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5 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said:

 

This bit is hilarious. Don't even know where to start with it. It's complete and utter nonsense. I could give you a long list of players who went from the SPL to the championship (from smaller sides) got nowhere near the Sootland side and skooshed that league. Craig Bryson for starters.

Perhaps you shouldn't be so ignorant before posting utter made up nonsense then. I'm not saying Scottish football is great by any manner of means but it's nowhere near as big a gap between the Championship and the SPFL as you seem to suggest continually.  

Ok i admit im being obsessive now in making my point but i think its interesting reading (also would like to think it proves im not ignorant on the subject matter being discussed)

So ive gone through the last 10 transfer windows and got all transfers from Scottish football to Championship clubs (a couple i think weren't in the championship at the time but thought i would include them to pad it out)

A couple of observations before the list

  • First is there is so few players moving from Scotland to the Championship on average 4.6 a transfer window - which if it was at a comparable level and the players are so cheap to buy you would have thought it would be a bigger number 
  • Second observation is when players do move down to England is not to the Championship its to the lower levels of England, i dont have the stats but ive just Wiki'd the last 10 seasons and the data is there to prove - which again is strange cos if these players were playing in a league comparable to the championship you'd think they would move to that league rather than a level down 

Now of the 46 players that have moved from Scotland to the championship in the last 10 windows there is 46. Of the 46 i would suggest that 6 have as you would say skooshed the league which works out as 2.76% which i wouldnt class as "a long list". But heres the list below let me know if you disagree with the numbers 

Summer ’18 -     None

 

Winter ’18 -        Kenny McLean (Aberdeen to Norwich free)

                                Louis Moult (Motherwell to Preson £500,00)

 

Summer ’17 -     Stevie Mallan (Thistle to Barnsley Undisclosed)

                                Liam Lindsay (Thistle to Barnsley Undisclosed)

                                Liam Boyce (Ross County to Burton Undisclosed)

                                Callum Paterson (Hearts to Cardiff Compensation)

                                Joe Garnder (Rangers to Ipswich Undisclosed)

                                Martyn Waghorn (Rangers to Ipswich Undisclosed)

                                Jason Cummings (Hibs to Forrest Undisclosed)

                                Barrie McKay (Rangers to Forrest £500,000)

                                Ben Heneghan (Motherwell to Sheff Utd Undisclosed)

                               

Winter ’17 -        Kyle McAllister (St Mirren to Derby Undisclosed)

                                Matt Gilks (Rangers to Wigan Undisclosed)

 

Summer ’16 -     Greg Stewart (Dundee to Birmingham Undisclosed)

                                Anthony Stokes (Celtic to Blackburn)

                                Charlie Mulgrew (Celtic to Blackburn)

                                Ben Hall (Motherwell to Brighton)

                                Jackson Irvine (Ross County to Burton)

                                Josh Magennis (Kilmarnock to Charlton)

                                Michael McGovern (Hamilton to Norwich)

                                Will Vaulks (Falkirk to Rotherham)

                                Scott Allan (Celtic to Rotherham)

                                Darnell Fisher (Celtic to Rotherham)

                               

 

 

Winter ’16 -        None

Summer ’15 -     Marley Watkins (ICT to Barnsley)

                                Calum Butcher (Dundee Utd to Burton)

                                Lee Erwin (Motherwell to Leeds)

                                Jack Hendry (Thistle to Wigan)

                               

Winter ’15 -        Fillip Twardzik (Celtic to Bolton)

                                Beram Kayal (Celtic to Brighton)

                                Mickael Antoine-Curier (Hamilton to Burton)

                                Tony Andreu (Hamilton to Norwich)

                                Jason Holt (Hearts to Sheff Utd)

                                Billy McKay (ICT to Wigan)

                               

Summer ’14 -     Kane Hemmings (Cowdenbeath to Barnsley)

                                Gavin Gunning (Dundee Utd to Birmingham)

                                Denny Johnstone (Celtic to Birmingham)

                                Andrew Robertson (Dundee Utd to Hull)

                                Conor McGrandles (Falkirk to Norwich)

                                Andy Little (Rangers to Preston)

                                Marc McNulty (Livingston to Sheff Utd)

                                Stevie May (St Johnstone to Sheff Weds)

                                Stephen Kingsley (Falkirk to Swansea)

                                Aaron Taylor-Sinclair (Partick to Wigan)

 

Winter ’14 -        Dylan McGeouch (Celtic to Coventry)

                                Adam King (Hearts to Swansea)

  

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On 8/2/2018 at 10:15 AM, Third Lanark said:

Ah, sorry didn't know that. Sort of a Phil Bardsley in reverse then. Wish him as much luck as Islam Feruz.

Not really.

Bardsley's DAD was born in Scotland and then moved back to England with his English parents shortly afterwards.

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On 7/31/2018 at 5:45 AM, Bobby Russell's Lovechild said:

Dembele played for England u16 against Croatia last week. Think he's made his bed now

Just been named in Scotland U17 squad for friendlies against Russia later this month...

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On ‎8‎/‎1‎/‎2018 at 11:07 PM, borojock said:

Ok i admit im being obsessive now in making my point but i think its interesting reading (also would like to think it proves im not ignorant on the subject matter being discussed)

So ive gone through the last 10 transfer windows and got all transfers from Scottish football to Championship clubs (a couple i think weren't in the championship at the time but thought i would include them to pad it out)

A couple of observations before the list

  • First is there is so few players moving from Scotland to the Championship on average 4.6 a transfer window - which if it was at a comparable level and the players are so cheap to buy you would have thought it would be a bigger number 
  • Second observation is when players do move down to England is not to the Championship its to the lower levels of England, i dont have the stats but ive just Wiki'd the last 10 seasons and the data is there to prove - which again is strange cos if these players were playing in a league comparable to the championship you'd think they would move to that league rather than a level down 

Now of the 46 players that have moved from Scotland to the championship in the last 10 windows there is 46. Of the 46 i would suggest that 6 have as you would say skooshed the league which works out as 2.76% which i wouldnt class as "a long list". But heres the list below let me know if you disagree with the numbers 

Summer ’18 -     None

 

Winter ’18 -        Kenny McLean (Aberdeen to Norwich free)

                                Louis Moult (Motherwell to Preson £500,00)

 

Summer ’17 -     Stevie Mallan (Thistle to Barnsley Undisclosed)

                                Liam Lindsay (Thistle to Barnsley Undisclosed)

                                Liam Boyce (Ross County to Burton Undisclosed)

                                Callum Paterson (Hearts to Cardiff Compensation)

                                Joe Garnder (Rangers to Ipswich Undisclosed)

                                Martyn Waghorn (Rangers to Ipswich Undisclosed)

                                Jason Cummings (Hibs to Forrest Undisclosed)

                                Barrie McKay (Rangers to Forrest £500,000)

                                Ben Heneghan (Motherwell to Sheff Utd Undisclosed)

                               

Winter ’17 -        Kyle McAllister (St Mirren to Derby Undisclosed)

                                Matt Gilks (Rangers to Wigan Undisclosed)

 

Summer ’16 -     Greg Stewart (Dundee to Birmingham Undisclosed)

                                Anthony Stokes (Celtic to Blackburn)

                                Charlie Mulgrew (Celtic to Blackburn)

                                Ben Hall (Motherwell to Brighton)

                                Jackson Irvine (Ross County to Burton)

                                Josh Magennis (Kilmarnock to Charlton)

                                Michael McGovern (Hamilton to Norwich)

                                Will Vaulks (Falkirk to Rotherham)

                                Scott Allan (Celtic to Rotherham)

                                Darnell Fisher (Celtic to Rotherham)

                               

 

 

Winter ’16 -        None

Summer ’15 -     Marley Watkins (ICT to Barnsley)

                                Calum Butcher (Dundee Utd to Burton)

                                Lee Erwin (Motherwell to Leeds)

                                Jack Hendry (Thistle to Wigan)

                               

Winter ’15 -        Fillip Twardzik (Celtic to Bolton)

                                Beram Kayal (Celtic to Brighton)

                                Mickael Antoine-Curier (Hamilton to Burton)

                                Tony Andreu (Hamilton to Norwich)

                                Jason Holt (Hearts to Sheff Utd)

                                Billy McKay (ICT to Wigan)

                               

Summer ’14 -     Kane Hemmings (Cowdenbeath to Barnsley)

                                Gavin Gunning (Dundee Utd to Birmingham)

                                Denny Johnstone (Celtic to Birmingham)

                                Andrew Robertson (Dundee Utd to Hull)

                                Conor McGrandles (Falkirk to Norwich)

                                Andy Little (Rangers to Preston)

                                Marc McNulty (Livingston to Sheff Utd)

                                Stevie May (St Johnstone to Sheff Weds)

                                Stephen Kingsley (Falkirk to Swansea)

                                Aaron Taylor-Sinclair (Partick to Wigan)

 

Winter ’14 -        Dylan McGeouch (Celtic to Coventry)

                                Adam King (Hearts to Swansea)

  

You've named players in that who  1) couldn't get a sniff of a game up here and 2) aren't Scottish.

Darnell Fisher, Denny Johnstone, Andy Little - fuck me, scrapping the barrel here.

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46 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said:

You've named players in that who  1) couldn't get a sniff of a game up here and 2) aren't Scottish.

Darnell Fisher, Denny Johnstone, Andy Little - fuck me, scrapping the barrel here.

Thanks for the reply 

1/ I have named all players - not players that could or couldn't get a game. I though if we were going to have a friendly debate on our differing opinions its important to provide all the data. I don't want to choose a sub-section of the transfers to make my argument stronger as thats not what you do, its important to look at all the data objectively and then make your decision 

2/ My point wasn't based on Scottish players. It was based on the standard of quality of the SPL vs the Championship so the fact they are Scottish or English or anything else is irrelevant 

Genuinely as a friendly debate/discussion and not as some slagging match as i respect everyone has different opinions on a subjective matter like this - i'd love to hear your argument on why you think the players in the SPL are at a similar standard to the championship.  

I think ive put a strong argument to you backing my own opinion and would love to hear a reasoned response from you - some evidental data to back your points up would be great 

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8 minutes ago, Cove_Sheep said:

Kenny McLean also wasn't free.

Your right i apologise went off Wiki on that one - and as IMHO i think he's joining a stronger league i really do hope that he is a massive success down there and can play a contributing factor to the national team in the nations league and next euro qualifying campaign 

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Have a look at the championship clubs accounts. I reckon every one of them trade massively outwith their means and are only propped up by sugar daddies or dodgy foreign owners. 

I saw enough crap football last season to cancel my season ticket. 

The best player I saw last season was James Maddison who ran the game like I never saw at Pittodrie. Even Martyn Waghorn looked a player last season. 

The main difference in the championship is that they have deep bloated squads, all draining money from the clubs. In Scotland we have young lads on the bench. 

 

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14 minutes ago, Dairbee said:

Have a look at the championship clubs accounts. I reckon every one of them trade massively outwith their means and are only propped up by sugar daddies or dodgy foreign owners. 

 

 

https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/national/football-finance-championship-club-by-club-2015-16

 

This was three seasons ago, Vast majority have wage-to-turnover ratios of over 100%. Notts Forest and Brentford are 166%!

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2 minutes ago, Bobby Russell's Lovechild said:

https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/national/football-finance-championship-club-by-club-2015-16

 

Vast majority have wage-to-turnover ratios of over 100%. Notts Forest and Brentford are 166%!

And the fans moan about not spending millions on new players every transfer window. The clubs are creating a fan base that want more and more and expect it to be delivered.  

Try telling anyone down here about the clubs debt and they dont care.

I was hoping Villa were going to be a warning to clubs and they would set a precedent, but guess what, someone else steps forward to sign the cheques. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, borojock said:

Your right i apologise went off Wiki on that one - and as IMHO i think he's joining a stronger league i really do hope that he is a massive success down there and can play a contributing factor to the national team in the nations league and next euro qualifying campaign 

Well, given someone who was a bit of a showpony and in and out of the Aberdeen team at times seemingly looked like a world beater in that league given the fee he has just gone for...

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On 8/1/2018 at 11:07 PM, borojock said:

Ok i admit im being obsessive now in making my point but i think its interesting reading (also would like to think it proves im not ignorant on the subject matter being discussed)

So ive gone through the last 10 transfer windows and got all transfers from Scottish football to Championship clubs (a couple i think weren't in the championship at the time but thought i would include them to pad it out)

A couple of observations before the list

  • First is there is so few players moving from Scotland to the Championship on average 4.6 a transfer window - which if it was at a comparable level and the players are so cheap to buy you would have thought it would be a bigger number 
  • Second observation is when players do move down to England is not to the Championship its to the lower levels of England, i dont have the stats but ive just Wiki'd the last 10 seasons and the data is there to prove - which again is strange cos if these players were playing in a league comparable to the championship you'd think they would move to that league rather than a level down 

Now of the 46 players that have moved from Scotland to the championship in the last 10 windows there is 46. Of the 46 i would suggest that 6 have as you would say skooshed the league which works out as 2.76% which i wouldnt class as "a long list". But heres the list below let me know if you disagree with the numbers 

Summer ’18 -     None

 

Winter ’18 -        Kenny McLean (Aberdeen to Norwich free)

                                Louis Moult (Motherwell to Preson £500,00)

 

Summer ’17 -     Stevie Mallan (Thistle to Barnsley Undisclosed)

                                Liam Lindsay (Thistle to Barnsley Undisclosed)

                                Liam Boyce (Ross County to Burton Undisclosed)

                                Callum Paterson (Hearts to Cardiff Compensation)

                                Joe Garnder (Rangers to Ipswich Undisclosed)

                                Martyn Waghorn (Rangers to Ipswich Undisclosed)

                                Jason Cummings (Hibs to Forrest Undisclosed)

                                Barrie McKay (Rangers to Forrest £500,000)

                                Ben Heneghan (Motherwell to Sheff Utd Undisclosed)

                               

Winter ’17 -        Kyle McAllister (St Mirren to Derby Undisclosed)

                                Matt Gilks (Rangers to Wigan Undisclosed)

 

Summer ’16 -     Greg Stewart (Dundee to Birmingham Undisclosed)

                                Anthony Stokes (Celtic to Blackburn)

                                Charlie Mulgrew (Celtic to Blackburn)

                                Ben Hall (Motherwell to Brighton)

                                Jackson Irvine (Ross County to Burton)

                                Josh Magennis (Kilmarnock to Charlton)

                                Michael McGovern (Hamilton to Norwich)

                                Will Vaulks (Falkirk to Rotherham)

                                Scott Allan (Celtic to Rotherham)

                                Darnell Fisher (Celtic to Rotherham)

                               

 

 

Winter ’16 -        None

Summer ’15 -     Marley Watkins (ICT to Barnsley)

                                Calum Butcher (Dundee Utd to Burton)

                                Lee Erwin (Motherwell to Leeds)

                                Jack Hendry (Thistle to Wigan)

                               

Winter ’15 -        Fillip Twardzik (Celtic to Bolton)

                                Beram Kayal (Celtic to Brighton)

                                Mickael Antoine-Curier (Hamilton to Burton)

                                Tony Andreu (Hamilton to Norwich)

                                Jason Holt (Hearts to Sheff Utd)

                                Billy McKay (ICT to Wigan)

                               

Summer ’14 -     Kane Hemmings (Cowdenbeath to Barnsley)

                                Gavin Gunning (Dundee Utd to Birmingham)

                                Denny Johnstone (Celtic to Birmingham)

                                Andrew Robertson (Dundee Utd to Hull)

                                Conor McGrandles (Falkirk to Norwich)

                                Andy Little (Rangers to Preston)

                                Marc McNulty (Livingston to Sheff Utd)

                                Stevie May (St Johnstone to Sheff Weds)

                                Stephen Kingsley (Falkirk to Swansea)

                                Aaron Taylor-Sinclair (Partick to Wigan)

 

Winter ’14 -        Dylan McGeouch (Celtic to Coventry)

                                Adam King (Hearts to Swansea)

  

I disagree that 6 out of 46 is 2.76%.  It’s 13.04%.  

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9 hours ago, borojock said:

Thanks for correcting it appreciate it - would you agree its a very low number

I think a point that your analysis is missing is that many players will play better/be better with game continuity

ie The same player is actually a better player in Scotland, because gets regular game without the chopping and changing - I think you see this with international squads where smaller nations play the same guys regularly - Iceland would be a good example of this.

This is possibly why some players excel in Scotland but not in Championship - due to smaller squads they are getting regular time to hone their skills & build up their confidence & I think confidence has a big impact on performance.

You see this with players going to Rangers - same guy for another team is a good player, but with the chopping and changing at Ibrox, he is regarded as poor player     

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