Third Lanark Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 12 hours ago, Hertsscot said: Iirc they were like that with Fletcher for a long time as well. Is it because they're Scottish - or because they didn't cost anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 8 hours ago, Third Lanark said: Is it because they're Scottish - or because they didn't cost anything? Its not the latter because they were quite happy with Lingard and Rashford. I genuinely do think a lot of English football fans hold Scottish players in contempt. There have been so few who have made any sort of impact at the big clubs, Andrew Robertson is very much the exception. Once upon a time Man Utd had loads of Scots in he first team but there have been very few regulars since the 80s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chripper Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, Hertsscot said: Its not the latter because they were quite happy with Lingard and Rashford. I genuinely do think a lot of English football fans hold Scottish players in contempt. There have been so few who have made any sort of impact at the big clubs, Andrew Robertson is very much the exception. Once upon a time Man Utd had loads of Scots in he first team but there have been very few regulars since the 80s. 100% correct. I was having this debate a couple days ago with someone in this place. Nationality does make a difference when it comes to transfer fees. We all know how great Tierney is, if he were Italian or German or English and he were playing in a top league then an EPL club would splash out £25m+ at the drop of a hat. But because he's Scottish, playing in the SPL and being untested, an English team would never splash out £15m+ on a Scottish based Scot. Just look at Van Dijk and Andy Robertson, one goes for £13m and the other goes for £3. Now they're both at the same club and both are equally adored by the fans. There's a complete contempt towards Scottish players/football from English football people. Most of it is justified, as Scottish football is a hot steaming mess from top to bottom. It's not completely justified, though, as the SPL is good at turning decent players into good ones and the SPL is about the same standards as the English Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils4oyarder Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 22 hours ago, Third Lanark said: Is it because they're Scottish - or because they didn't cost anything? I think its more to do with them not being 'flashy' and/or playing in an unfashionable position...the defensive central midfield position is one that goes unnoticed by most followers of fitba', until someone else highlights it for them, or the player is unavailable for a period of time. Then they realise their worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Rampant Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 13 hours ago, Hertsscot said: Its not the latter because they were quite happy with Lingard and Rashford. I genuinely do think a lot of English football fans hold Scottish players in contempt. There have been so few who have made any sort of impact at the big clubs, Andrew Robertson is very much the exception. Once upon a time Man Utd had loads of Scots in he first team but there have been very few regulars since the 80s. Lingard has got plenty of stick from United fans, even now he's still not embraced the way that other players are or have been. Lingard has scored at least 3 or 4 major goals in cup finals and cup semi finals but for some reason he was still getting panned and was considered not good enough. If McTominay keeps playing the way he has in the past 2 games then it won't be long before he's considered as a viable long term option for that team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Rampant Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 http://www.redcafe.net/threads/scott-mctominay-2018-19-performances.440088/page-33 Will give an insight into some fan's current opinion of McTominay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyBlueScot Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Lion Rampant said: http://www.redcafe.net/threads/scott-mctominay-2018-19-performances.440088/page-33 Will give an insight into some fan's current opinion of McTominay. "Carrickesque". Blimey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyD Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Looks very very comfortable to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV6TAqaTjE4 Very calm on the ball, retention is good, physical but fair, draws a lot of fouls, keeps his head with Batshuayi and Zaha at him, and zips some nice low balls thru to the forwards (the kind of thing Fletch would work well off). If we have lost Christie then I'd be perfectly happy to see him in along side McGregor and Armstrong moved forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chripper Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, andyD said: Very calm on the ball, retention is good, physical but fair, draws a lot of fouls, keeps his head with Batshuayi and Zaha at him, and zips some nice low balls thru to the forwards (the kind of thing Fletch would work well off). Correct. Ball retention wise he's the best in our squad. He rarely gives it away. His attitude is also something that I like and also something he shares with Fletch. He's humble, down to earth and he'll willing to learn and listen. And as for Redcafe, so many of the people there are knee-jerk. For a year or so they've been saying that he's a championship player with no future at United, now after 2 good games he's Carrickesque. Bloody hell. They still have an English flag next to his picture, that tells you all you have to know about that place. Edited March 1, 2019 by Chripper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 McTominay starts again. Armstrong and Paterson both on the bench again for relegation battlers these days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Mcburnie goal. Good option to have if we need a goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Jack Harper starts against Cordoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrniaboc Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 20 minutes ago, bigfingers said: Mcburnie goal. Good option to have if we need a goal. Yup. It's getting hard to ignore his stats. He'll be thinking he's made a case for starting, and he may be right! Good to see Snoddy starting again this evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, mrniaboc said: McTominay starts again. Armstrong and Paterson both on the bench again for relegation battlers these days... More positive comments: Edit: Teaches me for only reading first 3-4 comments, most on there are slagging him off....🙄 http://www.redcafe.net/threads/mctominay-so-rare-for-a-youngster-to-come-through-an-academy-and-straight-into-the-pl-as-ready-made.445456/ I saw something a while ago on here that bemused me and made me double read to check if that had actually been written....are there really parts of the Tartan Army that think he's some sort of attacking midfielder?! Edited March 2, 2019 by Tartan Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 12 minutes ago, Tartan Chris said: More positive comments: Edit: Teaches me for only reading first 3-4 comments, most on there are slagging him off....🙄 http://www.redcafe.net/threads/mctominay-so-rare-for-a-youngster-to-come-through-an-academy-and-straight-into-the-pl-as-ready-made.445456/ I saw something a while ago on here that bemused me and made me double read to check if that had actually been written....are there really parts of the Tartan Army that think he's some sort of attacking midfielder?! Chripper says he can play the Archie Gemmill role Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted March 2, 2019 Author Share Posted March 2, 2019 🔥🔥 Forrest 🔥🔥 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chripper Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 1 hour ago, ParisInAKilt said: Chripper says he can play the Archie Gemmill role Indeed I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chripper Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Tartan Chris said: More positive comments: Edit: Teaches me for only reading first 3-4 comments, most on there are slagging him off....🙄 http://www.redcafe.net/threads/mctominay-so-rare-for-a-youngster-to-come-through-an-academy-and-straight-into-the-pl-as-ready-made.445456/ I saw something a while ago on here that bemused me and made me double read to check if that had actually been written....are there really parts of the Tartan Army that think he's some sort of attacking midfielder?! I don't understand when they say (a lot of them have said it) "I don't know what he's good at". Do they not realize that in football ball retention if one of the most important thing? I think I've only seen McTominay lose the ball a couple of times since he broke through, which is amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefaetheferry Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 I'm not big on the whole stats thing, but out of interest I had a wee look on Whoscored - McTominay had 8.66, only behind the 2 goal scorers in the ratings. Same old story, the guy who retains possession but lacks flair is always under appreciated by fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Pity Angus Gunn is English as he had a good game yesterday, despite the result Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Bobby Russell's Lovechild said: Pity Angus Gunn is English as he had a good game yesterday, despite the result He will probably be Scottish in a year or two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 1 hour ago, ProudScot said: He will probably be Scottish in a year or two Could well be capped by England before he becomes Sottish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 21 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Could well be capped by England before he becomes Sottish If he continues like yesterday, England will cap him next month to secure him. On another note I see the article today that Liam Palmer wants to be noticed by McLeish. Says he's always be proud to represent us and considers himself Scottish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 15 hours ago, Chripper said: I don't understand when they say (a lot of them have said it) "I don't know what he's good at". Do they not realize that in football ball retention if one of the most important thing? I think I've only seen McTominay lose the ball a couple of times since he broke through, which is amazing. He's good at the things fans of one of the biggest teams in the world would expect all their players to be good at, he's just not very good at the things that actually win games. To play at the very highest level you have to be able to do a lot more than simply what your job description implies.(so don't bother saying that's what he is supposed to do) So far he has shown little ability to get forward or more importantly create chances with forward passes, he just defends the middle of the park. He has a long way to go to prove he is good enough for one of Europe's elite. So basically what the fans are saying is he's not one of the best in Europe so he's not good enough for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 21 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: He's good at the things fans of one of the biggest teams in the world would expect all their players to be good at, he's just not very good at the things that actually win games. To play at the very highest level you have to be able to do a lot more than simply what your job description implies.(so don't bother saying that's what he is supposed to do) So far he has shown little ability to get forward or more importantly create chances with forward passes, he just defends the middle of the park. He has a long way to go to prove he is good enough for one of Europe's elite. So basically what the fans are saying is he's not one of the best in Europe so he's not good enough for us. It’s not his job to get forward. If he did that he would be dropped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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