RDFH64 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, GRBear said: Killie have actually appealed that elbow to the face. Now that's laughable. Just following what your clubs done after every red they’ve received, it’s called abusing the system but then again rfc have refused to take responsibility for anything they don’t like for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDFH64 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, GRBear said: Hurting. I’ll have a debate with you when I get a sensible reply, you obviously didn’t read my post or maybe it was a tad complicated for you🤯🤯🤯 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 26 minutes ago, RenfrewBlue said: I agree with the vast majority of this but the final sentence is wrong. The sectarian pish IS part of Scottish society. It exists in everyday life outside of football and although much has been done to eradicate it, the worst excesses have found a welcoming home in our football clubs. As long as they supply the money they appear to be tolerated. I don't think we can expect the clubs to change behaviours, it's a governmental responsibility. Any sectarian offence should be getting hammered by the police and clubs who have fans that misbehave should be paying for extra police at their games home and away, so that the offenders can be lifted at the time. Leaving it in the clubs hands is just not going to work. If only there was a law or something that meant people could be prosecuted for it. James Kelly is very quiet this week and for that at least we can be grateful. Anyway, you're spot on that it's a societal rather than solely football thing. Football though is where it comes to the fore. In the same way that saw seats damaged at Rugby Park at the weekend, football offers some people an opportunity to behave in anti-social behaviour with apparent impunity as they are part of a crowd. So something specific needs to happen with regards to football. I think strict liability backed up with sanctions that will actually hurt, such as closing parts of the ground, games played behind closed doors, points deductions and the like is the only way that you will get the clubs to do anything other than pay lip service. I saw a comment on Twitter yesterday, that if Steve Clarke wants to do anything about it, perhaps he needs to talk to his board as they opposed strict liability being brought in. I'm not where this starts and ends but its some form of vicious circle that sees people go "I'm a protestant, I support Rangers, I love the Queen & the monarchy, etc. etc." and the same thing on the other side. Too many people just go for the whole package without thinking for themselves. I'm sure all of us - at least those who live or lived in West and Central Scotland, know people who have extreme sectarian views, probably wear Rangers or Celtic tops all the time but haven't been anywhere near a church or a chapel or Ibrox or Parkhead in years. It'll take generations to eradicate completely and maybe you never will but while you might not change people's views, you can stop them airing those in a football environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 59 minutes ago, RenfrewBlue said: I agree with the vast majority of this but the final sentence is wrong. The sectarian pish IS part of Scottish society. It exists in everyday life outside of football and although much has been done to eradicate it, the worst excesses have found a welcoming home in our football clubs. As long as they supply the money they appear to be tolerated. I don't think we can expect the clubs to change behaviours, it's a governmental responsibility. Any sectarian offence should be getting hammered by the police and clubs who have fans that misbehave should be paying for extra police at their games home and away, so that the offenders can be lifted at the time. Leaving it in the clubs hands is just not going to work. Family responsibility not the government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emoji Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, sbcmfc said: Actually does look a bit worse from this angle.... https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=568201380366190&id=100015289988356&refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2Frangers1872fc%2Fvideos%2F568201380366190%2F&_rdr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, sbcmfc said: Actually does look a bit worse from this angle.... https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=568201380366190&id=100015289988356&refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2Frangers1872fc%2Fvideos%2F568201380366190%2F&_rdr Aye, that’s a red card offence in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow jock Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, GRBear said: Killie have actually appealed that elbow to the face. Now that's laughable. If thats a red card then our game is fucked !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Nothing will change. Fans will moan about the singing on forums and social media for a few days then it will all be forgotten about until they next play each other. It’s been that way for as long as I can remember and will be like that forevermore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, aaid said: If only there was a law or something that meant people could be prosecuted for it. James Kelly is very quiet this week and for that at least we can be grateful. Anyway, you're spot on that it's a societal rather than solely football thing. Football though is where it comes to the fore. In the same way that saw seats damaged at Rugby Park at the weekend, football offers some people an opportunity to behave in anti-social behaviour with apparent impunity as they are part of a crowd. So something specific needs to happen with regards to football. I think strict liability backed up with sanctions that will actually hurt, such as closing parts of the ground, games played behind closed doors, points deductions and the like is the only way that you will get the clubs to do anything other than pay lip service. I saw a comment on Twitter yesterday, that if Steve Clarke wants to do anything about it, perhaps he needs to talk to his board as they opposed strict liability being brought in. I'm not where this starts and ends but its some form of vicious circle that sees people go "I'm a protestant, I support Rangers, I love the Queen & the monarchy, etc. etc." and the same thing on the other side. Too many people just go for the whole package without thinking for themselves. I'm sure all of us - at least those who live or lived in West and Central Scotland, know people who have extreme sectarian views, probably wear Rangers or Celtic tops all the time but haven't been anywhere near a church or a chapel or Ibrox or Parkhead in years. It'll take generations to eradicate completely and maybe you never will but while you might not change people's views, you can stop them airing those in a football environment. Excellent post and far better put than I could have managed. Totally agree. I do think sectarianism has been on the decline in general society but since 2014 both it and other forms of bigotry have come back stronger. It's as if the potential for change brings the worst out in some folk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, ParisInAKilt said: Family responsibility not the government It's the older generations that are passing it down. I think most folk in the west of Scotland will know a family of bigots who essentially brain wash their children into their own bizarre mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDFH64 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 hours ago, aaid said: If only there was a law or something that meant people could be prosecuted for it. James Kelly is very quiet this week and for that at least we can be grateful. Anyway, you're spot on that it's a societal rather than solely football thing. Football though is where it comes to the fore. In the same way that saw seats damaged at Rugby Park at the weekend, football offers some people an opportunity to behave in anti-social behaviour with apparent impunity as they are part of a crowd. So something specific needs to happen with regards to football. I think strict liability backed up with sanctions that will actually hurt, such as closing parts of the ground, games played behind closed doors, points deductions and the like is the only way that you will get the clubs to do anything other than pay lip service. I saw a comment on Twitter yesterday, that if Steve Clarke wants to do anything about it, perhaps he needs to talk to his board as they opposed strict liability being brought in. I'm not where this starts and ends but its some form of vicious circle that sees people go "I'm a protestant, I support Rangers, I love the Queen & the monarchy, etc. etc." and the same thing on the other side. Too many people just go for the whole package without thinking for themselves. I'm sure all of us - at least those who live or lived in West and Central Scotland, know people who have extreme sectarian views, probably wear Rangers or Celtic tops all the time but haven't been anywhere near a church or a chapel or Ibrox or Parkhead in years. It'll take generations to eradicate completely and maybe you never will but while you might not change people's views, you can stop them airing those in a football environment. Agree with all that, cracking post 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, RenfrewBlue said: Excellent post and far better put than I could have managed. Totally agree. I do think sectarianism has been on the decline in general society but since 2014 both it and other forms of bigotry have come back stronger. It's as if the potential for change brings the worst out in some folk. It creeps into society but the biggest vehicles used for it are two big clubs and to a much much lesser extent hearts. The big two could and should be doing a lot more Edited February 21, 2019 by vanderark14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/angle-proves-daniel-bachmann-deserves-15864001 Look at the video in the article. How anyone doesn't say it is a red is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDFH64 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 15 minutes ago, EddardStark said: https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/angle-proves-daniel-bachmann-deserves-15864001 Look at the video in the article. How anyone doesn't say it is a red is beyond me. Not on the wind up here, did you think the Mcgregor tackle on Ferguson was a red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, RDFH64 said: Not on the wind up here, did you think the Mcgregor tackle on Ferguson was a red. Not initially but after seeing another angle, yes. You can't show your studs like that in a challenge. Your opinion of this angle of last nights red? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDFH64 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, RenfrewBlue said: Not initially but after seeing another angle, yes. You can't show your studs like that in a challenge. Your opinion of this angle of last nights red? Only seen it on my phone so far but I’ll comment on it when I’ve seen it properly. Thanks for the reply 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 In hindsight, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDFH64 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, EddardStark said: In hindsight, yes. 👍 it’s refreshing to get honest replies to questions on here, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 43 minutes ago, RDFH64 said: Only seen it on my phone so far but I’ll comment on it when I’ve seen it properly. Thanks for the reply 👍 No problem. I had only seen the highlights on my phone too but just watched the lot on my laptop and I have to say the penalty shout was 50/50. If the Killie striker had gone down while Worrall was actually holding him he'd have got it. Because he waited Worrall let him go and then he went down. The red card was totally correct. Threw the elbow deliberately into Kamara's face. Hopefully someone pulls Stevie Clarke up about calling it a joke decision. He's dead wrong about that. And there's no challenge by Candeias on the highlights so can't say anything about that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Still don't see that as violent conduct, we're going to see a lot more red cards for goalkeepers if that criteria is applied consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, Toepoke said: Still don't see that as violent conduct, we're going to see a lot more red cards for goalkeepers if that criteria is applied consistently. Maybe so but it doesn't justify Clarke's post match hysteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 24 minutes ago, EddardStark said: Maybe so but it doesn't justify Clarke's post match hysteria. To be fair there were a few incidents he was unhappy with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 33 minutes ago, EddardStark said: Maybe so but it doesn't justify Clarke's post match hysteria. His bit about you lot being bigoted cretins was bang on though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandydunn Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Toepoke said: Still don't see that as violent conduct, we're going to see a lot more red cards for goalkeepers if that criteria is applied consistently. It’s already been proven that violent conduct is t a red card offence in this country, however in any other country, that is a stick on red card. Just can’t do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandydunn Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Huns are going into meltdown on Twitter about not getting 20% of Pittodrie for next week 😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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