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1 minute ago, Tartan_McCole said:

Big man was honking last night. It's frightening how poor his first touch can be, and the less said about his miss from 4 yards out the better.

He did snatch at a few and should probably have had a brace from what i saw of the game.

Probably his worst game for Celtic. Wonder if it's related to having been benched for the previous 2. Maybe feels a little tense as he really needs to make the appearance count due to the strong competition for a starting spot. Certainly seemed like he rushed and snatched at a few.

Wouldn't write him off on the basis of one game, but does maybe tell us something about his mentality. Believe in him and he'll believe in himself and play well. Make him compete and fight to be in the side and you get a worse player. Suggests he might suit being a big player for a smaller club, at least until he's proven himself over a season. Worth remembering he's not played a lot of football in any one place yet.

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4 minutes ago, andyD said:

He did his hamstring, and seemingly felt it in training the other day, so he's not got a return date right now. Fingers crossed he gets back before the end of the season, but better to be safe than sorry where hamstrings are concerned.

Be interesting to see where he ends up next season, hopefully not rotting away in some Portuguese teams reserves.

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2 minutes ago, Rab The Crab said:

Be interesting to see where he ends up next season, hopefully not rotting away in some Portuguese teams reserves.

He's still got a year left on his deal at Sporting, right? So.. potentially another loan. Sporting midfield is still really strong, so he's unlikely to break in there, and coming to Hibs suggests he's looking to play football more than anything right now. Rangers or mid-table Championship seem likely. Rangers might be the best, tho part of me would like him to keep away from players with the mentality of Morelos.

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54 minutes ago, PASTA Mick said:

Charlie Gilmour of Arsenal is a player that needs to start getting first team football soon.

Still only 20 bu starting to fall behind others of the same age that are playing regularly. 

What makes you think that?
Starter for Arsenal u23s, and sometimes captain, plus a couple of Europa League appearances for the senior side late last year.

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On ‎4‎/‎4‎/‎2019 at 1:08 PM, andyD said:

What makes you think that?
Starter for Arsenal u23s, and sometimes captain, plus a couple of Europa League appearances for the senior side late last year.

Oh, lovely. Reserve team football. Call him up!

Players don't learn anything from reserve team football. 

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28 minutes ago, Chripper said:

Oh, lovely. Reserve team football. Call him up!

Players don't learn anything from reserve team football. 

Know any players that have come through the ranks at their clubs rather than going on loan? Think you will make a pretty decent England team if you do.

The "he needs a move and start playing regularly" is really just a last chuck of the dice for a player who is not living up to expectations.

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4 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said:

Know any players that have come through the ranks at their clubs rather than going on loan? Think you will make a pretty decent England team if you do.

The "he needs a move and start playing regularly" is really just a last chuck of the dice for a player who is not living up to expectations.

I think the ratio Is 50/50. I can think of as many players that have come through the ranks at their club as I can playing going out on loan.

No. A player can only really grow if they're exposed to real competition against seasoned professions on a weekly basis. Just look at how many players learned their trade going on loan to Scottish clubs, it kinda worked out for James Maddison, he even cited playing on loan in Scotland as the making of him. A player won't learn anything in reserve football.

Why do you think Rangers have pretty much scrapped their participation in the reserve league? instead they've set up matches against youth teams of world class clubs. They're learning more playing against foreign players and clubs of a higher standard.

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16 minutes ago, Chripper said:

Eight Scots started the Hearts Vs Hibs match, which sums things up perfectly.

Tierney is starting and it would appear that Oliver Burke has met yet another manager who doesn't think he's very good, as he's on the bench.

 

It is a disgrace that Hearts and Hibs can't even manage a team of Scots between them in the Edinburgh Derby

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52 minutes ago, bazmidd said:

It is a disgrace that Hearts and Hibs can't even manage a team of Scots between them in the Edinburgh Derby

Very much so.

I would suggest the SFA should bring in a limit of foreign players or a homegrown rule, but we all know that the SFA just don't do anything.

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3 hours ago, bazmidd said:

It is a disgrace that Hearts and Hibs can't even manage a team of Scots between them in the Edinburgh Derby

A disgrace that even mediocre foreigners are better than Scottish players? If so what can you do, restrict teams from playing the best available players.

This is not a SFA problem, we're just not very good at football.

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On 4/4/2019 at 11:10 AM, Third Lanark said:

Right - now I thought that under Fifa rules, clubs had to release players for competitive internationals. And I thought they couldn't play for their clubs under the 48 hour rule? Could you see this happen to Engerlund?

It did actually few weeks ago....Southgate contacted Man. United, they told him Lingard was unfit for their next game and so Southgate left him out of the squad...Lingard then played 80 minutes at Wolves.

Think the Fifa rule is players have to travel to countries and have scans so it can be shown these are genuine injuries. Wilfred Zaha had to go to Ivory Coast last break for their medical team to have a look at him.

If it's deemed the injury is not genuine then the national teams can appeal to Fifa to have players banned from next club game.

With S. Fletcher there seems to have been a massive breakdown in communication somewhere along the line.

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On 4/4/2019 at 11:20 AM, andyD said:

But which players?

Daniel James seems to have been a regular for Swansea by the time he was capped.
Tyler Roberts had spent several years out on loan and was a Leeds first team player when he was capped.
Ampadu had been out playing games at Exeter City before he was capped.
Ben Woodburn made his senior Liverpool debut before his Wales debut.
Harry Wilson made his Wales debut 2 and a half years before kicking a competitive football for a club side. But it was purely an exercise in securing him, as he was then never seen again in a Wales shirt until 5 years later, 18 month after he made his Liverpool debut.

So, i think the only one is.. Matt Smith, who had only played u21s for Man City when he was capped, but he's still a fringe player for Wales it seems, he's only played in one of their last 4 games, despite now starting every week for Twente.

Giving young players an opportunity to be in squads is one thing, and that was something i liked about Strachan. He called up a series of young players just to have them about the squad and give them an incentive, as well as capping some kids with potential. If we'd called up Gilmour instead of Fleck and Bannan in the last squad, just to give him the experience of going away and taking a look at his level of development up close then cool. That makes sense to me.

But putting Gilmour and Hornby into the starting 11 is just plain crazy.. and it's not the kind of thing that even Wales does.
 

They gave Hennessey a regular game from 2006...at the time he was on loan at Stockport and only started playing week in week out for Wolves in 2008.

Chris Gunter moved from Cardiff to Spurs in 2008 and warmed the bench for a few years there...Wales still were giving him caps and he's now on 90 +.

Ashley Williams was at Stockport when he made his debut around that time. Then moved up the leagues with Swansea.

All key players in their euro 2016 run.

Only crux is Wales were never in contention to qualify from 2006 right up to start of euro 2016 qualifying so you're talking of a process that took pretty much a decade for the whole potential of the squad to be realised and that is with world class players like Bale and Ramsey in that group.

Would take a very brave person from SFA to say o.k we'll blood loads of young players but it will take another decade to actually qualify when people have been waiting for over 20 years...

Main issue for me watching last few games is there dosen't seem to be settled or clear idea of play...it's neither a fast paced counter attack game which could be possible if you had the likes of Robertson, Fraser, Phillips and Burke all actually fit at the same time or a gritty defensive style game which was apparent in the Craig Brown and Walter Smith eras and got results.

The style atm is very much a muddle so you get middling results.

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1 hour ago, ceudmilefailte said:

This is not a SFA problem

The French FA established Clairefontaine in 1988. Do you want me to list the truly world class and great players that came out of that place? I hope not as I'd be here all bloody day!

When did the SFA decide to get off their ass and establish performance schools? 2015? Yeah, well, too little too late for my liking. And now a few people are noting that our kids are looking comfortable on the ball. This is no coincidence. It should've happened decades ago, and if it had then we wouldn't be in the jam that we're In now.

It's not just the SFA to blame, as the Old Firm are to blame, too, as well as all of the other top clubs that are self-serving and selfish.

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6 hours ago, mrniaboc said:

Brilliant goal for McGinn according to radio. 

McGinn been a superstar by all accounts in that league in his debut season in England. He was also one of many who struggled in Kazakhstan obviously. We just need the right manager to get the best out of him. Would he make the Ni, wales and Roi squads and play? I think the answer is unequivocally yes

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2 minutes ago, JECK said:

McGinn been a superstar by all accounts in that league in his debut season in England. He was also one of many who struggled in Kazakhstan obviously. We just need the right manager to get the best out of him. Would he make the Ni, wales and Roi squads and play? I think the answer is unequivocally yes

Graeme Dorrans was also a superstar for one season in the Championship.

It didn't translate to the EPL or international football. Hell, he even struggled in the SPL.

if McGinn does it in the EPL against the top 6 teams then we should all take notice, until that time comes, a big who cares?

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10 hours ago, Chripper said:

Graeme Dorrans was also a superstar for one season in the Championship.

It didn't translate to the EPL or international football. Hell, he even struggled in the SPL.

if McGinn does it in the EPL against the top 6 teams then we should all take notice, until that time comes, a big who cares?

If we only took notice of players that perform well against the top 6 in England we wouldn't be able to put out a team for 5-a-side. 

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13 hours ago, ceudmilefailte said:

A disgrace that even mediocre foreigners are better than Scottish players? If so what can you do, restrict teams from playing the best available players.

This is not a SFA problem, we're just not very good at football.

Are they really better though? In my opinion it is blindingly obvious that they are not. Hearts had two young boys in Cochrane and Mcdonald who looked far better last season than the dross Levein has replaced them with this season. And what does playing these average foreigners over Scottish players actually achieve for these clubs? Where does it get Hearts, Hibs or Aberdeen. If rules were in place for x amount of Homegrown Players in a squad they would still end up with some of the best Scottish players around outside the Old Firm. They would still end up in the top six and pushing for semi finals and finals of the cups. They would still be doing exactly what they are doing now but with the benefit of doing it with Scottish players. It is not rocket science. More Scottish Players playing football gives more chance of Scottish players improving. I'm not saying banish all foreigners, foreign players are good for the game if they are significantly better than what we have aka Laudrup, Larsson. But Peter bloody Haring, cmon eh. The FA have recognised the exact same problem down south and have already moved to introduce the home grown player rule for 25 man squads where 8 must be homegrown by clubs between 15 and 21. This is to be changed now to 12 players per 25 squad must be homegrown by clubs between 15 and 18. This rule must be introduced here if we have any chance of Scottish players coming through on a regular basis. It is not fair to say a young Scottish player is not better than this foreigner or that when they don't even get a chance. 

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11 hours ago, Chripper said:

Graeme Dorrans was also a superstar for one season in the Championship.

It didn't translate to the EPL or international football. Hell, he even struggled in the SPL.

if McGinn does it in the EPL against the top 6 teams then we should all take notice, until that time comes, a big who cares?

A big who cares about a player getting huge plaudits and driving his team towards promotion to the EPL? Just Google his name and read the articles about him. The Daily Star (And I am sorry to quote them) have an article today saying that Villa owe their promotion push to him more than to Grealish or Abraham. 

Although my argument might be completely undermined by quoting the Daily Star!

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1 hour ago, bazmidd said:

Are they really better though? In my opinion it is blindingly obvious that they are not. Hearts had two young boys in Cochrane and Mcdonald who looked far better last season than the dross Levein has replaced them with this season. And what does playing these average foreigners over Scottish players actually achieve for these clubs? Where does it get Hearts, Hibs or Aberdeen. If rules were in place for x amount of Homegrown Players in a squad they would still end up with some of the best Scottish players around outside the Old Firm. They would still end up in the top six and pushing for semi finals and finals of the cups. They would still be doing exactly what they are doing now but with the benefit of doing it with Scottish players. It is not rocket science. More Scottish Players playing football gives more chance of Scottish players improving. I'm not saying banish all foreigners, foreign players are good for the game if they are significantly better than what we have aka Laudrup, Larsson. But Peter bloody Haring, cmon eh. The FA have recognised the exact same problem down south and have already moved to introduce the home grown player rule for 25 man squads where 8 must be homegrown by clubs between 15 and 21. This is to be changed now to 12 players per 25 squad must be homegrown by clubs between 15 and 18. This rule must be introduced here if we have any chance of Scottish players coming through on a regular basis. It is not fair to say a young Scottish player is not better than this foreigner or that when they don't even get a chance. 

Surely they must be better as they are playing ahead of their Scottish counterparts or are football managers like lemmings?

I can't work out how the English plan will work. The top teams will still buy the best foreign players they can afford and will be forced into buying the best and most promising English players to make up their squads. Is this good for English football in the long term? Are Man City and the likes going to be told they are only allowed 13 foreigners in their squads if the ruling is increased ? Even championship teams with any ambition?  All sounds great but won't happen as far as I can see. Would work in the lower leagues or Scotland? I suppose if the teams agree to it. Will that happen?

 

 

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