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4 minutes ago, bazmidd said:

You aren't actually allowed to implement a rule forbidding foreigners to play in a squad anywhere in Europe, it is against European Law. Brexit may actually change that in this country but that's another topic. Anyway that is why England got around it by introducing a home grown rule which is open to any nationality but they have to have been trained for 3 years at an English club between the ages of 15 and 21 (they plan on changing this to between 15 and 18) which obviously massively decreases the chances of many foreigners being trained in England between those ages. Cesc Fabregas to use an example is currently 'home grown' in England as he was brought to Arsenal at 16. Now obviously he was actually home grown through the La Masia academy in Barcelona, the FA have identified this flaw and that is why they are reducing the age to between 15 and 18. Therefore in this instance Fabregas wouldn't have been home grown as he would have only been trained in England for two years from 16 to 18. Hope that makes some sense but it is definitely a rule which is the way forward here. 

Isn’t there a difference between a clubs squad and a match day squad i.e. they can employ as many foreigners as they like but can only play a certain amount? 

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30 minutes ago, er yir macaroon said:

Isn’t there a difference between a clubs squad and a match day squad i.e. they can employ as many foreigners as they like but can only play a certain amount? 

Exactly.

People say that it's against the law when it comes to foreign players, but the law doesn't stipulate anything to do with actually playing them.

In essence, you can buy as many as you like, but only play a certain amount.

That's the loophole.

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11 hours ago, Chripper said:

Exactly.

People say that it's against the law when it comes to foreign players, but the law doesn't stipulate anything to do with actually playing them.

In essence, you can buy as many as you like, but only play a certain amount.

That's the loophole.

Well if that's allowed I'd be happy with that as well tbh, some sort of rules have to be implemented though. I personally prefer the homegrown player rule though as it effectively forces clubs such as the old firm to produce their own players. A foreigner rule could well see Rangers and Celtic buying and stocking up on other clubs best players to an even worse extent than they have done in the past instead of producing their own. If the homegrown player rule was in effect and it was enforced that 7 at least were reared through their own academy then this forces their hand whilst at the same time allows other clubs more chance of keeping their own homegrown players out of the hands of the old firm too. 

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Coaching can be good to fine tune only if the talent is present. Our players do not have the talent to be top internationals.  This obsession blaming Celtic, Rangers and the SFA has being ongoing since France 1998. In that time apart from Ferguson and Fletcher we have produced mediocrity. 

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Just now, teecee- said:

Coaching can be good to fine tune only if the talent is present. Our players do not have the talent to be top internationals.  This obsession blaming Celtic, Rangers and the SFA has being ongoing since France 1998. In that time apart from Ferguson and Fletcher we have produced mediocrity. 

I think it’s wrong to suggest we don’t have talented 5 year olds. 

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2 hours ago, teecee- said:

Coaching can be good to fine tune only if the talent is present. Our players do not have the talent to be top internationals.  This obsession blaming Celtic, Rangers and the SFA has being ongoing since France 1998. In that time apart from Ferguson and Fletcher we have produced mediocrity. 

What an absolute nonsense, top coaching can take players with even limited talent further than they would without. Of course there are a number of factors that come into producing a top class player a lot of which include the player himself talent, mentality, commitment, ambition etc, but without top coaching they will never take their talent as far as they possibly could. If coaching weren't a factor everyone would still be running about like headless chickens in the playground. You only have to look as far as what Brenda Rodgers did with the players at Celtic to see how top coaching can influence a players career and maximise their talent

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6 hours ago, bazmidd said:

What an absolute nonsense, top coaching can take players with even limited talent further than they would without. Of course there are a number of factors that come into producing a top class player a lot of which include the player himself talent, mentality, commitment, ambition etc, but without top coaching they will never take their talent as far as they possibly could. If coaching weren't a factor everyone would still be running about like headless chickens in the playground. You only have to look as far as what Brenda Rodgers did with the players at Celtic to see how top coaching can influence a players career and maximise their talent

I said top internationals, Rodgers improved Mcgregor, Forrest and Armstrong but they are hardly superstars. Coaching cannot make that happen.

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11 hours ago, bazmidd said:

Well if that's allowed I'd be happy with that as well tbh, some sort of rules have to be implemented though. I personally prefer the homegrown player rule though as it effectively forces clubs such as the old firm to produce their own players. A foreigner rule could well see Rangers and Celtic buying and stocking up on other clubs best players to an even worse extent than they have done in the past instead of producing their own. If the homegrown player rule was in effect and it was enforced that 7 at least were reared through their own academy then this forces their hand whilst at the same time allows other clubs more chance of keeping their own homegrown players out of the hands of the old firm too. 

Personally, I'd be all Draconian over it and introduce the homegrown rule as well the three foreigner rule.

To hell with it, the clubs have neglected Scottish players for way too long. It's time to get tough with them. If they don't like it, they can disband... let's see is they have the courage of their convictions. I doubt it.

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If you coach kids,  from the ages of 5+, 6 days a week, with professional coaches and in proper facilities you'll create football players that can play at the very top level. Presently, our players can't even do the basics properly, it's so bad that we struggle against Kazakhstan and San Marino.

Just imagine the amount of really talented 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 year olds that have slipped through the net because their parents weren't able to go the extra mile to make sure that their kids had proper training.

Go down the leagues in Scotland, the players treat the ball like it's a grenade. There is zero skill level in the general Scottish football player.

It's time for whole script of Scottish football to be ripped up.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47697708

It's hard to disagree with any of that. It's also nice to know that people are aware that we're openly in revolt.

In reality, we're as culpable as the SFA. Have the SFA actually did anything right? Ever? In the history of Scottish football? In my lifetime they've always been like the Wizard in the Wizard of Oz. You knew of his/their existence, but you never saw him/them and you didn't even know what he/they did, if anything.

For far too long we've been apathetic and we've allowed the SFA to rob from us, because essentially, that's what they're doing.

As long as we make our voices known at matches (or not, if people decide to boycott) the more the momentum will gain and the more the media will notice and the more the SFA will begin feeling the heat. 

We deserve change and the only to do that is by making our voices heard, whether that's with boycotts, picketing, banners or throwing objects onto the pitch, en mass. 

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