Parklife Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Good wee debate on the one-sided history of Winston Churchill we get fed in the UK. Morgan getting very worked-up on twitter and on TV and making a right fool of himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 post a wee link then.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 Since you haven't discovered search engines yet, here you go: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I’d seen a clip shared by a hun where it looked like Morgan won the argument. Boy puts his point across well before Morgan goes off on a rant about how he’d be speaking German if it wasn’t for Churchill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) Morgan is a prick and an idiot, he makes a fool of himself in that video "Goose stepping your way to Holyrood" Aye ok Edited January 29, 2019 by vanderark14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 I love how the worst thing these thickos can come up with is "we'd be speaking German". Because totalitarianism or murdering people based on their ethnicity, religion and sexuality, isn't bad enough, it's "we'd be speaking German. All the while, completely oblivious to the fact that no country that was on the losing side in WWII now speaks a different language. Piers, his co-host and most of the UK need a bit of a history lesson on Churchill. He was a horrible man, with many objectionable beliefs and characteristics. This doesn't mean he wasn't the perfect war-time PM though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynze Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 morgan was on talkshyte on friday night with a durham in the buildup to the arsenal-man u cup tie. he was a wind up merchant but i found him pretty entertaining. he was talking in jest most of the time and wasn't as aggressive and nasty as he is on twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 Just noticed i typed "Pierce" rather than "Piers". D'oh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Parklife said: Just noticed i typed "Pierce" rather than "Piers". D'oh! Piers - Boys name . Derivative of German word Pierce. Also see : Prick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzo Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Wouldn't pish on morgan if he was on fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, bonzo said: Wouldn't pish on morgan if he was on fire. I would. After drinking petrol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Auchinyell Sox Change Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) Never... Edited January 30, 2019 by Auchinyell Sox Change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 12 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: I read Bill Innes 'St Valery' last year and that gave a different take on those events. IIRC a sacrifice maybe but Innes suggested a necessary one from a strategic point of view. Churchill doesn't come out of it very well with the Greeks either: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/30/athens-1944-britains-dirty-secret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 33 minutes ago, Hertsscot said: I read Bill Innes 'St Valery' last year and that gave a different take on those events. IIRC a sacrifice maybe but Innes suggested a necessary one from a strategic point of view. Churchill doesn't come out of it very well with the Greeks either: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/30/athens-1944-britains-dirty-secret Or the Indians Or the Irish Or the Kenyans Or the poor bastards that died in the Dardanelles. Or the incinerated population of Dresden in February 1945 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, ErsatzThistle said: Or the Indians Or the Irish Or the Kenyans Or the poor bastards that died in the Dardanelles. Or the incinerated population of Dresden in February 1945 Edited January 31, 2019 by Auchinyell Sox Change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 What about the luftwaffe pilots in battle of britain ; or u boat crews at what point does the hand ringing end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, Auchinyell Sox Change said: What about the luftwaffe pilots in battle of britain ; or u boat crews at what point does the hand ringing end Uh oh someone is pure raging Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 6 hours ago, Auchinyell Sox Change said: What about the luftwaffe pilots in battle of britain ; or u boat crews at what point does the hand ringing end I'm not sure its hand wringing. It is however demonstrating that there's another side too Churchill, a side that very few people know about and certainly aren't taught about and perhaps don't want to know about. Greer's remarks were unjustified in my book and he came across naive and blinkered himself. Anyone looking for a genuine assessment of Churchill is unlikely to find it in a debate between Greer and Morgan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Political allegiances aside , find it hard for anyone to take a kid seriously who flunked university the whole revisionist history thing is becoming a bit tiresome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) Aww someone doesn't like his beloved British imperial heroes being (deservedly) criticised. Douglas Bader and Guy Gibson were two utterly repellent individuals. A pair of snobbish bullies with racist views and who despised the working classes Edited January 31, 2019 by ErsatzThistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Auchinyell Sox Change said: Political allegiances aside , find it hard for anyone to take a kid seriously who flunked university the whole revisionist history thing is becoming a bit tiresome Churchill's peccadilloes are hardly revisionist They are there for everyone to research - it's just that they are rarely talked about I call it the Churchill dilemma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Beem Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 37 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: Aww someone doesn't like his beloved British imperial heroes being (deservedly) criticised. Douglas Bader and Guy Gibson were two utterly repellent individuals. A pair of snobbish bullies with racist views and who despised the working classes Bader wouldnt last 5 minutes in modern Britain. Good luck with the Universal Credit application for those disabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 10 hours ago, Hertsscot said: I'm not sure its hand wringing. It is however demonstrating that there's another side too Churchill, a side that very few people know about and certainly aren't taught about and perhaps don't want to know about. Greer's remarks were unjustified in my book and he came across naive and blinkered himself. Anyone looking for a genuine assessment of Churchill is unlikely to find it in a debate between Greer and Morgan. The key thing here is that Churchill was both a white supremacist racist *and* was the right man at the right time as wartime PM. It's possible to be both at the same time you have to accept and reflect on both aspects of someone who was a very complicated individual. I wouldn't have him as personally as the greatest Briton of the 20th century, there are others with a similar level of achievement without anything close to the baggage that Churchill had. What gets missed about Churchill is that up until the Second World War, his career had been a succession of major fuck ups and of course the UK electorate showed what they thought of him by voting him out of office when the war was won. I watched the "debate" and thought Greer probably had the best of it but let himself down badly by sitting smirking and giggling while Morgan was losing it, it betrayed his immaturity. I've quite a bit of time for Patrick Harvie and although I don't agree with everything he says it's always worth listening to him. Greer though I think is one for the watching. Someone on here had some very disparaging views on his role at Yes Scotland during the referendum, Scunnered maybe, I can't remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 45 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: Aww someone doesn't like his beloved British imperial heroes being (deservedly) criticised. Douglas Bader and Guy Gibson were two utterly repellent individuals. A pair of snobbish bullies with racist views and who despised the working classes Let me know when your utopian ideal has been realized Wolfie and ill come back for a visit am sure Guy Gibsons dog was suitably offended by his moniker got to get back to carving my Cecil Rhodes effigy.... Of their time ; may be the clue to how a lot of folk behaved in the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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