romanticscot Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) I cant disagree with you Jeck but we can get to a playoff, surely that matters to the players. Back to Shinnie, what I think might be more likely is a back 3 with Shinnie on the left, with McKenna in middle with Bates on the right. And McLeish will rely on the pace on the wings. With Robertson on the left wing back. Edited November 16, 2018 by romanticscot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Paterson at right back now for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Do you think Eck will play 4 at the back? I'm not convinced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templeton_Peck Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 No back 3 of bates, mckenna and hendry with roberton rwb and phillips rwb where he plays for west brom.. With shinnie and mctominay as defensive cover on bench.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Does anyone know what Tierney's injury is? This is beyond a joke now. Definitely a problem behind the scenes we don't know about, there has to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 The official Twitter account is useless, it just say "out". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, scotlad said: Does anyone know what Tierney's injury is? This is beyond a joke now. Definitely a problem behind the scenes we don't know about, there has to be. How can we assume that if he has picked up an injury in training? That's not the management's fault, unless the training is too tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: How can we assume that if he has picked up an injury in training? That's not the management's fault, unless the training is too tough. You can't turn back a lynch mob without overriding evidence. Some folk won't be happy until McLeish is sacked, even if he gets us to the Euros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: How can we assume that if he has picked up an injury in training? That's not the management's fault, unless the training is too tough. Well, aye, the odd injury in training happens - fair enough. But I'm genuinely losing count of the number of call-offs this time, and for a competitive game too. It can't all be down to bad luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 14 minutes ago, Templeton_Peck said: No back 3 of bates, mckenna and hendry with roberton rwb and phillips rwb where he plays for west brom.. With shinnie and mctominay as defensive cover on bench.. That back 3 will be a shambles. McKenna is the only one good enough to be near a Scotland shirt. Hendry doesn't play for Celtic and when he does he's a bomb scare. He needs experience at a lower level before he will be ready. Bates is decent but unless he's improved exponentially since last season he is not even as good as Hendry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 minute ago, RenfrewBlue said: You can't turn back a lynch mob without overriding evidence. Some folk won't be happy until McLeish is sacked, even if he gets us to the Euros. That is crap and you know it. I didn't want him to be appointed. I want him to be removed as soon as possible. But if we win the next two matches, playing some good football then he will deserve to stay on for the qualifiers. So far he has been a disaster in almost everything he has touched. I can't think of a single positive and I found positives in Craig Levein!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chripper Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 This is all having the hallmarks of The Simpsons episode "Homer at the bat", where all the baseball ringers begin dropping like flies because of various (and mysterious) circumstances. Someone please keep Andrew Robertson away from the Brain and Nerve tonic.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, scotlad said: Does anyone know what Tierney's injury is? This is beyond a joke now. Definitely a problem behind the scenes we don't know about, there has to be. Ok Ok, I know everyone is right to be suspicious of "I'm in the know, honestly" posts but I'm just passing on what a good friend told me this morning. 1) The manager is frequently "too tired" or "a little unwell". 2) Peter Grant hasn't a scooby and commands zero respect at all from the players. 3) The older players really do give a damn and are shocked at how deeply unprofessional the current management team are. 4) The SFA are aware of all this but simply don't care, just as long as people keep buying tickets. A lot of pish ? Quite probably. But I am beginning to think there might be a smidgen of truth behind one or two of those claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 18 minutes ago, scotlad said: Does anyone know what Tierney's injury is? This is beyond a joke now. Definitely a problem behind the scenes we don't know about, there has to be. I gave the benefit of the doubt that Tierney was maybe allowed to miss the Portugal game as he’s had a lot of games and wasn’t really needed. Pulling out of 2 competitive games on the eve of the 1st looks a bit like he’s got wind he’s not starting or isn’t happy with the role he’s being asked to play and thought “fuck that”. I may be wrong, we’ll see how he has recovered by next weekend... I feel a bit for Mcleish, I don’t know whether it’s him or the nations league players can’t get behind? But he’s working with his hands tied at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, sbcmfc said: I gave the benefit of the doubt that Tierney was maybe allowed to miss the Portugal game as he’s had a lot of games and wasn’t really needed. Pulling out of 2 competitive games on the eve of the 1st looks a bit like he’s got wind he’s not starting or isn’t happy with the role he’s being asked to play and thought “fuck that”. I may be wrong, we’ll see how he has recovered by next weekend... I feel a bit for Mcleish, I don’t know whether it’s him or the nations league players can’t get behind? But he’s working with his hands tied at the moment. Going to controversial here, but have a look at Tierney's twitter account, shitloads of stuff from Celtic, nothing about representing Scotland from what I can see. Find it quite strange as quite a lot in the group mention the pride of being picked, or even retweet/like comments about playing for Scotland Edited November 16, 2018 by Bobby Russell's Lovechild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwhitelaw Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 This is brutal! I honestly can't believe i'm dreading a game against Albania ffs! We should, at an absolute minimum, be expecting 4 points from these 2 games, 6 points really if rankings are to be believed! The crazy thing is if we do get less than that from these games it would look really harsh to consider sacking McLeish thanks to all these calls offs. The whole SFA board to GTF as soon as humanly possible! It's utterly embarrassing considering how well we were doing under Strachan a year ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bobby Russell's Lovechild said: Going to controversial here, but have a look at Tierney's twitter account, shitloads of stuff from Celtic, nothing about representing Scotland from what I can see. Find it quite strange as quite a lot in the group mention the pride of being picked, or even retweet/like comments about playing for Scotland It's not mandatory for our internationals to be gushing about Scotland all the time on twitter or facebook is it ? Tierney seemed really excited and honoured when he was made Scotland captain for that one game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JECK Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, kwhitelaw said: This is brutal! I honestly can't believe i'm dreading a game against Albania ffs! We should, at an absolute minimum, be expecting 4 points from these 2 games, 6 points really if rankings are to be believed! The crazy thing is if we do get less than that from these games it would look really harsh to consider sacking McLeish thanks to all these calls offs. The whole SFA board to GTF as soon as humanly possible! It's utterly embarrassing considering how well we were doing under Strachan a year ago! It's utterly ridiculous, I'm fuming about this.We simply have to qualify for 2020 and the sfa have gone and appointed Mcleish and Peter grant. Just think about that for a moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: It's not mandatory for our internationals to be gushing about Scotland all the time on twitter or facebook is it ? Tierney seemed really excited and honoured when he was made Scotland captain for that one game. I did say it was controversial 😉 Just find it quite strange he gushes about playing for his boyhood club (as he should) but absolutely nothing about his country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chripper Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bobby Russell's Lovechild said: I did say it was controversial 😉 Just find it quite strange he gushes about playing for his boyhood club (as he should) but absolutely nothing about his country I wouldn't say that it was controversial. He probably wanted to play for Ireland instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 If the above comments on the "conspiracy" Who are our older players? And if its true the SFA are only concerned with the money coming in, our recent home attendances will surely get them taking note. Less than 20k to watch Portugal Less than 18k to watch us play Albania Less than 21k to watch us play Belgium Less than 21k to watch us play Costa Rica 80k total Compared with 47k to watch us play Slovakia 26k to watch us play Malta 48k to watch us play England 20k to watch us play Slovenia 141K total Now I would expect there to be less interest in friendlies and UEFA nations league games over World Cup Qualifiers, but almost half? Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyD Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 50 minutes ago, Bobby Russell's Lovechild said: Going to controversial here, but have a look at Tierney's twitter account, shitloads of stuff from Celtic, nothing about representing Scotland from what I can see. Find it quite strange as quite a lot in the group mention the pride of being picked, or even retweet/like comments about playing for Scotland A 21 year old with a dozen caps isn't committed enough? Come on.If he was a sicknote, fair enough. But he turns up basically all the time. Let's not let frustration at the situation make us turn on players who don't deserve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyD Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, romanticscot said: If the above comments on the "conspiracy" Who are our older players? And if its true the SFA are only concerned with the money coming in, our recent home attendances will surely get them taking note. 80k total Compared with 141K total Now I would expect there to be less interest in friendlies and UEFA nations league games over World Cup Qualifiers, but almost half? Ouch. I imagine the reason they keep going for big nations is that they think it's more attractive for people to come watch. What they seemt o have missed is that we'd actually like to see the country win a game once in a while, and getting stuffed without touching the ball isnt exactly a great watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 34 minutes ago, Chripper said: I wouldn't say that it was controversial. He probably wanted to play for Ireland instead. Funnily enough, he does retweet someone who has changed his nationality to Manx on wiki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyD Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 hour ago, RenfrewBlue said: You can't turn back a lynch mob without overriding evidence. Some folk won't be happy until McLeish is sacked, even if he gets us to the Euros. Exactly what Pasta said. Don't think McLeish was the guy, but if he'd come in and we'd carried on where we left off under Strachan, but with some new blood in the squad. If we look coherent and organised then I'd be behind him. The reason I'm not behind him right now is that we're a mess. We don't have a system. Something is up with the players. Results are bad. His pressers are mostly incoherent. There's nothing to suggest that we're going to be in a good place going into the new qualifying campaign. Things are significantly worse than when Strachan was let go. If he can turn it around then great. What he's done so far suggests there's no real hope of that tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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