mccaughey85 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 21 minutes ago, Scots_Wha_Hae said: I doubt anyone at Liverpool thinks he’ll be ‘challenging’ Trent, Trent is a generational talent and possibly the best RB in the world. The demands of squad management for a side like Liverpool are huge now though; between the league, cups, internationals etc. Trent will play 45-50 games a season. That’s very tough and I’d imagine they would want to reduce that somewhat. I think Ramsay will play a role like Tmiskas, allowing Trent to rest like Robertson, and he will chalk up 10-15 games a season. At that level he’ll be playing enough to challenge for international starts. That would be the biggest leap any young scottish player has ever made imo. To go from a very poor aberdeen side to playing 10-15 games for one of the best teams in the world is unheard of in terms of our young players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Just now, mccaughey85 said: That would be the biggest leap any young scottish player has ever made imo. To go from a very poor aberdeen side to playing 10-15 games for one of the best teams in the world is unheard of in terms of our young players. Klopp and Liverpool rarely get their recruitment wrong too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syecosse Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Jamie Mcallisters son is being chased by a lot of clubs plays for Bristol City clubs include Newcastle, Leicester, Villa, Rangers and Celtic. 16 year old midfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, bigfingers said: Klopp and Liverpool rarely get their recruitment wrong too. Yeh maybe true but aberdeen should be getting alot more than 4m if liverpool are going to use him in the first team. Especially when you consider patterson went for 11m and has barely played for everton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 33 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said: Yeh maybe true but aberdeen should be getting alot more than 4m if liverpool are going to use him in the first team. Especially when you consider patterson went for 11m and has barely played for everton. Yeah but Paterson played more in Europe and was already part of the Scotland set up. Ramsay hasn’t even been called up to our first team squad yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, bigfingers said: Yeah but Paterson played more in Europe and was already part of the Scotland set up. Ramsay hasn’t even been called up to our first team squad yet. Nathan Patterson isn't Carlos Alberto. Some perspective is required - so far he has played in precisely 28 first team games for his two clubs. Calvin Ramsay played in 39 first team games for Aberdeen. Edited June 19, 2022 by Barney Rubble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 23 minutes ago, bigfingers said: Yeah but Paterson played more in Europe and was already part of the Scotland set up. Ramsay hasn’t even been called up to our first team squad yet. Point still stands, if liverpool want a back up for trent then aberdeen should be getting at least a few million more upfront. Guys who cost 4m tend not to get into the liverpool first team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Scot Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said: Point still stands, if liverpool want a back up for trent then aberdeen should be getting at least a few million more upfront. Guys who cost 4m tend not to get into the liverpool first team. The transfer fee has little to do with the squad status of the buying club. The reason Patterson went for double (other than the points raised above) is that he will have been on at least double the wages and Rangers could afford to hold out for much more money. If Everton bid 5 million for Patterson ans Rangers turned it down then Patterson couldnt really complain / cause problems as he would already be getting the wages of a 5 million type player. Ramsey at Aberdeen wouldnt have been so the 1st thing his agent would have been saying to Aberdeen is, if you think he is currently worth more than 5 million then we expect a new contract reflecting that. Thats how football works and given Aberdeen wouldnt be able to afford said wage, they have no real option but to sell for the best price they can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, Diamond Scot said: The transfer fee has little to do with the squad status of the buying club. The reason Patterson went for double (other than the points raised above) is that he will have been on at least double the wages and Rangers could afford to hold out for much more money. If Everton bid 5 million for Patterson ans Rangers turned it down then Patterson couldnt really complain / cause problems as he would already be getting the wages of a 5 million type player. Ramsey at Aberdeen wouldnt have been so the 1st thing his agent would have been saying to Aberdeen is, if you think he is currently worth more than 5 million then we expect a new contract reflecting that. Thats how football works and given Aberdeen wouldnt be able to afford said wage, they have no real option but to sell for the best price they can get. Patterson didn’t go for double the Ramsay fee because he’s on double the wages 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 35 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said: Nathan Patterson isn't Carlos Alberto. Some perspective is required - so far he has played in precisely 28 first team games for his two clubs. Calvin Ramsay played in 39 first team games for Aberdeen. Patterson impressed in both Europe and for Scotland hence why he got the move. Ramsay is a good player with potential, he was part of a defence which came close to the relegation play off last season & Youd think Aberdeen have done very well to get the money they have - well done to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Scot Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, ProudScot said: Patterson didn’t go for double the Ramsay fee because he’s on double the wages 🤣 Read the rest of the post. A players current wages will affect the selling clubs ability to realistically turn down an offer. The same way the length of contract remaining will affect the selling price. If you think transfer fee is based solely on ability then you are deluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 27 minutes ago, ProudScot said: Patterson impressed in both Europe and for Scotland hence why he got the move. Ramsay is a good player with potential, he was part of a defence which came close to the relegation play off last season & Youd think Aberdeen have done very well to get the money they have - well done to them. I know I'm flogging a dead horse here with you, but where exactly has Patterson impressed in Europe and for Scotland? With Scotland he's been a defensive liability - fine going forward but not reliable under pressure. I'll trust you to inform the debate about his impressive performances for Rangers in Europe. Until then, to me he seems a decent prospect who is being way over promoted as a Scotland right back in the face of stiff competition (Ralston, Ramsay and your favourite bitch O'Donnell). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JECK Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Fantastic move IMO. We’re just plainly not going to achieve anything at international level without players going on to the top leagues. Fair enough some may fail and may not be good enough but the more that move, only increases our chances. We should be aiming for a conveyor belt of talent moving to England, Spain, Germany and Italy. Right who’s next?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Kieran Tierney linked with Manchester City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 11 hours ago, Barney Rubble said: I know I'm flogging a dead horse here with you, but where exactly has Patterson impressed in Europe and for Scotland? With Scotland he's been a defensive liability - fine going forward but not reliable under pressure. I'll trust you to inform the debate about his impressive performances for Rangers in Europe. Until then, to me he seems a decent prospect who is being way over promoted as a Scotland right back in the face of stiff competition (Ralston, Ramsay and your favourite bitch O'Donnell). Patterson’s debut in Europe for Rangers was a start away against Legia Warsaw in which he played excellent & they won. His next appearance was off the bench at half time against Prague and he scored a brilliant goal 6 seconds after coming on. If you even need his Scotland performances explained then you clearly don’t watch Scotland games 🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syecosse Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Andy Irving off to the Austrian bundesliga with Austria Klagenfurt from German division 3 side. Not sure how good this side is but good step up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, ErsatzThistle said: Kieran Tierney linked with Manchester City. Would rather this than remaining at Arsenal, be nice to see him in the champions league. Edited June 20, 2022 by ProudScot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Robby McCrorie linked as back up to De Gea at Man Utd! Hopefully McGregor retires and McCrorie usurps McLoughlin at Rangers this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazda Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, mccaughey85 said: Point still stands, if liverpool want a back up for trent then aberdeen should be getting at least a few million more upfront. Guys who cost 4m tend not to get into the liverpool first team. Think they absolutely took advantage of the Dons, knowing they needed the cash because they were almost relegated due to a very poor quality team & they desperately need to buy need better players. It's a shame they had to sell, If they could've had his services for another year they may have been in a better position. That's the sum of money a championship team should at least be paying. not a world class club. Or lack of class when it comes to their greed, unfortunately. Edited June 20, 2022 by Mazda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Looking at Twitter, there seems to be a surprising amount of publicity from Liverpool with the Ramsey transfer, lots of pics, unveiling of his shirt number, interviews... Lads his age usually just get the pic of then signing the contract so seems they're hoping for big things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Mazda said: Think they absolutely took advantage of the Dons, knowing they needed the cash because they were almost relegated due to a very poor quality team & they desperately need to buy need better players. It's a shame they had to sell, If they could've had his services for another year they may have been in a better position. That's the sum of money a championship team should at least be paying. not a world class club. Or lack of class when it comes to their greed, unfortunately. Easy tiger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 On 6/19/2022 at 8:15 PM, mccaughey85 said: Point still stands, if liverpool want a back up for trent then aberdeen should be getting at least a few million more upfront. Guys who cost 4m tend not to get into the liverpool first team. Robertson was £8m (up front) from Hull and went became a first team regular. Liverpool wouldn't've signed him if they didn't think he could do a job, either within the next season or two. The fact the talk is he'll be involved with the first team squad is suggests they believe he's good enough now to be a backup option for Trent Alexander-Arnold. The selling club determines the value at which they're willing to sell a player - which is why when a club needs money, they sell players for below the typical market rate for players of the player's quality. A buying club isn't going to offer more money out of sympathy in the same way no-one here would pay more for a product in a shop if you believe the shop has undervalued the item. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Aston Villa open to selling McGinn apparently. Would be good to see him move on, I can see Villa being shit next season under Gerrard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 11 hours ago, Mazda said: Think they absolutely took advantage of the Dons, knowing they needed the cash because they were almost relegated due to a very poor quality team & they desperately need to buy need better players. It's a shame they had to sell, If they could've had his services for another year they may have been in a better position. That's the sum of money a championship team should at least be paying. not a world class club. Or lack of class when it comes to their greed, unfortunately. was thinking thats same amount of transfer 4.2million that Duncan Ferguson went to Rangers from Dundee Utd - some 30 yrs back (almost ....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 6 hours ago, kumnio said: Aston Villa open to selling McGinn apparently. Would be good to see him move on, I can see Villa being shit next season under Gerrard. One paper I read said he is difficult to work with😒 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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