McTeeko Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, Texas Pete said: Now that was also a shite performance. Especially considering our results in that campaign. Aye. I thought you were comparing the two performances under McLeish - Georgia in 07 and last Thursday. Georgia under Strachan gets filed in the same category right enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWMM82 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 hours ago, vanderark14 said: Why play for a manager like burley? You don’t, you play for your country and you give everything you’ve got for it. It’s not about money, your club or the manager it’s about you’re country. This is something that’s some gotten completely lost among players and the fans over that the last twenty years. This 100%! Think about the players 20+ years who never got capped, but would’ve probably done anything to represent our country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 50 minutes ago, McTeeko said: Aye. I thought you were comparing the two performances under McLeish - Georgia in 07 and last Thursday. Georgia under Strachan gets filed in the same category right enough. Nah I just meant that Thursday’s match, whilst god awful, wasn’t any worse than Tbilisi 2015. I mean it’s a close run thing and debatable but given the red card, OG, slightly better opposition and the fact we actually had a couple of shots on target, I would say the Georgia performance was marginally worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Has anyone noticed that in both post match interviews eck seem a bit off? As in confused and rambling. I am not trying to be nasty here but to me there seems something wrong with him, i hope i am wrong, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padre Andrew Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 There were a couple of theories discussed after the game, neither of which would be good news for Eck. Changing planes on the way home someone checked his phone and announced that Eck had resigned. Obviously not true but this news was cheered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 11 hours ago, vanderark14 said: I’m not ignoring facts, you’ve presented stuff as fact when it’s not and you’ve ignored some utter nonsense he’s spouted too, like his recent ramblings about Aberdeen fans. youve no way of knowing why those Aberdeen players were picked for that pittodrie game so that’s not a fact. If they were picked for the pittodrie game only, why is Shinnie still being picked or McKenna? Boyd spouts opinions not facts and he does it to get a reaction, he’s just like Chris Sutton. They both think they’re calling it as it is but they’re not! Id never doubt or criticise boyds ability to hit the back of the net, I was in the camp that wanted him playing for us but I will criticise his attitude under burley. Why play for a manager like burley? You don’t, you play for your country and you give everything you’ve got for it. It’s not about money, your club or the manager it’s about you’re country. This is something that’s some gotten completely lost among players and the fans over that the last twenty years. By taking the huff these players disrespected the national team and it’s fans who pay a lot of money to travel far and wide supporting Scotland. This has always been my view. Stewarty’s making a tit of himself with his defence of that arsehole Boyd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) If we dont top Group C and McLeish does the honorable thing and quits - then I expect his replacement to be Davie Moyes. 5 years ago I figured he would not be interested in this role until another 10 years but now he would likely love the chance to manage Scotland, 5 years ago I would have loved to have the guy but now not so sure but compared to Mcleish ....I'll take him. Hang on, I did not realize Paul Lambert was a flop at Stoke and they dropped him in the summer so surly he is another guy would be keen on the job. Edited October 15, 2018 by romanticscot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COLT NY Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) This is all a bit ironic, considering that this site was flooded this time last year with people spitting blood about Strachan, and going on about all the brilliant youngsters we had waiting on the wings to take us to glory. McLeish has done exactly that, removing all the "deadwood" and after a few bad results he seems to be deadwood himself. The reality is that the standard of our domestic league over the last 5 years is poorer than its been in living memory, and the standard of the national team is really no different. However, I think domestic football has the potential right now to improve with Hearts, Hibs and Rangers all at least starting to get their act together. We still have a long way to go though, and the financial structures of modern football are designed to hurt countries like ours. The only thing that's going to improve the Scotland team in the long term is for a couple of superstars (starting for Champions league last 16 level) to emerge. If that happens, they bring the rest of the team along with them. We haven't had that (or a decent striker that wants to play for us) for over 20 years now. Those are the reasons we haven't qualified. This isn't an attempt to admonish Strachan or McLeish. I would have sacked Strachan for his comment about genetics, and I think we'd be best shot of McLeish tomorrow to be honest. The other missing piece is an energetic and honest manager who is truly driven to make a difference. Our next appointment should be someone young and hungry. Someone who is willing to spend every minute of the week scouting the opposition, planning tactics and plotting what we need from every game (and every friendly arrangement) to advantage us the most. Someone who's willing to admit when a performance doesn't meet expectations as well, and demands better of the players in the future rather than looking to downplay expectations. At the moment, I think the Scotland job is seen as a semi-retirement position for legends that have seen better days and come with massive egos where they can't admit their own mistakes. He also needs to be someone that understands his role in terms of getting all the players on-side. McLeish just said he hadn't spoken to Darren Fletcher until a few weeks ago. What's he been doing all this time? By this stage he should have been working on a relationship with all currently available players past and present including under 21s, whether he has them as part of his plans or not. Players like Leigh Griffiths are too important to Scotland to allow them to go in a huff. He should have been managed through the decision not to start him against Albania, in the same way as he's no doubt managed through the same thing at Celtic. There seems to be an issue over communication with the players, and the next coach needs to be all about that. If we sacked McLeish and went for someone like Paul Lambert, who has all the inspiration of a turtle, then we might as well lock it up and go home. If it weren't for his baggage, I actually think Neil Lennon would be a great choice. Edited October 15, 2018 by COLT NY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkieRobRoy Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I think McLeish is picking the right players, like Strachan didn't until it was too late, but seems unable to get the best out of them and in some cases is actually antagonising them. Not a good place to be. Lambert and Moyes, aye. Do we really only want guys who seek the Scotland job once they're unemployable anywhere else? In fact, I doubt if Moyes would take it - still delusions of grandeur, waiting for the call from some Champions' League outfit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee-toon-red Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 4 hours ago, COLT NY said: If it weren't for his baggage, I actually think Neil Lennon would be a great choice. Came on to post similar, with one exception - I'm not even bothered about the baggage, I think Lennon would be a brilliant Scotland manager and would probably take the job if offered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolling hIlls Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, wee-toon-red said: Came on to post similar, with one exception - I'm not even bothered about the baggage, I think Lennon would be a brilliant Scotland manager and would probably take the job if offered. We still have a manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest faircity Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Said ages ago I think Lennon would be a great pick as manager but straight away you would have a large section of fuckwits who would be out to get him for their own twisted reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolling hIlls Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, faircity said: Said ages ago I think Lennon would be a great pick as manager but straight away you would have a large section of fuckwits who would be out to get him for their own twisted reasons. Please explain. I have the utmost respect for Lennon and what he has come through. I dont like aeroplanes though. The very word terminal gives me shudders! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, faircity said: Said ages ago I think Lennon would be a great pick as manager but straight away you would have a large section of fuckwits who would be out to get him for their own twisted reasons. I'd take Lennon as boss in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest faircity Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, Rolling hIlls said: Please explain. I have the utmost respect for Lennon and what he has come through. I dont like aeroplanes though. The very word terminal gives me shudders! Just shrug them and everything will be okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: I'd take Lennon as boss in a heartbeat. I’d rather have yours! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotlandWintheWorldCup Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 7 hours ago, COLT NY said: The other missing piece is an energetic and honest manager who is truly driven to make a difference. Our next appointment should be someone young and hungry. Someone who is willing to spend every minute of the week scouting the opposition, planning tactics and plotting what we need from every game (and every friendly arrangement) to advantage us the most. Someone who's willing to admit when a performance doesn't meet expectations as well, and demands better of the players in the future rather than looking to downplay expectations. 7 hours ago, COLT NY said: f we sacked McLeish and went for someone like Paul Lambert, who has all the inspiration of a turtle, then we might as well lock it up and go home. If it weren't for his baggage, I actually think Neil Lennon would be a great choice. Totally agree. Energetic, honest, young & hungry. Those are exactly what we need. Yes - N.Lennon, M.O'Neil, J.McNamara, D.McInnes What Lennon and O'Neil have overachieved with Hibs and NI show what great managers they are. Always thought McNamara did a great job bringing the youngsters through at DUtd. And McInnes has improved Aberdeen immensely. No - Moyes (would take the job as long as an Eng team doesn't ask first) Eff off back there then. Lambert - Personality transplant, but was an amazing player, you would think it would have rubbed off on as a manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotlandWintheWorldCup Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I actually thought Paul Hartley was a great manager with what he did at Alloa, back to back promotions but seems to have plateaued since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Said it then and saying it now, should've stuck with Strachan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Mcinnes - Id say I’m 50/50 on whether he would do well or whether I want him to stay at afc mcnamara - is that some sort of sick joke? He’s as much use as a set of spam wiper blades moyes - agreed he would jump ship quickly lennon - yes I’d take him. We need someone with fire who’s not afraid to stand up to others. I doubt he’d take it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 38 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: Mcinnes - Id say I’m 50/50 on whether he would do well or whether I want him to stay at afc mcnamara - is that some sort of sick joke? He’s as much use as a set of spam wiper blades moyes - agreed he would jump ship quickly lennon - yes I’d take him. We need someone with fire who’s not afraid to stand up to others. I doubt he’d take it Clarke before any of them if it has to be someone connected to our game like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hannibal smith Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ormond said: Clarke before any of them if it has to be someone connected to our game like that. I would agree Clarke before any of them but I would much prefer a foreigner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Paul dickov will be appointed before the end of 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, bonny78 said: Paul dickov will be appointed before the end of 2020 Spam fucking tastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, kumnio said: Spam fucking tastic Not been wrong yet. Predicted we d draw England and that it would be 2-2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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