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Michael Johnston came on and was an instant threat. This kid has talent, however, he's not going to progress if he just gets a few minutes here and there. Burke was decent, but I don't think he can play as a long striker. If anything I'd play him as a false number 9 (free role) or just behind the striker. He needs space from the defense to be able to stretch his legs.

As far as the referee suspicions go, why do people (Not just Celtic fans) suspect referees of bias each and every time that they make a mistake? Why not use the same rules with players? Scott Sinclair missed a sitter from 2 yards out, why is he not suspected of bias? What about his penalty "miss"? 

Every human being in the world makes mistakes, apparently in football players and managers are immune to criticism, but whenever a ref makes a mistake it's labelled as sinister.

(And I can't believe I have to say this, but I am not a Rangers fan. Just a pre-emptive disclaimer. I dislike Rangers as much as I dislike Celtic.)

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8 hours ago, Chripper said:

Michael Johnston came on and was an instant threat. This kid has talent, however, he's not going to progress if he just gets a few minutes here and there. Burke was decent, but I don't think he can play as a long striker. If anything I'd play him as a false number 9 (free role) or just behind the striker. He needs space from the defense to be able to stretch his legs.

As far as the referee suspicions go, why do people (Not just Celtic fans) suspect referees of bias each and every time that they make a mistake? Why not use the same rules with players? Scott Sinclair missed a sitter from 2 yards out, why is he not suspected of bias? What about his penalty "miss"? 

Every human being in the world makes mistakes, apparently in football players and managers are immune to criticism, but whenever a ref makes a mistake it's labelled as sinister.

(And I can't believe I have to say this, but I am not a Rangers fan. Just a pre-emptive disclaimer. I dislike Rangers as much as I dislike Celtic.)

There is only one set of fans and team who complain about refs.  therefsareallmasons.co.uk .  The rest of us know that refs do their best and make honest mistakes.  But don't mention that to the bhoys.  Every ref is against them. Ask Macy, he knows that it's a fact.

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1 hour ago, Rolling hIlls said:

There is only one set of fans and team who complain about refs.  therefsareallmasons.co.uk .  The rest of us know that refs do their best and make honest mistakes.  But don't mention that to the bhoys.  Every ref is against them. Ask Macy, he knows that it's a fact.

Every set of fans complain about Refs. 

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12 hours ago, Chripper said:

Michael Johnston came on and was an instant threat. This kid has talent, however, he's not going to progress if he just gets a few minutes here and there. Burke was decent, but I don't think he can play as a long striker. If anything I'd play him as a false number 9 (free role) or just behind the striker. He needs space from the defense to be able to stretch his legs.

As far as the referee suspicions go, why do people (Not just Celtic fans) suspect referees of bias each and every time that they make a mistake? Why not use the same rules with players? Scott Sinclair missed a sitter from 2 yards out, why is he not suspected of bias? What about his penalty "miss"? 

Every human being in the world makes mistakes, apparently in football players and managers are immune to criticism, but whenever a ref makes a mistake it's labelled as sinister.

(And I can't believe I have to say this, but I am not a Rangers fan. Just a pre-emptive disclaimer. I dislike Rangers as much as I dislike Celtic.)

One hell of a wanky phrase alert there....

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4 hours ago, Rolling hIlls said:

There is only one set of fans and team who complain about refs.  therefsareallmasons.co.uk .  The rest of us know that refs do their best and make honest mistakes.  But don't mention that to the bhoys.  Every ref is against them. Ask Macy, he knows that it's a fact.

Any arrests made yet??

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1 minute ago, Rolling hIlls said:

Arresting 60000 fans would be a tough job.  Best to let them keep complaining when they get beat.  Cannytakeit.com.complain. Dot dot.  You got over yer humping yet Macy?  Big Ramy is blanking it out but you are still blaming the referee.  eejit 😪

Who blamed a referee? I’m only asking if any arrests have been made in the light of the alleged death threats that the MSM relayed to us.....none yet I take it??

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1 minute ago, macy37 said:

Who blamed a referee? I’m only asking if any arrests have been made in the light of the alleged death threats that the MSM relayed to us.....none yet I take it??

Loony.  The said referee had to get a police escort to the game the following week because of death threats.  But you don't believe that so no point in discussing bhoyo.  It's all lies.  Loony.

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15 minutes ago, Rolling hIlls said:

Loony.  The said referee had to get a police escort to the game the following week because of death threats.  But you don't believe that so no point in discussing bhoyo.  It's all lies.  Loony.

That serious absolutely no arrests have been made. Funny that eh? Anyone would think none of this actually happened...

 

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8 hours ago, Rolling hIlls said:

Arresting 60000 fans would be a tough job.  Best to let them keep complaining when they get beat.  Cannytakeit.com.complain. Dot dot.  You got over yer humping yet Macy?  Big Ramy is blanking it out but you are still blaming the referee.  eejit 😪

RH. You do talk some shyte btw. My God, 1-0 is not a humping..FFS. as for the ref, he is out to nail us. Cheating bastirt. It's no sour grapes, we were beaten fair and square, we played terrible. The ref let Morales off. FACT!! The entire SFA will do everything they can to stop 10IAR. FACT.. 

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17 hours ago, Rolling hIlls said:

There is only one set of fans and team who complain about refs.  therefsareallmasons.co.uk .  The rest of us know that refs do their best and make honest mistakes.  But don't mention that to the bhoys.  Every ref is against them. Ask Macy, he knows that it's a fact.

I'm a neutral, so I can say this, Rangers and Celtic are both insanely paranoid about refs.

I do admit, though, Celtic fans may edge it a little bit. More than once I've called a Rangers fan after giving my honest opinion, I've also see a few other people being accused of Rangers, too. It's strange, seems like you have a choice not to criticize any half of the Old Firm (Lest be accused of supporting the other half) or you criticize both, simultaneously.

Ask Macy? I would, but he's always being absolutely vile towards me. No idea why as I don't even know who they hell he is. So yeah, when I get  tired of not being insulted for absolutely no reason I'll get in touch with him. :P

Macy is a Rangers fan? If you want to bestow the virtues of Rangers fans, don't cite him, as I think he's a little bit... mentally challenged. In all seriousness.

43 minutes ago, Big Ramy 1314 said:

The entire SFA will do everything they can to stop 10IAR. FACT.. 

Again, as a complete neutral, if the officials were against Celtic then you wouldn't win every tournament going. If they were against you then the refs wouldn't make the odd "mistake", they'd make EVERY decision against you.

Why don't Rangers and Celtic just give it a rest. They're different cheeks of the same arse, the sooner they either leave Scottish football or just shut the fuck up, the better off all of us will be. Fact.

No offence against you personally. :)

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On ‎1‎/‎20‎/‎2019 at 12:49 AM, Chripper said:

Every human being in the world makes mistakes, apparently in football players and managers are immune to criticism, but whenever a ref makes a mistake it's labelled as sinister.

My main gripe is that they are nearly always unwilling to be accountable for their errors.

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2 hours ago, Tartan_McCole said:

My main gripe is that they are nearly always unwilling to be accountable for their errors.

Is any official in any sport held accountable, though? Tennis refs aren't interviewed at the end of matches to explain why they made a bad call. And yes, they do make mistakes sometimes by over-ruling line judges.

In the NFL the refs are mic'd up and everything, but I cannot think of a sport where the officials are under so much pressure as football officials. What makes our situation even more ridiculous is our refs aren't professional, so why should they under so much scrutiny? We don't ask our manager or players why they make mistakes, and they get paid fortunes. We don't question players or managers because they're human beings, for some reason football fans don't humanize referees.

In England the refs are professional, and they aren't under the same scrutiny as Scottish refs. They also have VAR in England, which as we've seen recently, can be open to interpretation/mistakes.

I'm honestly surprised that Scottish refs have never went on strike. 

People here know about football, right? (Although I am starting to wonder, some people don't know the mechanics of a 12 month rolling contract. I'm not kidding) Would anyone here volunteer to be a part-time ref in Scotland? I wouldn't.

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56 minutes ago, Chripper said:

Is any official in any sport held accountable, though? Tennis refs aren't interviewed at the end of matches to explain why they made a bad call. And yes, they do make mistakes sometimes by over-ruling line judges.

In the NFL the refs are mic'd up and everything, but I cannot think of a sport where the officials are under so much pressure as football officials. What makes our situation even more ridiculous is our refs aren't professional, so why should they under so much scrutiny? We don't ask our manager or players why they make mistakes, and they get paid fortunes. We don't question players or managers because they're human beings, for some reason football fans don't humanize referees.

In England the refs are professional, and they aren't under the same scrutiny as Scottish refs. They also have VAR in England, which as we've seen recently, can be open to interpretation/mistakes.

I'm honestly surprised that Scottish refs have never went on strike. 

People here know about football, right? (Although I am starting to wonder, some people don't know the mechanics of a 12 month rolling contract. I'm not kidding) Would anyone here volunteer to be a part-time ref in Scotland? I wouldn't.

I'm not asking for them to put their hands up for every missed throw in, play-on or wrongly called goal kick. A bit of accountability at a match (or season) defining moment would earn them a little bit of grace with the pitchfork wielding masses though.

In tennis you've got your hawkeye and England you've got your VAR, so there's less of a chance of human error (and god knows we all fall victim to it) defining a big incident.

Managers and players have press conferences around the clock in which they need to justify how they are going about their business.

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3 minutes ago, Tartan_McCole said:

I'm not asking for them to put their hands up for every missed throw in, play-on or wrongly called goal kick. A bit of accountability at a match (or season) defining moment would earn them a little bit of grace with the pitchfork wielding masses though.

In tennis you've got your hawkeye and England you've got your VAR, so there's less of a chance of human error (and god knows we all fall victim to it) defining a big incident.

Managers and players have press conferences around the clock in which they need to justify how they are going about their business.

Maybe you aren't, but the lunatic fringe are. They tend to forget when a decision goes for their team and tend to magnify when decisions go against them. I think that's a fair point, only if they go professional, though. I don't see why they shouldn't be professional, I mean, without refs there wouldn't be any matches.

I was watching a tennis match last week (Can't remember between who) when the Umpire wrongly over-ruled a line judge, only for the player who was at the brunt of the decision to challenge it. It was then overturned. But imagine if the player was out of challenges? The mistake would've been set-in-stone without the Umpire being grilled over it.

I suppose managers get asked why he's picking this and that player, etc, but players don't get grilled about why they missed an open goal or why a player gave away a penalty, etc.

Even if referee robots were created fans would still accuse them of showing bias.

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45 minutes ago, Chripper said:

I suppose managers get asked why he's picking this and that player, etc, but players don't get grilled about why they missed an open goal or why a player gave away a penalty, etc.

No really the same though, is it?

Why did you miss that open goal, Sinclair? I wasn't concentrating as I was tired seeing as it was the 90th minute.

Referee getting questioned would be able to say he didn't have a great view, wasn't 100% so couldn't give it, interpreted it differently from others, and so on. Getting the referee's side of events would be interesting.

100% agree with you about their status though.

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