Orraloon Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 hour ago, TDYER63 said: I read it purely as a simple play on the word bollocks. Nothing more. 👍 Anyhoo, enough about Kez, am I the only person on the planet wondering why more has not been made about BJ’s ( Boris Johnson for the avoidance of doubt) dad being in it ? Or has there and I am not aware of it? I havent watched the show for a few years now. I cannot believe the father of a current cabinet minister is in something like this. Or am I being too easily offended ? ....😗 Nae need to bring his sexuality into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 2 hours ago, TDYER63 said: Or has there and I am not aware of it? I havent watched the show for a few years now. I cannot believe the father of a current cabinet minister is in something like this. Or am I being too easily offended ? ....😗 I think Bercow's missus was in it a few years back?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 She is yesterdays news. The fact Scottish Labour has an Englishman now leading the party speaks volumes for the direction it wants to head in. For sporting matters he freely admits England comes first (fair enough) but this bias is not what Scottish Labour should have. It should be someone purely looking after Scotland's interests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee-toon-red Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 17 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: She is yesterdays news. The fact Scottish Labour has an Englishman now leading the party speaks volumes for the direction it wants to head in. For sporting matters he freely admits England comes first (fair enough) but this bias is not what Scottish Labour should have. It should be someone purely looking after Scotland's interests. After the BBC doing their best to turn the fact that an Englishman supports England into some kind of big issue, I honestly wondered who the hell even thought about it far less cared. Looks like I've found someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 21 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: The fact Scottish Labour has an Englishman now leading the party speaks volumes for the direction it wants to head in. For sporting matters he freely admits England comes first (fair enough) but this bias is not what Scottish Labour should have. It should be someone purely looking after Scotland's interests. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 25 minutes ago, wee-toon-red said: After the BBC doing their best to turn the fact that an Englishman supports England into some kind of big issue, I honestly wondered who the hell even thought about it far less cared. Looks like I've found someone. Like I said fair enough he supports England. Not a problem. The problem here is he has become leader of SCOTTISH Labour where he will be expected to put aside his love of England and look after Scotland's interests. Will he be willing to stand against Westminster Labour if and when they try pushing through bills that are not wanted in Scotland?? Doubtful...very doubtful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee-toon-red Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 41 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Like I said fair enough he supports England. Not a problem. The problem here is he has become leader of SCOTTISH Labour where he will be expected to put aside his love of England and look after Scotland's interests. Will he be willing to stand against Westminster Labour if and when they try pushing through bills that are not wanted in Scotland?? Doubtful...very doubtful. And how does that make him different to any other leader of Scottish Labour ever? He lives in Scotland and represents a Scottish region at Holyrood so he's as entitled to lead Scottish Labour as anyone else. If Christian Allard ever led the SNP (probably not very likely but no-one had heard of Richard Leonard until recently), would it be a big deal if he said he supported France at football and not Scotland? Can't believe this even merits discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 42 minutes ago, wee-toon-red said: And how does that make him different to any other leader of Scottish Labour ever? He lives in Scotland and represents a Scottish region at Holyrood so he's as entitled to lead Scottish Labour as anyone else. If Christian Allard ever led the SNP (probably not very likely but no-one had heard of Richard Leonard until recently), would it be a big deal if he said he supported France at football and not Scotland? Can't believe this even merits discussion. I have said it twice and will say it for a third time it has FA to do with him saying he supports England. He is English and I'd expect nothing else. The point is Scotland runs a different political and social and financial path to England. Bills are passed in Westminster often detrimental to Scotland so how likely is he to stand up to his fellow countrymen and fight for what is best for Scotland? He may be a tube but Ken Livingstone was absolutely spot on during the last but one's election night coverage. Scottish Labour were almost wiped out in Scotland and he suggested that they needed to fully cut all ties with the Westminster party and concentrate fully on Scottish matters and make themselves more appealing to the Scottish public. Well the election of Leonard as a leader is not going to coax voters away from the SNP to vote Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: I have said it twice and will say it for a third time it has FA to do with him saying he supports England. He is English and I'd expect nothing else. The point is Scotland runs a different political and social and financial path to England. Bills are passed in Westminster often detrimental to Scotland so how likely is he to stand up to his fellow countrymen and fight for what is best for Scotland? You're weird. What do you make of Gisela Stuart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, DonnyTJS said: You're weird. What do you make of Gisela Stuart? No not weird. Put it this way Donny. However, politicians or political analysts or political specialists want to look at the political picture in Scotland it is apparent that the landscape has changed immensely in the last couple of decades. Whereas it was Scottish Labour and before that Tories who held the balance of power ad nauseum whatever happened it is far different now. The SNP have been in power at Holyrood for a decade and are the most popular party in Scotland. Now Labour have to ask themselves how they win back some of those SNP voters that they lost. Leonard becoming leader of Scottish Labour is not going to do that and neither is their close-minded opinion on certain matters. It is a case of if they want to rediscover past glories in this new political landscape they need to change but there is absolutely no sign of that whatsoever. I don't think the SNP will be losing any sleep just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, DonnyTJS said: You're weird. What do you make of Gisela Stuart? What has he said that's weird ? Leonard has already said there would be no splits between Scottish Labour & UK Labour therefore the autonomy mirage is blown once and for all Scotland is an afterthought to Leonard UK Labour comes first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Ally Bongo said: What has he said that's weird ? Leonard has already said there would be no splits between Scottish Labour & UK Labour therefore the autonomy mirage is blown once and for all Scotland is an afterthought to Leonard UK Labour comes first Exactly. Someone that sees my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 4 hours ago, sbcmfc said: Stanley Johnson is actually coming across relatively well so far from what I’ve seen. Its not his performance that concerns me, good or bad, its the fact he is the father of the Foreign Secretary. Just wondering why he is on there? Is he well known in his own right ? Not that that means anything, I haven’t heard of most of them . Anyway, if he manages to dispose of Fiz from Corrie whilst he is in there I will have no complaints. 😬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: What has he said that's weird ? Leonard has already said there would be no splits between Scottish Labour & UK Labour therefore the autonomy mirage is blown once and for all Scotland is an afterthought to Leonard UK Labour comes first He's tying ideology to nationality, that's what's weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 3 hours ago, Toepoke said: I think Bercow's missus was in it a few years back?... Fair point , though I dont feel a speaker of the house holds the same prestige as the Foreign Secretary. Anyway, why I am caring, I am railroading yet another thread and I dont even watch the bloody programme 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: Its not his performance that concerns me, good or bad, its the fact he is the father of the Foreign Secretary. Just wondering why he is on there? Is he well known in his own right ? Not that that means anything, I haven’t heard of most of them . Anyway, if he manages to dispose of Fiz from Corrie whilst he is in there I will have no complaints. 😬 Dont read too much into the word ‘performance’ 👀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drew Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 27 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: The point is Scotland runs a different political and social and financial path to England. Bills are passed in Westminster often detrimental to Scotland so how likely is he to stand up to his fellow countrymen and fight for what is best for Scotland? I don't think his nationality will have anything to do with whether he stands up for "what is best for Scotland". He'll either do what he thinks is best for himself, his party or he might do what he thinks is best for Scotland (what he thinks is best, what we thinks is best and what actually is best could be completely different things). At the moment I don't know which of the 3 he belongs to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, DonnyTJS said: He's tying ideology to nationality, that's what's weird. No I am making the point that he is taking over at Scottish Labour and is evidently clear (for reasons other than who he supports) that he is not going to change that party's fortune because of his political stance on various things. Scottish Labour's best chances of returning to power is eroding away the SNP vote but that will not happen because Leonard's views (politically) will put off SNP voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: She is yesterdays news. The fact Scottish Labour has an Englishman now leading the party speaks volumes for the direction it wants to head in. For sporting matters he freely admits England comes first (fair enough) but this bias is not what Scottish Labour should have. It should be someone purely looking after Scotland's interests. Would you have preferred Sarwar to win? I wonder if he supports Pakistan at cricket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 13 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: Its not his performance that concerns me, good or bad, its the fact he is the father of the Foreign Secretary. Just wondering why he is on there? Is he well known in his own right ? Not that that means anything, I haven’t heard of most of them . Anyway, if he manages to dispose of Fiz from Corrie whilst he is in there I will have no complaints. 😬 Apparently he’s an author and former politician. Although I’d think his son is the reason he was invited.. Jamie Vardys wife as far as I’m aware is only famous for being Jamie Vardys wife. She apparently does charity work etc. but I’d suspect that is off the back of her fame as Vardys wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Just now, Orraloon said: Would you have preferred Sarwar to win? I wonder if he supports Pakistan at cricket? Neither are the men to take Scottish Labour forward for similar reasons - both are so out of touch with Scottish voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, sbcmfc said: Apparently he’s an author and former politician. Although I’d think his son is the reason he was invited.. Jamie Vardys wife as far as I’m aware is only famous for being Jamie Vardys wife. She apparently does charity work etc. but I’d suspect that is off the back of her fame as Vardys wife. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 3 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: She is yesterdays news. The fact Scottish Labour has an Englishman now leading the party speaks volumes for the direction it wants to head in. For sporting matters he freely admits England comes first (fair enough) but this bias is not what Scottish Labour should have. It should be someone purely looking after Scotland's interests. Are you on the wind up? What a pile of sh1te. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Squirrelhumper said: Are you on the wind up? What a pile of sh1te. That post wasn't my best. I explain my point better later on. Purely, on political views/stance Leonard will NOT take Scottish Labour forward and neither would Sarwar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: That post wasn't my best. I explain my point better later on. Purely, on political views/stance Leonard will NOT take Scottish Labour forward and neither would Sarwar. Fair enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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