Duncan Blackheart Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I think both 19th and 17th mean that (the downside, if you like, is that it means less opportunity to get points on the board by beating a rubbish team from somewhere like Luxembourg or Liechtenstein. Oh, er...). Don’t think Serbia will pick up any more points, as RSB have to go to Napoli then play Liverpool and PSG twice, but u never know. BATE Borisov probably will pick up points as they have videoton and PAOK at home and are playing well domestically. if we catch anyone, I reckon it will be Serbia, but we’d have to get some really good results - not sure we will having seen Celtic last night v the supposedly worst team in the group. Add .5 to our overall total when a Scottish club wins, .25 when they draw and I can’t quite see it. However, here’s hoping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Duncan Blackheart said: I think both 19th and 17th mean that (the downside, if you like, is that it means less opportunity to get points on the board by beating a rubbish team from somewhere like Luxembourg or Liechtenstein. Oh, er...). Don’t think Serbia will pick up any more points, as RSB have to go to Napoli then play Liverpool and PSG twice, but u never know. BATE Borisov probably will pick up points as they have videoton and PAOK at home and are playing well domestically. if we catch anyone, I reckon it will be Serbia, but we’d have to get some really good results - not sure we will having seen Celtic last night v the supposedly worst team in the group. Add .5 to our overall total when a Scottish club wins, .25 when they draw and I can’t quite see it. However, here’s hoping. I accept your argument about less games against the worst teams but the main points come from reaching the group stages and the easier that is for our sides, the better. There is something not clicking with Celtic at the moment but I'm sure it will. I think we will get through the group but we will need to win our 2 home matches and get something in Norway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Amazing to see what the two teams have achieved for Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Rangers unbeaten in 9 Euro games this season. That must be some sort of record? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan_McCole Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Duncan Blackheart said: I think both 19th and 17th mean that (the downside, if you like, is that it means less opportunity to get points on the board by beating a rubbish team from somewhere like Luxembourg or Liechtenstein. Oh, er...). Considering the small stature of the opponents, I actually think it works as a benefit to some extent to get some actual match sharpness. I'm perhaps only talking about Celtic here, but I'd rather have a warm up qualifier against the Armenian champions than get caught cold going in to play Rosenborg in the first qualifier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Tartan_McCole said: Considering the small stature of the opponents, I actually think it works as a benefit to some extent to get some actual match sharpness. I'm perhaps only talking about Celtic here, but I'd rather have a warm up qualifier against the Armenian champions than get caught cold going in to play Rosenborg in the first qualifier. I tend to agree, especially this season for Rangers. Our qualifiers got steadily harder and that has definitely helped build the squad confidence up and sort out the best team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 On 8/17/2018 at 1:54 PM, Scotty CTA said: Both out, please. How Christian of you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 10 hours ago, Fairbairn said: Rangers unbeaten in 9 Euro games this season. That must be some sort of record? A quick look at the Wee Red Book shows that both Rangers in 98-99 and Aberdeen in 82-83 had 9 game runs before losing for the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Italy have overtaken England tonight into 2nd place. Doesn't really matter with the new format but nice to see anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redz Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Fuck the coefficient 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Don’t worry lads, we’ll keep the fires burning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 On 9/21/2018 at 10:55 AM, jcs said: How Christian of you You think that's the issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) Up to 20th. Serbia are the team ahead of us now. Two wins and a draw (from the 8+ games) more than Red Star get from their tough 4 games should see us move ahead of them. Edited October 4, 2018 by PASTA Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan Blackheart Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 (edited) Need to keep an eye on Israel and Norway, as they go above us next season, barring something extraordinary. Want them to lose matches, so Celtic beating Rosenborg in Norway (stop laughing) would be good. What would it take for England not to have 4 teams in the champions league under the new format? I take it that it’s basically impossible unless they have a sustained meltdown over a few years? Edited October 5, 2018 by Duncan Blackheart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Duncan Blackheart said: Need to keep an eye on Israel and Norway, as they go above us next season, barring something extraordinary. Want them to lose matches, so Celtic beating Rosenborg in Norway (stop laughing) would be good. What would it take for England not to have 4 teams in the champions league under the new format? I take it that it’s basically impossible unless they have a sustained meltdown over a few years? I might be misunderstanding it, but with the new set up, because they get points just for being in the champions league, you’d probably need all 4 teams to get pumped 6 times for 3 straight seasons to lose a place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share Posted October 28, 2018 (edited) Full update after the first three group matches: Spain - 91.284 England - 69.034 Italy - 68.583 Germany - 64.070 France - 52.998 Russia - 47.549 Portugal - 42.032 Belgium - 36.700 Ukraine - 36.700 Turkey - 32.600 Netherlands - 28.633 Austria - 28.250 Denmark - 26.775 Greece - 26.600 Switzerland - 26.300 Croatia - 25.375 Czech Rep - 24.975 Cyprus - 23.425 Serbia - 21.750 Scotland - 20.875 Belarus - 20.375 Sweden - 19.900 Norway - 19.700 Poland - 19.250 Israel - 19.000 Kazakhstan - 18.750 Azerbaijan - 18.500 Bulgaria - 16.750 Romania - 15.950 Slovenia - 15.000 Slovakia - 14.875 Liechtenstein - 13.500 Hungary - 9.750 Macedonia - 8.000 Moldova - 7.750 Albania - 7.500 Ireland - 7.450 Finland - 7.275 Iceland - 7.250 Bosnia - 7.125 Lithuania - 6.750 Latvia - 5.625 Luxembourg - 5.250 Armenia - 5.250 Malta - 5.125 Estonia - 5.000 Georgia - 4.750 Wales - 4.125 Montenegro - 4.125 Faroe Is - 4.000 Gibraltar - 4.000 N Ireland - 3.875 Kosovo - 2.500 Andorra - 1.831 San Marino - 0.666 Edited October 28, 2018 by Clyde1998 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share Posted October 28, 2018 On 10/5/2018 at 7:44 AM, Duncan Blackheart said: What would it take for England not to have 4 teams in the champions league under the new format? I take it that it’s basically impossible unless they have a sustained meltdown over a few years? England would have to lose (roughly) an average of four points a season to the French (5th) - the equivalent of twelve more French wins a season or fourteen less English wins - over the five year period. Note that five bonus points are awarded per club for reaching the CL knockout phase, and an additional point per round after reaching the quarter-finals for both competitions, which would likely reduce the actual number of wins difference between the countries. In practise, it's basically impossible without England having a sustained meltdown and another country outside the top four, most likely France, having sustained form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckielugger Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Terrific work, Clyde. Liechtenstein's ranking is pretty impressive btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 On 10/31/2018 at 7:29 PM, buckielugger said: Terrific work, Clyde. Liechtenstein's ranking is pretty impressive btw. Thank you. Liechtenstein are a bit of an odd case, as they don't have a national league - only a cup (like Wales circa 1992). As a result of this, only their cup winners get a place in Europe and their coefficient is only based on what that team does, rather than being based on an average performance of three or four teams like other small nations. All their (seven) teams play in the Swiss league, with FC Vaduz playing in the Swiss top flight in recent years (I think three of the last four seasons), are therefore professional and playing against a higher standard of opponent on a weekly basis than clubs in other small nations would. Additionally, they would have financial backing that they wouldn't receive in a Liechtenstein league. Other sides in Liechtenstein are in the fourth tier or below and are semi-pro. Vaduz are really far ahead of the other teams in Liechtenstein - winning 46 of 73 Liechtenstein cups and all but two since 1995. Although that being said, for Liechtenstein to be in the high 30s is still very impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan_McCole Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 12 hours ago, Clyde1998 said: Thank you. Liechtenstein are a bit of an odd case, as they don't have a national league - only a cup (like Wales circa 1992). As a result of this, only their cup winners get a place in Europe and their coefficient is only based on what that team does, rather than being based on an average performance of three or four teams like other small nations. All their (seven) teams play in the Swiss league, with FC Vaduz playing in the Swiss top flight in recent years (I think three of the last four seasons), are therefore professional and playing against a higher standard of opponent on a weekly basis than clubs in other small nations would. Additionally, they would have financial backing that they wouldn't receive in a Liechtenstein league. Other sides in Liechtenstein are in the fourth tier or below and are semi-pro. Vaduz are really far ahead of the other teams in Liechtenstein - winning 46 of 73 Liechtenstein cups and all but two since 1995. Although that being said, for Liechtenstein to be in the high 30s is still very impressive. Genuinely never knew that about teams from Liechtenstein. Interesting stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckielugger Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 I have paid a special interest in Liechtenstein ever since our trip there 7 years ago. Apart from the game, had a lovely few days in the Principality with my gf. Such a friendly place. And one other little bit of (non-football) info, I believe the Crown Princess there, Sophie, is the current legitimate Jacobite line of descent...(or due to be the next one when her uncle dies)... Sophie Queen of Scots ?? 😏 (She was at our game there) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Red Star beating Liverpool yesterday was a blow to our chances of catching up with Serbia, who are the country about us at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted November 8, 2018 Author Share Posted November 8, 2018 After four group matches - countries in orange will see all their remaining teams eliminated after the group stages: Spain - 92.855 England - 70.320 Italy - 69.583 Germany - 65.356 France - 53.498 Russia - 48.383 Portugal - 42.832 Belgium - 37.300 Ukraine - 37.100 Turkey - 33.200 Austria - 28.850 Netherlands - 28.833 Denmark - 27.025 Greece - 27.000 Switzerland - 26.300 Croatia - 25.875 Czech Rep - 25.175 Cyprus - 23.675 Serbia - 22.250 Scotland - 21.375 Belarus - 20.375 Sweden - 20.150 Norway - 19.950 Kazakhstan - 19.250 Poland - 19.250 Israel - 19.000 Azerbaijan - 19.000 Bulgaria - 17.000 Romania - 15.950 Slovenia - 15.000 Slovakia - 14.875 Liechtenstein - 13.500 Hungary - 10.250 Macedonia - 8.000 Moldova - 7.750 Albania - 7.500 Ireland - 7.450 Finland - 7.275 Iceland - 7.250 Bosnia - 7.125 Lithuania - 6.750 Latvia - 5.625 Luxembourg - 5.250 Armenia - 5.250 Malta - 5.125 Estonia - 5.000 Georgia - 4.750 Wales - 4.125 Montenegro - 4.125 Faroe Is - 4.000 Gibraltar - 4.000 N Ireland - 3.875 Kosovo - 2.500 Andorra - 1.831 San Marino - 0.666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, Clyde1998 said: After four group matches - countries in orange will see all their remaining teams eliminated after the group stages: Spain - 92.855 England - 70.320 Italy - 69.583 Germany - 65.356 France - 53.498 Russia - 48.383 Portugal - 42.832 Belgium - 37.300 Ukraine - 37.100 Turkey - 33.200 Austria - 28.850 Netherlands - 28.833 Denmark - 27.025 Greece - 27.000 Switzerland - 26.300 Croatia - 25.875 Czech Rep - 25.175 Cyprus - 23.675 Serbia - 22.250 Scotland - 21.375 Belarus - 20.375 Sweden - 20.150 Norway - 19.950 Kazakhstan - 19.250 Poland - 19.250 Israel - 19.000 Azerbaijan - 19.000 Bulgaria - 17.000 Romania - 15.950 Slovenia - 15.000 Slovakia - 14.875 Liechtenstein - 13.500 Hungary - 10.250 Macedonia - 8.000 Moldova - 7.750 Albania - 7.500 Ireland - 7.450 Finland - 7.275 Iceland - 7.250 Bosnia - 7.125 Lithuania - 6.750 Latvia - 5.625 Luxembourg - 5.250 Armenia - 5.250 Malta - 5.125 Estonia - 5.000 Georgia - 4.750 Wales - 4.125 Montenegro - 4.125 Faroe Is - 4.000 Gibraltar - 4.000 N Ireland - 3.875 Kosovo - 2.500 Andorra - 1.831 San Marino - 0.666 Serbia are pretty much done as well. I'm not sure we will catch either of Serbia or Cyprus but if both Celtic and Rangers somehow do make the next round we will be pretty close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 19 hours ago, PASTA Mick said: Serbia are pretty much done as well. I'm not sure we will catch either of Serbia or Cyprus but if both Celtic and Rangers somehow do make the next round we will be pretty close. I think the next group games will pretty much be the deciders. 2 wins and they will both be favourites to get through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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