romanticscot Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, stevenmcn said: Not unless he makes it known he'd be interested. Personally, I think he wants to stay in club football, but I'd happily take him. Is making it known to the press/social media I am interested enough? I want them to actually apply personally and if they applied, we may not know about it unless James Comey was involved and leaked it to the press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Smith too old and too long out of football for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 17 hours ago, DizzyVizion said: We weren’t a million miles away from reaching the playoffs under Strachan. Unlucky not to have won against England, and we were the only team to score in Slovenia. It was the Lithuania home game and Slovakia away that ruined it. Lithuania away we looked a real top international side. It was a great Scotland performance and I’d hate to not see that for a few years because our manager wasn’t capable. We know what’s possible under Strachan and I for one would be willing to gift him one more go at this. I can’t see a better candidate than him at the moment. Luckily you’re not in charge at the SFA then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 3 hours ago, buckielugger said: Steve Clarke won Prem Lge twice with Chelsea plus several cups. So yes he has. And again how do u define Scottish English or whatever? Fact is Allaydyce has two Scottish parents, four Scottish grandparents. So qualified to play for Scotland six times over. Zero English blood in his body (and his siblings could ONLY have played for Scotland). But i wouldnt want him as manager.... You are spouting horse crap. Allardyce was born in England, lived and worked all of his life in England, managed England and has the strongest Scouse accent to boot. And even when he was unemployed and the Scotland job came up for grabs he didn't want it. I think thst speaks volumes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: You are spouting horse crap. Allardyce was born in England, lived and worked all of his life in England, managed England and has the strongest Scouse accent to boot. And even when he was unemployed and the Scotland job came up for grabs he didn't want it. I think thst speaks volumes. You are being remarkably, and pointlessly, tenacious about this. What has either his accent or not throwing his hat into the ring for the Scotland job got to do with it? Plenty of Scots on here without an approved accent, and plenty of Scottish managers who would rather hold out for a high-paying league gig if there were a likelihood of one. I can only assume it's because your original post on Allardyce showed that you had no idea about his family background but for some reason you're unwilling to admit that you weren't aware of this ... On 1/31/2018 at 3:38 AM, tartanmartin said: Still 3. Allardyce is Scottish, don't forget. On 1/31/2018 at 4:25 AM, Caledonian Craig said: What have you been smoking? Allardyce is as Scottish as the Dalai Lama. Now, it should be obvious to even the most fervent Caledonian Buddhist that Allardyce is considerably more Scottish than His Serene Holiness, and yet you persist in denying the fact. Having a Scottish family doesn't necessarily mean that he sees himself as Scottish (although it would be unlikely that he didn't acknowledge it as part of his identity), but in terms of his eligibility that isn't the point. Were Scotland a passport-issuing independent nation, Allardyce would be handed one without a murmur. The thing is, neither you nor anyone else can make a judgement on what nationality someone identifies as. In terms of personal identity, nationality is a state of mind, informed by numerous factors. Humans being human however, we don't live in a homogenous, global utopia so more or less arbitrary rules are imposed, and by almost any of those standards, Allardyce is a Scot, whether he self-identifies as such or not. On a separate issue, I know Buckielugger meant the phrase in a totally harmless sense but 'Scottish blood', or indeed blood of any nationality, is a metaphor that we should consign to the dustbin of history, imho. Edited February 6, 2018 by DonnyTJS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 7 hours ago, wubbs said: I was being sarcastic. I thought so as your FB posts are usually sensible enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Walter Smith? It’s a No from me. Abandoned us at the first sniff of a return to Ibrox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wembley67lisbon Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Keith Jackson desperate for ‘walter’ to get it. embarrassing journalism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wubbs Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 5 hours ago, Ormond said: I thought so as your FB posts are usually sensible enough. Only usually?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisland boy Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Surely the SFA have to appoint a chief exec first then let them get on with appointing the manager. Just let Malky Mackay do the two March friendlies if they can’t get anything sorted before then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 9 hours ago, King Of Paisley said: Got to love the media. On Sunday we have the Sunday Mail crying out for progressiveness by way of a Scottish Football Federation. 24 hours later we have Keith Jackson trumpeting an absolute dinosaur for the job. We honestly deserve all we get as being pilloried as a football laughing stock if we are touting the likes of him and McLeish as serious candidates. Correct - we've got clowns in the support advocating it too! Deserve all the failure we get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Dunno who is driving this bus now but they seem intent on taking it right off a cliff. An official approach apparently now been made to 'Uncle Walter.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 15 minutes ago, bisland boy said: Surely the SFA have to appoint a chief exec first then let them get on with appointing the manager. Just let Malky Mackay do the two March friendlies if they can’t get anything sorted before then Surely he just advises and the blazered committee say yes? That said the SFA are resembling another organisation who appointed a boss before their was a CEO in place and that ended well....similarities much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwhitelaw Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 BBC Gossip page is saying John Hughes has put his name forward. Just no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 I can very easily see this happening...... Is McRae not one of Alex Ferguson inner circle of Scottish friends since the early 1980's, so will have been on friendly terms with guys like Knox, McLean and naturally Smith..... so no doubt its someone he would turn to. Someone at the SFA clearly wants Scot Gemmill, but nobody feels the time is right, so bring in Smith and let Gemmill work along side him for 2/3 years before taking over....... Can not say I am happy about Smith being linked with the job.... walking away aside, the football under Smith a good amount of the time was terrible...... for every France and Norway, there was Belarus (TWICE!!!!) and Ukraine away...even Moldova at Hampden we made for to heavy a work on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, wanderer said: I can very easily see this happening...... Is McRae not one of Alex Ferguson inner circle of Scottish friends since the early 1980's, so will have been on friendly terms with guys like Knox, McLean and naturally Smith..... so no doubt its someone he would turn to. Someone at the SFA clearly wants Scot Gemmill, but nobody feels the time is right, so bring in Smith and let Gemmill work along side him for 2/3 years before taking over....... Can not say I am happy about Smith being linked with the job.... walking away aside, the football under Smith a good amount of the time was terrible...... for every France and Norway, there was Belarus (TWICE!!!!) and Ukraine away...even Moldova at Hampden we made for to heavy a work on. Seems like a desparate hurry to get it done before any new chief executive comes in and sticks their neb into it as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobta83 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 I think Smith and Gemmill would be very smart, Smith has an impeccable record as a manager and gave us some amazing results and performances the last time he was in charge. Wouldn't have an issue with Clarke either tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassrubber Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Craig Levein should be begged to return - better record than Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 36 minutes ago, kwhitelaw said: BBC Gossip page is saying John Hughes has put his name forward. Just no. Oh fuck. In Strachan we trust, anyone but Hughes, can’t believe he thinks he has a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loanhead-tartan Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 no in favour of bringing smith back , backwards step imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in5omniac Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 It's almost a surprise nobody's mentioned George Burley yet the way things are going! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Walter smith? Jesus wept. If ever there was a reason to completely abolish the sfa, it's if they are seriously considering Walter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Just now, ShedTA said: Walter smith? Jesus wept. If ever there was a reason to completely abolish the sfa, it's if they are seriously considering Walter. The most successful manager in Scotland in the last 20 years. It’s hardly an outrage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, DonnyTJS said: You are being remarkably, and pointlessly, tenacious about this. What has either his accent or not throwing his hat into the ring for the Scotland job got to do with it? Plenty of Scots on here without an approved accent, and plenty of Scottish managers who would rather hold out for a high-paying league gig if there were a likelihood of one. I can only assume it's because your original post on Allardyce showed that you had no idea about his family background but for some reason you're unwilling to admit that you weren't aware of this ... Now, it should be obvious to even the most fervent Caledonian Buddhist that Allardyce is considerably more Scottish than His Serene Holiness, and yet you persist in denying the fact. Having a Scottish family doesn't necessarily mean that he sees himself as Scottish (although it would be unlikely that he didn't acknowledge it as part of his identity), but in terms of his eligibility that isn't the point. Were Scotland a passport-issuing independent nation, Allardyce would be handed one without a murmur. The thing is, neither you nor anyone else can make a judgement on what nationality someone identifies as. In terms of personal identity, nationality is a state of mind, informed by numerous factors. Humans being human however, we don't live in a homogenous, global utopia so more or less arbitrary rules are imposed, and by almost any of those standards, Allardyce is a Scot, whether he self-identifies as such or not. On a separate issue, I know Buckielugger meant the phrase in a totally harmless sense but 'Scottish blood', or indeed blood of any nationality, is a metaphor that we should consign to the dustbin of history, imho. I have presented my evidence on how English Allardyce but let me re-iterate. He was born in England and worked and lived his entire life in England, managed England and in 50+ years he has been on this Earth I find no evidence that he has ever spent an extended stay in Scotland in his life even though Scotland is so geographically close to England. Buckielugger clings to him having Scottish parents - whopeedoo. Donald Trump has a Scottish mother and quite probably has spent more time in Scotland than Sam but I certainly don't see him as Scottish. Take it from me - home is where the heart is. If you feel affinity to a certain country ANYWHERE in the world you will go out of your way to spend time there or if you moved away you will move back if you feel strongly enough. I know I have been there and know of many others who are the same. There is no evidence whatsoever that Sam has this affinity or desire. Edited February 6, 2018 by Caledonian Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 47 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: I have presented my evidence on how English Allardyce but let me re-iterate. He was born in England and worked and lived his entire life in England, managed England and in 50+ years he has been on this Earth I find no evidence that he has ever spent an extended stay in Scotland in his life even though Scotland is so geographically close to England. Buckielugger clings to him having Scottish parents - whopeedoo. Donald Trump has a Scottish mother and quite probably has spent more time in Scotland than Sam but I certainly don't see him as Scottish. Take it from me - home is where the heart is. If you feel affinity to a certain country ANYWHERE in the world you will go out of your way to spend time there or if you moved away you will move back if you feel strongly enough. I know I have been there and know of many others who are the same. There is no evidence whatsoever that Sam has this affinity or desire. You've evidently never had the exhilarating experience of reading a Big Ramy 1314 post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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