theabsentee Posted July 17 Posted July 17 6 hours ago, Hertsscot said: I think the new cooperation loans would have suited King rather than being thrown in at the deep end having to partner James Sands in the middle of Rangers defence. Thank you. The reality. I'll say it again and I'll stand by it, if they are good enough they play! Even if Scotland still had a reserve league it wouldn't make a significant difference. How well they develop when they run away from Scotland at 16/17 to a system which invests in youth development proves it. Quote
Scots_Wha_Hae Posted July 17 Posted July 17 43 minutes ago, theabsentee said: Thank you. The reality. I'll say it again and I'll stand by it, if they are good enough they play! Even if Scotland still had a reserve league it wouldn't make a significant difference. How well they develop when they run away from Scotland at 16/17 to a system which invests in youth development proves it. “If they are good enough they’ll play”. What does that mean? Does it mean they are the best in their position? Does it mean they are already good enough to be a top player in their position in the squad? Does it mean they play like an experienced pro? How do you know if they are good enough if they have never played? How often do they have to play to show they are good enough? How many chances do they get to demonstrate the nebulous concept of ‘good enough’? If they are good enough they’ll play is the wrong attitude; if they play they may be good enough is the right attitude. I, like most Scottish football fans, have watched many professional footballers of much more advanced years play whole seasons being clearly not good enough, but they get to keep being not good enough because they are a bit older. Your whole mindset is backwards. Quote
Diamond Scot Posted July 17 Posted July 17 1 hour ago, Scots_Wha_Hae said: If they are good enough they’ll play is the wrong attitude; if they play they may be good enough is the right attitude. I dont even think this is the right attitude. It should be if they play they might become good enough and possibly even better than what we have currently that should be the attitude. Look at the class of 95 for Man Utd. When they broke into the 1st team none of them were currently better than the stars who they were replacing but Ferguson moved those players on in the hope and expectation that they would become even better which of course they did. A more recent example of how our clubs get it wrong was Taviner and Patterson. When Patterson broke into the team, Taviners stock was at its peak. They should have sold him and played Patterson for 2 years in the hope and expectation that Patterson becomes a better asset than Taviner. You then sell Patterson for more than they actually got, plus the Taviner money and at least two years service from a younger home grown player. It should then be rinse and repeat. Its literally what Ajax have been doing for the last 30 years. Quote
immcinto Posted July 18 Posted July 18 7 hours ago, Diamond Scot said: I dont even think this is the right attitude. It should be if they play they might become good enough and possibly even better than what we have currently that should be the attitude. Look at the class of 95 for Man Utd. When they broke into the 1st team none of them were currently better than the stars who they were replacing but Ferguson moved those players on in the hope and expectation that they would become even better which of course they did. A more recent example of how our clubs get it wrong was Taviner and Patterson. When Patterson broke into the team, Taviners stock was at its peak. They should have sold him and played Patterson for 2 years in the hope and expectation that Patterson becomes a better asset than Taviner. You then sell Patterson for more than they actually got, plus the Taviner money and at least two years service from a younger home grown player. It should then be rinse and repeat. Its literally what Ajax have been doing for the last 30 years. I am optimistic that the OF will move in this direction. For clubs in smaller leagues, youth development is the only viable business model. Rangers have US owners and they will see how teams from smaller countries on the continent are outperforming Rangers with squads on a fraction of the money. Celtic are also finding that they can't convince any overseas players to join them. Quote
Scots_Wha_Hae Posted July 18 Posted July 18 8 hours ago, Diamond Scot said: I dont even think this is the right attitude. It should be if they play they might become good enough and possibly even better than what we have currently that should be the attitude. Agree, that’s the point I was trying to make, you’ve just done a better job of making it clearly than I did! Quote
biffer Posted July 18 Posted July 18 53 minutes ago, immcinto said: I am optimistic that the OF will move in this direction. For clubs in smaller leagues, youth development is the only viable business model. Rangers have US owners and they will see how teams from smaller countries on the continent are outperforming Rangers with squads on a fraction of the money. Celtic are also finding that they can't convince any overseas players to join them. Rangers and celtic finally bearing the consequences of this shitty league structure they've forced on us? Quote
bazmidd Posted July 18 Posted July 18 11 hours ago, theabsentee said: Thank you. The reality. I'll say it again and I'll stand by it, if they are good enough they play! Even if Scotland still had a reserve league it wouldn't make a significant difference. How well they develop when they run away from Scotland at 16/17 to a system which invests in youth development proves it. No one is disagreeing with this, but it is the clubs responsibility to make them good enough! No player just turns up good enough to play in a first team, they have to be developed into first team players. Ajax, Partizan Belgrade, Dinamo Zagreb, RB Salzburg, Sporting Lisbon, brilliant examples of similar sized clubs who know how to develop players into first team players, and make massive money of them by the way. Players in those countries aren't just born ready, they are coached and developed properly. I'll stand by it. To only have the same amount of minutes played on a football pitch in 4 years between 17-20 as 1 season at age 21, it is staring us in the face why our best young players aren't developing. Co-operations agreements are fantastic, but it is only a start. And this came from the SFA by the way, not the clubs. Quote
Diamond Scot Posted July 18 Posted July 18 3 hours ago, immcinto said: I am optimistic that the OF will move in this direction. For clubs in smaller leagues, youth development is the only viable business model. Rangers have US owners and they will see how teams from smaller countries on the continent are outperforming Rangers with squads on a fraction of the money. Celtic are also finding that they can't convince any overseas players to join them. Im not so sure. The problem that the OF have is that they are huge clubs who can offer alot of attractive things to players. Huge media attention, playing in front of massive crowds, playing in Europe, winning trophys and a clear pathway to the top leagues. For many players from smaller clubs in Scandanavia etc they are seen as a good stepping stone. For that reason the OF are still likely to be able to attract developmental players to buy relatively low and flip for bigger money after a couple of years. That model allows them to still be fighting for titles etc better than developing their own players. Quote
syecosse Posted July 18 Posted July 18 West Ham and German sides being linked with a 10 Million move for Ben Nelson. Quote
ceudmilefailte Posted July 18 Posted July 18 7 minutes ago, syecosse said: West Ham and German sides being linked with a 10 Million move for Ben Nelson. Not sure he’s that good but nice to think we could’ve had a £10million defender at the world cup Quote
syecosse Posted July 18 Posted July 18 Jordan Holsgroves name being linked with Wolves as the replacement of the guy they just sild to Villa for 35M. Quote
BookhouseBoys Posted July 18 Posted July 18 Read earlier that Genoa are now added to the clubs interested in Robbie Ure Quote
syecosse Posted July 19 Posted July 19 Rory Wilson being linked with varuous clubs across Europe Ham Kam in Norway the strongest link with there main striker off to Porto. Quote
ProudScot Posted July 19 Posted July 19 5 hours ago, syecosse said: Rory Wilson being linked with varuous clubs across Europe Ham Kam in Norway the strongest link with there main striker off to Porto. He just needs to go somewhere and actually play Quote
ProudScot Posted July 19 Posted July 19 On 7/18/2026 at 9:12 PM, BookhouseBoys said: Read earlier that Genoa are now added to the clubs interested in Robbie Ure 2 more for him today he will definitely get a big money move in August at the latest Quote
ceudmilefailte Posted July 20 Posted July 20 It will be interesting to see how good Ure is when we finally get something to compare him with. Quote
Clyde1998 Posted July 20 Posted July 20 12 hours ago, syecosse said: Rory Wilson being linked with varuous clubs across Europe Ham Kam in Norway the strongest link with there main striker off to Porto. Could be a good move for him. Norway's league is probably at least on par with Sweden's, so could be similar to Ure. Seems this would be a loan, so a good half of the season could see him jump up a level in January. Quote
syecosse Posted July 20 Posted July 20 Eintract Frankfurt have been linked with Nathan Patterson, also report says clubs in Serie A and La Liga. Quote
mccaughey85 Posted July 20 Posted July 20 1 hour ago, syecosse said: Eintract Frankfurt have been linked with Nathan Patterson, also report says clubs in Serie A and La Liga. He just needs out of everton now and get himself to somewhere he will play games. Quote
syecosse Posted July 20 Posted July 20 17 year old keeper Michael Mullen is on trial at Liverpool was formerly with Kilmarnock. Quote
ProudScot Posted July 20 Posted July 20 1 hour ago, syecosse said: 17 year old keeper Michael Mullen is on trial at Liverpool was formerly with Kilmarnock. Never to be heard of again until he signs for Airdrie at 23 after several national league loans etc Quote
bahookie Posted July 21 Posted July 21 On 7/20/2026 at 6:08 AM, ProudScot said: He just needs to go somewhere and actually play Exactly. And ideally then also start banging in the goals. Quote
ThistleWhistle Posted July 21 Posted July 21 On 7/18/2026 at 7:17 AM, immcinto said: I am optimistic that the OF will move in this direction. For clubs in smaller leagues, youth development is the only viable business model. Rangers have US owners and they will see how teams from smaller countries on the continent are outperforming Rangers with squads on a fraction of the money. Celtic are also finding that they can't convince any overseas players to join them. About 10-15 years ago when QPR were spunking stupid money on transfers it became apparent the fee wasn’t the important bit but the wages that told you the real demand for a player. A decade ago Stoke were paying £70k a week to the top earners. Trying to show everyone the size of their transfer dong by spending high transfer fees on players that’ll accept £30k is daft as essentially they’re competing for Championship players or Premier League teams would’ve hoovered them up. They’re essentially panning for gold surrounded by other prospectors. Surely with the duopoly up here they’d be better served having 1st dibs at prospects up here and if there was an actual pathway to the first team, along with European exposure, more and more may choose to stick around rather than disappearing into a void down south Quote
Scots_Wha_Hae Posted July 21 Posted July 21 1 hour ago, ThistleWhistle said: About 10-15 years ago when QPR were spunking stupid money on transfers it became apparent the fee wasn’t the important bit but the wages that told you the real demand for a player. A decade ago Stoke were paying £70k a week to the top earners. Trying to show everyone the size of their transfer dong by spending high transfer fees on players that’ll accept £30k is daft as essentially they’re competing for Championship players or Premier League teams would’ve hoovered them up. They’re essentially panning for gold surrounded by other prospectors. Surely with the duopoly up here they’d be better served having 1st dibs at prospects up here and if there was an actual pathway to the first team, along with European exposure, more and more may choose to stick around rather than disappearing into a void down south I've been making this same point for years; trying to be a chequebook club when you are shopping at the corner shop and your peers have accounts at Harrods is daft. Sure, you'll get the odd gem here or there, but any properly high potential player will be picked up by much wealthier clubs (which for the majority of our league now means League 1 or even League 2 clubs in England). Develop your own and you have the chance of a world class player; buy them in and frankly the chance of a world class player is vanishingly small. Quote
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