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12 minutes ago, exile said:

Or, the conspiracy card.

Even the simplest thing, like the Moon, whose craters can be seen with your own eyes through your own telescope, are accused of somehow being fake. 

Yet when we ask for evidence of (say) the circular hinge where the supposed ice platform meets the metallic vault, we are told that the evidence cannot be shown because it is hidden from us by unseen evil treaty forces!

So, conveniently, the conspiracy always seems to (a) deny scientists' physical evidence that actually exists, while (b) serve as an excuse for the lack of physical evidence of the supernatural alternative. 

So this way the conspiracy card can at any point simply be played to win any argument.  So, at this point, debate is futile.

As Feynman said about UFO's

i find it much more likely to be the irrational actions of terrestrials than the rational actions of extra-terrestrials

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34 minutes ago, phart said:

Yeah that's why I don't play anymore. No point if they're certain no way to change mind.

Sure, though those who continue to play are not necessarily trying to convince the other side, but maybe playing to the gallery or whoever out there might be still listening or open to persuasion. 

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10 minutes ago, exile said:

Sure, though those who continue to play are not necessarily trying to convince the other side, but maybe playing to the gallery or whoever out there might be still listening or open to persuasion. 

And maybe they just think that utter bollocks shouldn't go unchallenged.

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