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On 11/3/2018 at 12:33 PM, buckielugger said:

I have paid a special interest in Liechtenstein ever since our trip there 7 years ago. Apart from the game, had a lovely few days in the Principality with my gf.  Such a friendly place.

And one other little bit of (non-football) info, I believe the Crown Princess there, Sophie, is the current legitimate Jacobite line of descent...(or due to be the next one when her uncle dies)...

Sophie Queen of Scots ?? 😏

(She was at our game there)

Who was she supporting?

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Stu101 said:

Think thats us right behind Serbia now?

Yup. .250 behind, so if RSB lose their last game, they won’t pick up any more points in Europe this year.

If Celtic or Rangers pick up a draw between them, it’s a tie for the fabled 19th place. Not sure what the decider would be if they finish level, but that is how it would stand. If the Scottish teams pick up anything more than that and the Serbs lose at home to PSG, 19th place is pretty much secure. PSG need at least a point to be sure of qualification I think.

18th is Cyprus (just under 2.5 points ahead, both teams going out but have final matches where they could pick up points). May be a bridge too far this season unless someone gets to the QFs which would mean not only points picked up for good results in the round of 32, but also a bonus point for reaching that far.

I don’t really like football. I just love the coefficients system.

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49 minutes ago, Duncan Blackheart said:

Yup. .250 behind, so if RSB lose their last game, they won’t pick up any more points in Europe this year.

If Celtic or Rangers pick up a draw between them, it’s a tie for the fabled 19th place. Not sure what the decider would be if they finish level, but that is how it would stand. If the Scottish teams pick up anything more than that and the Serbs lose at home to PSG, 19th place is pretty much secure. PSG need at least a point to be sure of qualification I think.

18th is Cyprus (just under 2.5 points ahead, both teams going out but have final matches where they could pick up points). May be a bridge too far this season unless someone gets to the QFs which would mean not only points picked up for good results in the round of 32, but also a bonus point for reaching that far.

I don’t really like football. I just love the coefficients system.

Rankings will differ based on when bonus points for reaching the next round are added. 

Do you add as soon as points are guaranteed? Or at the end of match day 6? 

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1 minute ago, PASTA Mick said:

Rankings will differ based on when bonus points for reaching the next round are added. 

Do you add as soon as points are guaranteed? Or at the end of match day 6? 

After group stage finishes. However, I can’t cite a source for that. Best bet is Bert Kassies’ site.

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After five group matches. In response to the question about when bonus points get added, I'm fairly certain it's when the stage finishes too.

I've included the bonus points that will be added after the group stages in brackets for countries that have teams who have qualified for the Champions League knockout stage (twelve of sixteen teams are confirmed) to show the impact that those points will have. There are no bonus points for the Europa League until the quarter-finals.

  1. Spain - 94.141 (96.284)
  2. England - 71.606 (73.034)
  3. Italy - 70.726 (72.154)
  4. Germany - 66.499 (68.642)
  5. France - 54.665
  6. Russia - 49.383
  7. Portugal - 43.632 (44.632)
  8. Belgium - 38.300
  9. Ukraine - 37.900
  10. Turkey - 33.800
  11. Austria - 29.650
  12. Netherlands - 29.233 (30.233)
  13. Denmark - 27.025
  14. Greece - 27.000
  15. Switzerland - 26.300
  16. Croatia - 26.125
  17. Czech Rep - 25.575
  18. Cyprus - 24.675
  19. Serbia - 22.250
  20. Scotland - 22.125
  21. Belarus - 20.875
  22. Sweden - 20.400
  23. Norway - 19.950
  24. Kazakhstan - 19.250
  25. Poland - 19.250
  26. Israel - 19.000
  27. Azerbaijan - 19.000
  28. Bulgaria - 17.250
  29. Romania - 15.950
  30. Slovakia - 15.125
  31. Slovenia - 15.000
  32. Liechtenstein - 13.500
  33. Hungary - 10.250
  34. Macedonia - 8.000
  35. Moldova - 7.750
  36. Albania - 7.500
  37. Ireland - 7.450
  38. Finland - 7.275
  39. Iceland - 7.250
  40. Bosnia - 7.125
  41. Lithuania - 6.750
  42. Latvia - 5.625
  43. Luxembourg - 5.250
  44. Armenia - 5.250
  45. Malta - 5.125
  46. Estonia - 5.000
  47. Georgia - 4.750
  48. Wales - 4.125
  49. Montenegro - 4.125
  50. Faroe Is - 4.000
  51. Gibraltar - 4.000
  52. N Ireland - 3.875
  53. Kosovo - 2.500
  54. Andorra - 1.831
  55. San Marino - 0.666

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A win or two draws on Thursday night sees Scotland into the much fabled 19th position. Serbia papped out of Europe tonight, so we’d definitely finish above them if we pick up those points. Unlikely anyone else will finish above us if we get there, too. Unlikely, but not impossible!

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11 hours ago, Duncan Blackheart said:

A win or two draws on Thursday night sees Scotland into the much fabled 19th position. Serbia papped out of Europe tonight, so we’d definitely finish above them if we pick up those points. Unlikely anyone else will finish above us if we get there, too. Unlikely, but not impossible!

What does 19th get you?

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1 minute ago, sbcmfc said:

What does 19th get you?

I believe it's a place in the second qualifying round of the Champions League, rather than the first.

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39 minutes ago, sbcmfc said:

What does 19th get you?

Basically eff all. It's the equivalent of your boss letting you come in at 10am and giving you an extra hour in your bed.

Edited by Tartan_McCole

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7 minutes ago, Tartan_McCole said:

Basically eff all. It's the equivalent of your boss letting you come in at 10am and giving you an extra hour in your bed.

Well. This season maybe. But we've earned more points this season than Greece (14th) has earned in any of the past five. 14th would get us an extra Champions League spot, so it's a sign of progress being made.

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3 minutes ago, Clyde1998 said:

Well. This season maybe. But we've earned more points this season than Greece (14th) has earned in any of the past five. 14th would get us an extra Champions League spot, so it's a sign of progress being made.

Aye, I can fully appreciate the long term gain for this if we keep it up. In the short term it's eff all though.

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46 minutes ago, Clyde1998 said:

Well. This season maybe. But we've earned more points this season than Greece (14th) has earned in any of the past five. 14th would get us an extra Champions League spot, so it's a sign of progress being made.

How many points would we need to get up to 14th? (And how many do we have so far this season?)

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13 hours ago, Duncan Blackheart said:

A win or two draws on Thursday night sees Scotland into the much fabled 19th position. Serbia papped out of Europe tonight, so we’d definitely finish above them if we pick up those points. Unlikely anyone else will finish above us if we get there, too. Unlikely, but not impossible!

Potential ignorance here, but wouldn't 1 draw be enough? 1 point divided by 4 would be 1/4 of a point, and we only need 1/8 of a point to draw level with Serbia.

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22 minutes ago, Fairbairn said:

How many points would we need to get up to 14th? (And how many do we have so far this season?)

Just shy of 5 points. Currently Celtic and Rangers will receive 0.5pts if either of them win, 0.25pts if either of them draw. Would be looking for an Old Firm Europa League final to be hitting those heights:lol: Actually, you get bonus points for hitting the quarters, semis and finals, so an Old Firm quarter final show down should see us shoot up the rankings. Easy peasy.

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3 minutes ago, Fairbairn said:

How many points would we need to get up to 14th? (And how many do we have so far this season?)

My spreadsheet is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1thIAAcmXqreI529IccUBDJ57FtK4rkgDilAuD0-0itc/edit?usp=sharing

Greece are on 27.000 points in total. Our points this season is 6.750 - which is the equivalent of a quarter of Greece's total. Greece still have two teams in the Europa League; both on whom are in the position to drop out of the competition. We won't reach 14th this season, but there's an outside chance that we could reach it next season.

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5 hours ago, Tartan_McCole said:

 

Potential ignorance here, but wouldn't 1 draw be enough? 1 point divided by 4 would be 1/4 of a point, and we only need 1/8 of a point to draw level with Serbia.

Good point! Was still thinking it was a point for a win and .5 for a draw.

Just checking if anyone was reading.

 

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Following the group stages (Teams in CL/EL shown in brackets):

  1. Spain - 97.569 (3/4)
  2. England - 75.606 (4/2)
  3. Italy - 72.297 (2/3)
  4. Germany - 70.070 (3/2)
  5. France - 57.498 (2/1)
  6. Russia - 49.716 (0/2)
  7. Portugal - 45.832 (1/2)
  8. Belgium - 39.300 (0/2)
  9. Ukraine - 38.100 (0/2)
  10. Turkey - 34.000 (0/2)
  11. Netherlands - 30.633 (1/0)
  12. Austria - 30.450 (0/2)
  13. Greece - 27.400 (0/1)
  14. Switzerland - 27.100 (0/1)
  15. Denmark - 27.025
  16. Czech Rep - 26.775 (0/2)
  17. Croatia - 26.375 (0/1)
  18. Cyprus - 25.175
  19. Serbia - 22.250
  20. Scotland - 22.125 (0/1)
  21. Belarus - 21.375 (0/1)
  22. Sweden - 20.900 (0/1)
  23. Norway - 20.200
  24. Kazakhstan - 19.250
  25. Poland - 19.250
  26. Israel - 19.000
  27. Azerbaijan - 19.000
  28. Bulgaria - 17.500
  29. Romania - 15.950
  30. Slovakia - 15.625
  31. Slovenia - 15.000
  32. Liechtenstein - 13.500
  33. Hungary - 10.500
  34. Macedonia - 8.000
  35. Moldova - 7.750
  36. Albania - 7.500
  37. Ireland - 7.450
  38. Finland - 7.275
  39. Iceland - 7.250
  40. Bosnia - 7.125
  41. Lithuania - 6.750
  42. Latvia - 5.625
  43. Luxembourg - 5.500
  44. Armenia - 5.250
  45. Malta - 5.125
  46. Estonia - 5.000
  47. Georgia - 4.750
  48. Wales - 4.125
  49. Montenegro - 4.125
  50. Faroe Is - 4.000
  51. Gibraltar - 4.000
  52. N Ireland - 3.875
  53. Kosovo - 2.500
  54. Andorra - 1.831
  55. San Marino - 0.666

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I think if Celtic do get through the next round, they win a whole extra point for Scotland on top of whatever they pick up while going through. 

Belarus have BATE Borisov in next round; Sweden have Malmö. Both in Europa League.

Cypriot teams all out.

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Judging by how far outclassed they were, I'd say Celtic's hopes of getting through the next round will depend very heavily on who they draw. 

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1 minute ago, RenfrewBlue said:

Judging by how far outclassed they were, I'd say Celtic's hopes of getting through the next round will depend very heavily on who they draw. 

There aren't many teams left as good as the side we played tonight. However, most of the teams we can get will start as favourites.

We badly need a left winger and 2 forwards in January but it's tricky to sign good players that haven't already played in the competition. 

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5 hours ago, PASTA Mick said:

We badly need a left winger and 2 forwards in January but it's tricky to sign good players that haven't already played in the competition. 

Not that hard, you’ve probably got 5 guys who would’ve been star players in the SPFL who haven’t played in Europe on your books. 😂

Wheres Paul Slane these days? :lol:

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