn't happen in Scotland. We think a player's positional status Is written In their DNA. I also Remember Paul Lambert being a rather decent attacking midfielder with ST Mirren and Motherwell, when he moved to Borussia Dortmund they pretty much instantly saw him as an anchorman, within a season he's holding the European Cup and he was man of the match in the final… and he probably still had Zidane in his pocket when he was having his pre-game shower.

Yeah. It's a foolish idea? Yep. That's what Austria think, too. "Alaba is a world class left back, probably the best in the world, so we shouldn't even bother playing him in a position where he's get more of the ball" - Or obviously they didn't think that.

You do realize that players haven't got positional identified imprinted on their DNA, right? God didn't write positions on a player's birth certificate. So to suggest that a player, a world class one at that, doesn't have the football intelligence to play more than one position isn't just silly, it's insane.

There's parallels between Kimmich (the best right back in the world) and Robertson. Both were wingers as youths, both were played at fullback by their clubs. The only difference s that German fans ad coaches are progressive and they could see that he's equally adept at playing fullback as he is anchorman. Which is why he plays fullback for his club and anchorman for his country.

Hell, it would appear that even Austrian fans and coaches are more progressive than ours, as they didn't bat an eyelid when Alaba (one of the best left backs in the world) plays left back all season and shifts into anchorman for his country.

There are many reasons why we're lagging in world football, and our stubbornness when it comes to "natural positions" and our obsession with them is one of them.

Plus, "is a bizarre thing to do, but it is you, so i shouldn't be surprised" - Really? Personal digs? Personal insults feed my already pump ego, so keep It coming. :) 

Personally my issue with it is that Robbo himself doesn't seem like he's comfortable playing other positions. Even some top players aren't very versatile but that doesn't mean they're not top players still.

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4 minutes ago, csinclair said:

Personally my issue with it is that Robbo himself doesn't seem like he's comfortable playing other positions. Even some top players aren't very versatile but that doesn't mean they're not top players still.

I know and I know. But most people here don't even want to give it a try.

Didn't he say that he's not comfortable with 3-5-2 when McLeish was manager? Yeah. I doubt he'd say someone like that with Klopp at the helm. He's just shut up and buckle down, like he did when Moreno was left back.

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4 minutes ago, Chripper said:

I know and I know. But most people here don't even want to give it a try.

Didn't he say that he's not comfortable with 3-5-2 when McLeish was manager? Yeah. I doubt he'd say someone like that with Klopp at the helm. He's just shut up and buckle down, like he did when Moreno was left back.

I've been looking over the lineup from the 2-2 against England as I feel that 3 at the back was really effective for us that game and trying to see the difference from the nations league. Maybe it was having Berra in the 3 with his experience? Maybe it was having Morrison & Brown in the midfield as opposed to McDonald & McGinn? I thought our better periods in that game were when Fraser came on and we were able to counter with his pace.

There's a lot of back 3/back 4 debate on here but ideally I'd like to see us using both. With a full squad we should be beating the likes of Kazakstan with a back 4 to be honest (with a proper left back and not Shinnie) as we should be looking to be on the front foot. Against the likes of Belgium though I don't think we really have a choice but to go for a 3.

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3 minutes ago, csinclair said:

I've been looking over the lineup from the 2-2 against England as I feel that 3 at the back was really effective for us that game and trying to see the difference from the nations league. Maybe it was having Berra in the 3 with his experience? Maybe it was having Morrison & Brown in the midfield as opposed to McDonald & McGinn? I thought our better periods in that game were when Fraser came on and we were able to counter with his pace.

There's a lot of back 3/back 4 debate on here but ideally I'd like to see us using both. With a full squad we should be beating the likes of Kazakstan with a back 4 to be honest (with a proper left back and not Shinnie) as we should be looking to be on the front foot. Against the likes of Belgium though I don't think we really have a choice but to go for a 3.

Thank you for bringing that match up! It's people completely forget about it and what system we used.

In an ideal world where we had top defenders and top midfielders I would say that we play with a back four, all day long. But we don't. Our defenders haven't been equipped to play in a four since the early 90s. From 95 to now we've only had one central defender that I personally would call top drawer, and that was Colin Hendry. He was a true leader and he pretty much forged his other two center backs into a solid unit... plus what he did with Blackburn was brilliant.

Do you remember the play-offs for 2000 when we played England (funnily enough)? The match at Wembley David Beckham was like a second right back as McCann kept pushing him back. On the face of it a 3-5-2 is defensive one, when we get pushed back it's a 5 man defense, but when we push forward we are pretty much attacking with 5/6 players.

As you said, and I totally agree, we must play with a 3 against Belgium, and have our players knowing what they're doing. If we don't, if we play with a back four.. the score could get into double figures.

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10 minutes ago, runningtings said:

There isn't a lot of debate on here about a back 3 or Andy Robertson playing in midfield, it all comes from one (very prolific) poster.

Andy is a world class left back it is ridiculous to move him anywhere else.

Again, if Austria do it with Alaba and Germany do it with Kimmich, why not us? Add in the fact that most of our midfielders play in the English Championship.

No one has given a proper answer to this. All I get is "OOooooh! But Chripper, Andy Robertson has 'left back' written on his DNA, we couldn't possible play him elsewhere as it would be against Mother Nature!"

And yet people are fine with playing Tierney "out of position" at right back. I don't think people get the irony.

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16 hours ago, Chripper said:

Again, if Austria do it with Alaba and Germany do it with Kimmich, why not us? Add in the fact that most of our midfielders play in the English Championship.

No one has given a proper answer to this. All I get is "OOooooh! But Chripper, Andy Robertson has 'left back' written on his DNA, we couldn't possible play him elsewhere as it would be against Mother Nature!"

And yet people are fine with playing Tierney "out of position" at right back. I don't think people get the irony.

Sorry Chripper disagree, by taking Robertson out of his left back berth you negate one of our most potent attacking threats.....his deliveries from the left. 

And you keep referring to McGregor as a Championship Player..... when there is nothing to suggest he couldn’t play in the EPL. His close control, vision and ability in tight situations are his strong points in midfield. What makes you think that Robertson would fare any better?

And playing Tierney at right back, while not ideal, isn’t nearly as radical a suggestion.....at the end of the day he is a full back and a defender foremost.

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3 hours ago, SWMM82 said:

Sorry Chripper disagree, by taking Robertson out of his left back berth you negate one of our most potent attacking threats.....his deliveries from the left. 

And you keep referring to McGregor as a Championship Player..... when there is nothing to suggest he couldn’t play in the EPL. His close control, vision and ability in tight situations are his strong points in midfield. What makes you think that Robertson would fare any better?

And playing Tierney at right back, while not ideal, isn’t nearly as radical a suggestion.....at the end of the day he is a full back and a defender foremost.

When Is the last time we saw Robertson bombing down the left for Scotland? I can't recall it. It would be an issue if we didn't have Tierney, but we do. Most people are saying that he's not had a stand out game for Scotland in so long.

There's little difference between the bottom teams of the EPL and the Championship, so yes, I'm sure he could play for a team like Everton or Burnley, etc. Certainly not a top 6 team, though. Robertson is a better player. When I think of McGregor I think of him against PSG when all he did was pass back and dribble towards his own goal. You can say "Oh, it's PSG", but McTominay pretty much bullied Verratti for 90 minutes and drove forward with the ball and wasn't scared. McGregor played like a little frightened mouse, and that's a common thing with most of our players.

Playing Tierney at right back negates one of our most potent attacking threats (;)) as he has to check on his left when he wants to cross, which isn't ideal.

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10 hours ago, SWMM82 said:

Sorry Chripper disagree, by taking Robertson out of his left back berth you negate one of our most potent attacking threats.....his deliveries from the left. 

And you keep referring to McGregor as a Championship Player..... when there is nothing to suggest he couldn’t play in the EPL. His close control, vision and ability in tight situations are his strong points in midfield. What makes you think that Robertson would fare any better?

And playing Tierney at right back, while not ideal, isn’t nearly as radical a suggestion.....at the end of the day he is a full back and a defender foremost.

Starting to think Robertson out of position might be better than Tierney out of position, I am sure that Tierney would be a better option to play behind Fraser. 

We just don't have the central players to cover Robertson and Fraser together on the same wing, I also think that left back is a stupid place to have your captain. Don't bother quoting some brilliant left back who was also a great captain I really don't care.(not directed at you)

Currently, though probably not tomorrow I would have Robertson, Mcgregor and Mctominay in midfield with Fraser and Forrest  slightly further forward and some random striker up front. Have Mctominay on the right because we don't have a right back and Forrest also needs cover. If the three central midfielders can also cover our center backs and the goalkeeper we might be OK

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This may sound ludicrous, but I could actually see Barca and/or Real showing an interest in Robertson in the next couple of years if he continues this form.

Both these clubs love attacking fullbacks and he is actually good enough already IMO.

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46 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said:

Starting to think Robertson out of position might be better than Tierney out of position, I am sure that Tierney would be a better option to play behind Fraser. 

We just don't have the central players to cover Robertson and Fraser together on the same wing, I also think that left back is a stupid place to have your captain. Don't bother quoting some brilliant left back who was also a great captain I really don't care.(not directed at you)

Currently, though probably not tomorrow I would have Robertson, Mcgregor and Mctominay in midfield with Fraser and Forrest  slightly further forward and some random striker up front. Have Mctominay on the right because we don't have a right back and Forrest also needs cover. If the three central midfielders can also cover our center backs and the goalkeeper we might be OK

Absolutely spot on.

I'd also agree with your midfield line-up in midfield and attacking midfield.

I don't care what anyone says, the middle of the park (both defence and midfield and attack) is the most important position on a football pitch. If you control the middle then you'll control the game. We simply are not in a privelaged position to play our best players either at full-back or on the wing. There's no point having players out wide if the players in the middle aren't good enough to feed them. We must play our best players through the middle.

3 minutes ago, fringo said:

This may sound ludicrous, but I could actually see Barca and/or Real showing an interest in Robertson in the next couple of years if he continues this form.

Both these clubs love attacking fullbacks and he is actually good enough already IMO.

Not so ludicrous. He's getting better and better, and his assists are so that it'll be noticed.

He made a brilliant tackle on (I think) Messi early on, and now almost an assist.

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5 minutes ago, fringo said:

This may sound ludicrous, but I could actually see Barca and/or Real showing an interest in Robertson in the next couple of years if he continues this form.

Both these clubs love attacking fullbacks and he is actually good enough already IMO.

Busquets and Kroos arent finished yet.

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Just now, kumnio said:

Busquets and Kroos arent finished yet.

Barcelona and Real currently have midfielders who can make 5 yard passes and they don't break into a sweat when an opponent is next to them, so if he did join those two, he's be at left back. 

Do I have to dumb it down for you?

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1 minute ago, Chripper said:

Barcelona and Real currently have midfielders who can make 5 yard passes and they don't break into a sweat when an opponent is next to them, so if he did join those two, he's be at left back. 

Do I have to dumb it down for you?

Oh do shut the fuck up you tedious twat. Can you understand that.

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12 minutes ago, kumnio said:

Oh do shut the fuck up you tedious twat. Can you understand that.

You - stop the personal abuse. Use the "Ignore" function.

1 minute ago, Chripper said:

Oohhhh! A wordsmith!

At long last, a worthy adversary....

You - stop the unnecessary wind-ups. You're a wind-up  merchant. You're good at it. We get it.

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1 minute ago, TAMB2 said:

You - stop the unnecessary wind-ups. You're a wind-up  merchant. You're good at it. We get it.

He's the one who came into my thread for one purpose, and that purpose is to troll.

Excuse me for giving him a slap.

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2 minutes ago, Chripper said:

He's the one who came into my thread for one purpose, and that purpose is to troll.

Excuse me for giving him a slap.

That's our job. Use the Report and/or Ignore functions.

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It is not unnecessary wind ups. The guy is a colossal cunt. Good posters get banned for colourful language while this board cancer gets pretty much ignored. I can only assume it is because he is a 'hun cunt'.

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4 minutes ago, TAMB2 said:

You - stop the personal abuse. Use the "Ignore" function.

You - stop the unnecessary wind-ups. You're a wind-up  merchant. You're good at it. We get it.

He is on ignore, sadly when you post the last comment is shown.

2 minutes ago, Chripper said:

He's the one who came into my thread for one purpose, and that purpose is to troll.

Excuse me for giving him a slap.

Give me a slap, really wee man, go ahead.

Mod, I get banned for telling him to commit suicide, can he seriously threaten me? 

He has made this forum unreadable with his absolute utter shitefest, every hour, every day. Its constant crap, and he has ruined this forum.

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Just now, thplinth said:

It is not unnecessary wind ups. The guy is a colossal cunt. Good posters get banned for colourful language while this board cancer gets pretty much ignored. I can only assume it is because he is a 'hun cunt'.

Thankfully Im not the only bored of his sad wee life.

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