daviebee Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Chripper said: I can't disagree with any of that, as it's spot-on. However, Robertson, Tierney and Fraser are players that we've produced by accident and not design. These three are a few levels above their Scottish pears (apart from McTominay). I'd say that those four (including McTominay) can play in multiple positions and make it look seamless. Look at McTominay, at youth level he played a fair percentage of his matches as a striker. The better a player is the better they are at adaptability. The majority of our players look unconvincing in one position, let alone multiple positions. Trust me, if we managed to snare a top manager he would mould those four and build the team around them. There would be none of this "playing players out of position" nonsense. A top manager would make sure that the end justified the means. Maybe the rest don't have the conference to play in these different positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chripper Posted April 29, 2019 Author Share Posted April 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, daviebee said: Maybe the rest don't have the conference to play in these different positions. Orange-a glad that I made that typo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Article in today's mirror saying OGS is that impressed with McTominay, he's going to build his squad around him for next season. No quotes though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 On 5/7/2019 at 7:07 PM, Bobby Russell's Lovechild said: Article in today's mirror saying OGS is that impressed with McTominay, he's going to build his squad around him for next season. No quotes though Thought this when you wrote it but surely OGS won't be building a squad anywhere anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyBlueScot Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Perhaps reading too much into this but I'm intrigued by the fact McTominay seems at the forefront of Man Utd publicity this summer. He's at the front of their new kit launch and today on Facebook he appeared at the front of promotion of their friendly today. Positive signs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, SkyBlueScot said: Perhaps reading too much into this but I'm intrigued by the fact McTominay seems at the forefront of Man Utd publicity this summer. He's at the front of their new kit launch and today on Facebook he appeared at the front of promotion of their friendly today. Positive signs Definitely a good sign. I hope he gets a real chance this season. It's bizarre, every time he starts for Man U or Scotland he plays an absolute blinder, then the next game he's on the bench hahaha. He's a fantastic footballer. Let him play! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 United currently playing Perth Glory. They're going to start two different teams in each half. McTominay will get the second half. Talking of players who have played well in multiple positions, here's four pages worth: http://www.redcafe.net/threads/players-who-were-decent-in-two-positions-or-more.448915/page-4 Plus McTominay can pretty play anywhere through the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 I think John Greig played every position on the park at least once. He even had a go at being a goalie in a Cup final once. If we could only find 4 or 5 players as good as John Greig from somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Orraloon said: I think John Greig played every position on the park at least once. He even had a go at being a goalie in a Cup final once. If we could only find 4 or 5 players as good as John Greig from somewhere. I think it's a generational Scottish thing. Nowadays If you suggest a player plays a different position it's like you're saying they play a different sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Four minutes of bossing the midfield against Barcelona: https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=89&v=hyDUrMmXJDc My favourite part is 1:10 where he out-muscles and navigates past three Barca players. Top drawer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Orraloon said: I think John Greig played every position on the park at least once. He even had a go at being a goalie in a Cup final once. If we could only find 4 or 5 players as good as John Greig from somewhere. If we had seven McTominay's 2 would be in Central defence, one would be right back 3 would be in the centre of midfield and the final one up front. Not making out he is some sort of god but he is better than what we have in all those positions. Think that leaves room for Robertson, Fraser and probably Forrest( plus a keeper} I said when he got his Man Utd contract to the surprise of the Man U fans they had basically got a £25m defensive midfielder, a £20m central midfielder a £20m right sided midfielder a a £15m right back a £15m central defender and a £10m forward for nothing, which is not a bad thing with squad rotation being what it is. He might be worth a bit more now. Chirper suggesting every one can do that is just his usual drivel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Another very good 45 minutes under his belt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 2 hours ago, ceudmilefailte said: Chirper suggesting every one can do that is just his usual drivel. So, you're a liar. I've read all Chripper's posts and not once did he suggest that "ever player" can slot seamlessly into different positions. Far as I can tell he only mentions Robertson and Tierney in the anchorman position. We don't have any defensive midfielders so it's not exactly "men in white coats" thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 hour ago, SkyBlueScot said: That's quite a commitment to your research! I don't envy you having to do that as that guy was such a d*ck. Aww, thank you! You know what they say "If you fail to prepare then prepare to fail". I'm sure he liked you, if he noticed you. Which I don't think he did... Notice you, I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan_McCole Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 On 7/13/2019 at 10:01 PM, The_Dark_Knight said: So, you're a liar. I've read all Chripper's posts and not once did he suggest that "ever player" can slot seamlessly into different positions. Far as I can tell he only mentions Robertson and Tierney in the anchorman position. We don't have any defensive midfielders so it's not exactly "men in white coats" thinking. This post is tragic on so many levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Tartan_McCole said: This post is tragic on so many levels. Ah! So you think more Scotland players can play in multiple positions? I get it. Not sure I agree, though. Most of our players struggle in one position, never mind being versatile enough to slot into another one. Take McGinn and Burke as prime examples, I'm not even sure what their position is! McGinn has this habit of taking the ball in, dropping his shoulder and trying to dribble past his man... Even when he's in his own box. An as anchorman he'd be a ticking time bomb. The anchorman position is pretty much one of the most important positions in a team. We haven't had a really top one since Paul Lambert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 On 7/15/2019 at 12:03 PM, Tartan_McCole said: This post is tragic on so many levels. Don’t you dare insult his old account. FFS, what a genius post to make from the delusional one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Talking of, why United are still coaxing an pandering to Paul Pogba is a mystery. I would get it if he was akin to Pirlo or Xavi or Iniesta, etc, but the lad is a liability. For all the abuse McTominay received online during his breakthrough season (Because fans saw him as a tool that Mourinho was using against the United board), I would say that he has Pogba in his shadow, and the majority of the Manchester United fans know it. McTominay is captain material, both at club and country level, as for Pogba, he's just a player who's motivated by money. Having a good player is one thing, it's an added bonus when you have a good person, in Robertson and McTominay we have two of them, so it's no surprise that they're at the top of their sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan_McCole Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 8 hours ago, The_Dark_Knight said: Talking of, why United are still coaxing an pandering to Paul Pogba is a mystery. I would get it if he was akin to Pirlo or Xavi or Iniesta, etc, but the lad is a liability. For all the abuse McTominay received online during his breakthrough season (Because fans saw him as a tool that Mourinho was using against the United board), I would say that he has Pogba in his shadow, and the majority of the Manchester United fans know it. McTominay is captain material, both at club and country level, as for Pogba, he's just a player who's motivated by money. Having a good player is one thing, it's an added bonus when you have a good person, in Robertson and McTominay we have two of them, so it's no surprise that they're at the top of their sport. Probably because if they hang him out to dry and make it known that they wont stand for his bullshit then that seriously changes how much he is worth to a potential suitor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyD Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 On 4/29/2019 at 5:08 PM, Chripper said: The better a player is the better they are at adaptability. And yet Andy Robertson, one of the best left backs in the world, was complaining about the difficulties of playing left wing back. You must be right and him wrong tho, after all, what does he know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 14 hours ago, The_Dark_Knight said: Talking of, why United are still coaxing an pandering to Paul Pogba is a mystery. I would get it if he was akin to Pirlo or Xavi or Iniesta, etc, but the lad is a liability. For all the abuse McTominay received online during his breakthrough season (Because fans saw him as a tool that Mourinho was using against the United board), I would say that he has Pogba in his shadow, and the majority of the Manchester United fans know it. McTominay is captain material, both at club and country level, as for Pogba, he's just a player who's motivated by money. Having a good player is one thing, it's an added bonus when you have a good person, in Robertson and McTominay we have two of them, so it's no surprise that they're at the top of their sport. Are you McTominay or his pal? He’s got potential but he’s very much early stages and not at the top of his sport. Pogba is a bit of dick but he’s won major trophies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Tartan_McCole said: Probably because if they hang him out to dry and make it known that they wont stand for his bullshit then that seriously changes how much he is worth to a potential suitor. Selling him is "hanging him out to dry"? He's a world cup winner, I doubt he'd be short of potential destinations. 1 hour ago, ParisInAKilt said: and not at the top of his sport. He's a starter at Manchester United. If that isn't at the top of football then where is? Manchester United is a global giant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 2 hours ago, andyD said: And yet Andy Robertson, one of the best left backs in the world, was complaining about the difficulties of playing left wing back. You must be right and him wrong tho, after all, what does he know. I'll take this one. If Jurgen Klopp told him to play wing-back do you honestly think he'd complain? No. He'd buckle down and give it his all. Same if Clarke told him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyD Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, The_Dark_Knight said: I'll take this one. If Jurgen Klopp told him to play wing-back do you honestly think he'd complain? No. He'd buckle down and give it his all. Same if Clarke told him. I don't think Klopp would 'tell' him to play wingback, just like Klopp didn't play him at fullback until he was ready. He's a good enough manager to know that you don't just shove players into a system and hope for the best. But I'm sure you're right.. what doesn't Klopp know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dark_Knight Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Just now, andyD said: I don't think Klopp would 'tell' him to play wingback, just like Klopp didn't play him at fullback until he was ready. He's a good enough manager to know that you don't just shove players into a system and hope for the best. But I'm sure you're right.. what doesn't Klopp know. Yeah. I'm not going to go around and around with this anymore. People in this place keep saying "Oh X keeps talking about Y", but if no one kept bringing up Y and kept asking questions about X's opinions about Y then X wouldn't keep harping on about Y. Therefore, people should either stop bringing up Y, or they should stop whinging about X talking about so much because If people didn't bring up Y to X then X wouldn't talk about Y so often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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