er yir macaroon Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 31 minutes ago, Texas Pete said: How many times have I heard that over the years with diffferent teams? I hope the players aren’t as complacent. So do I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Bookies have us as 2/1 underdogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 On 10/2/2018 at 2:49 PM, andyD said: Call me old, but i want players to learn to play at their clubs, while the national side is used to play the team most likely to get a result. That is old thinking. Thinking of the era when we had top quality in our side such as Dalglish, Souness, Jordan, Miller, McLeish etc etc etc and the youngsters could afford to be blooded until ready. This is a different age now. We do not have experienced top quality international players cramming to get into the side - quite the opposite actually hence the potential top quality youngsters have to get rail-roaded straight into the side. And, do you know what? It is a system that has worked for Wales to their benefit so it can work for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borojock Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Im not saying the info below means anything but just thought it was interesting Out of the current squads selected this week the % of players born outside of the country they are representing is Wales - 48% Rep Ire - 43.75% N.I. - 32% Scot - 13% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 4 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: That is old thinking. Thinking of the era when we had top quality in our side such as Dalglish, Souness, Jordan, Miller, McLeish etc etc etc and the youngsters could afford to be blooded until ready. This is a different age now. We do not have experienced top quality international players cramming to get into the side - quite the opposite actually hence the potential top quality youngsters have to get rail-roaded straight into the side. And, do you know what? It is a system that has worked for Wales to their benefit so it can work for us. Ethan Ampadu a good example. Not made an appearance for Chelsea in the league and he has a few caps & was capped at 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksburnDandy Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 45 minutes ago, borojock said: Im not saying the info below means anything but just thought it was interesting Out of the current squads selected this week the % of players born outside of the country they are representing is Wales - 48% Rep Ire - 43.75% N.I. - 32% Scot - 13% Fantastic work @borojock - I wouldn't use the stat for anything other than being interested in it, but that is surprising we are currently quite low in terms of players being born elsewhere. For our squad, KT, Scott McTominay and Oli McBurnie are the non Scottish born Scots. Th likes of Chris Martin and Matt Ritchie appear to be phased out while Cairney and Phillips are injured. Even with Cairney and Phillips included, it would only be 21% of the squad, which is quite low in comparison to our Celtic cousins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 24 minutes ago, ProudScot said: Ethan Ampadu a good example. Not made an appearance for Chelsea in the league and he has a few caps & was capped at 17 Pretty sure Wales have capped youngsters yet to make their full debuts for their clubs and they did well enough at the last Euros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Caledonian Craig said: Pretty sure Wales have capped youngsters yet to make their full debuts for their clubs and they did well enough at the last Euros. I know I’m agreeing with you. We would rather call up Jock McTavish from Dundee who’s 32 because he’s played 300 SPL games and “isn’t that bad” than Billy Gilmour for example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borojock Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 24 minutes ago, ProudScot said: I know I’m agreeing with you. We would rather call up Jock McTavish from Dundee who’s 32 because he’s played 300 SPL games and “isn’t that bad” than Billy Gilmour for example Jock has had a cracking start to the season formed a great partnership with Hamish "old timer" McSporran Get them both called up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 1 hour ago, ProudScot said: I know I’m agreeing with you. We would rather call up Jock McTavish from Dundee who’s 32 because he’s played 300 SPL games and “isn’t that bad” than Billy Gilmour for example Again, this is the previous regime. You’ve yet to retrieve your toys from the vicinity if your pram despite all available evidence pointing to youth now being heavily promoted, and not just in the full squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 1 hour ago, ProudScot said: I know I’m agreeing with you. We would rather call up Jock McTavish from Dundee who’s 32 because he’s played 300 SPL games and “isn’t that bad” than Billy Gilmour for example I know. Football is different to how it was even ten years ago. There have been players who now crack international football before club football. Aaron Ramsey was a prime example where he had only played a dozen games at Championship level before debuting for Wales and by the time he had played two dozen games he was a regular for Wales and scoring for them. In his case international form really kick started his club career. It certainly happens in other cases too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyCraig Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Why is Barry Bannan not being considered by no one. He is genuinely on fire at the moment. An absolute class act for Sheffield Wednesday sometimes single handedly keeping them in games and always running things. A midfield with Bazza and Mcginn is a dream come true. And yet the little maestro never gets a mention, it's criminal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 1 hour ago, TommyCraig said: Why is Barry Bannan not being considered by no one. He is genuinely on fire at the moment. An absolute class act for Sheffield Wednesday sometimes single handedly keeping them in games and always running things. A midfield with Bazza and Mcginn is a dream come true. And yet the little maestro never gets a mention, it's criminal. Well mainly because we are well stacked in midfield at the moment with players playing at a higher level such as Fraser, McDonald, McGregor and Armstrong. Why is he being overlooked for McGinn? Well Bannan had a run in the team under Strachan and didn't quite make the same impact in the team as McGinn has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 2 hours ago, TommyCraig said: Why is Barry Bannan not being considered by no one. He is genuinely on fire at the moment. An absolute class act for Sheffield Wednesday sometimes single handedly keeping them in games and always running things. A midfield with Bazza and Mcginn is a dream come true. And yet the little maestro never gets a mention, it's criminal. Cos he’s beyond shite and proved so about 20 times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borojock Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 i see the Isreali striker scored against Celtic twice tonight didnt watch the game so dont know if he had a good game but hopefully someone in the Scotland camp has had him watched as hes scored a few goals this season will be a threat a week tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 I would say he has not been used in the right role personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningtings Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 50 minutes ago, borojock said: i see the Isreali striker scored against Celtic twice tonight didnt watch the game so dont know if he had a good game but hopefully someone in the Scotland camp has had him watched as hes scored a few goals this season will be a threat a week tonight Agreed, he looks dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Some people are really underestimating Israel I fear. Btw did anyone else see that utter bollocks the Daily Record were touting ? Apparently the TA are demanding en masse that Leigh Griffiths be thrown out the Scotland team. What utter pish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Scotlandfan Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 35 minutes ago, runningtings said: Agreed, he looks dangerous. 29 goals last season and 15 already this season! But only 1 goal (9 caps) for Israel coming 4 years ago against Andorra. Got to hope he hasn’t integrated in to their team for whatever reason. I guess the guy Hemed at QPR was/is their number 1 striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 23 hours ago, ceudmilefailte said: Bookies have us as 2/1 underdogs I’ll have £20 on that I think. Israel aren’t far off those odds either with the few bookies I’ve checked. I think the bookies fancy a draw or a narrow Israel victory. Can’t really blame them based our away record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 11 hours ago, TommyCraig said: Why is Barry Bannan not being considered by no one. He is genuinely on fire at the moment. An absolute class act for Sheffield Wednesday sometimes single handedly keeping them in games and always running things. A midfield with Bazza and Mcginn is a dream come true. And yet the little maestro never gets a mention, it's criminal. If bannan is on form then Sheffield Wednesday look like a completely different team. He is genuinely a class act who should be in our squad imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, mccaughey85 said: If bannan is on form then Sheffield Wednesday look like a completely different team. He is genuinely a class act who should be in our squad imo. He's had lots of good spells for Wednesday, but he is another player to put in the "whatever the reason cant reproduce it for Scotland" basket. Good a player as Forrest is should probably put him in there too. Edited October 5, 2018 by ceudmilefailte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Roll call for current squad - any call offs yet? I was telling myself I was not going to say this but Ronaldo is not in the Portugal squad. it might give us false hope but I would love a good performance against them and to avoid defeat. Anytime we have played anyone of a top end caliber we usually get a right hiding. I will the first to admit it, if we do get a hiding I will be on here saying this game didn't matter :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, romanticscot said: I was telling myself I was not going to say this but Ronaldo is not in the Portugal squad. it might give us false hope but I would love a good performance against them and to avoid defeat. Anytime we have played anyone of a top end caliber we usually get a right hiding. I will the first to admit it, if we do get a hiding I will be on here saying this game didn't matter That made me go and do some googling on the last time we played Portugal just out of curiosity to see how we did. 20/11/2002. Beaten 2-0 by them in Braga, both goals scored before twenty minutes were on the clock. Big Rab Douglas saved a penalty kick and Russell Anderson had to be taken off on a stretcher. BBC match report here. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/scotland/2493105.stm Our team was - Robert Douglas (Celtic), Russell Anderson (Aberdeen), Maurice Ross (Rangers), Steven Pressley (Hearts), Christian Dailly (West Ham), Lee Wilkie (Dundee), Graham Alexander (Preston), Stephen Crawford (Dunfermline), Scott Dobie (West Brom), Paul Lambert [c] (Celtic), Gary Naysmith (Everton) Subs were: Derek McInnes (West Brom) for Anderson (24), Paul Devlin (Birmingham City) for Ross (HT), Gareth Williams (Nott'm Forest) for Lambert (68), Kevin Kyle (Sunderland) for Dobie (78), Scott Severin (Hearts) for Lee Wilkie (83). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 1 hour ago, ErsatzThistle said: That made me go and do some googling on the last time we played Portugal just out of curiosity to see how we did. 20/11/2002. Beaten 2-0 by them in Braga, both goals scored before twenty minutes were on the clock. Big Rab Douglas saved a penalty kick and Russell Anderson had to be taken off on a stretcher. BBC match report here. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/scotland/2493105.stm Our team was - Robert Douglas (Celtic), Russell Anderson (Aberdeen), Maurice Ross (Rangers), Steven Pressley (Hearts), Christian Dailly (West Ham), Lee Wilkie (Dundee), Graham Alexander (Preston), Stephen Crawford (Dunfermline), Scott Dobie (West Brom), Paul Lambert [c] (Celtic), Gary Naysmith (Everton) Subs were: Derek McInnes (West Brom) for Anderson (24), Paul Devlin (Birmingham City) for Ross (HT), Gareth Williams (Nott'm Forest) for Lambert (68), Kevin Kyle (Sunderland) for Dobie (78), Scott Severin (Hearts) for Lee Wilkie (83). 7 defenders. Must have been a 7-1-2 formation. Paul Lambert must have been fukin knackered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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