Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) Just seen the table in the DR. We're 6th at the moment on 9 played and 11 points. The three below are on 8 points, but they have all played a game less and have better goal differences. So even if we beat Slovenia, we need to hope one slips up or the gd's have been built up mainly over the bottom place teams. I for one will be supporting Ireland tonight considering Wales is one of those teams! Edited October 6, 2017 by Bobby Russell's Lovechild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I think we should still be ok if we get to 20 points but it should be a bit clearer by Saturday night... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Rampant Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 19 minutes ago, Bobby Russell's Lovechild said: Just seen the table in the DR. We're 6th at the moment on 9 played and 11 points. The three below are on 8 points, but they have all played a game less and have better goal differences. So even if we beat Slovenia, we need to hope one slips up or the gd's have been built up mainly over the bottom place teams. I for one will be supporting Ireland tonight considering Wales is one of those teams! I think we want to see lots of draws in the Ireland/Wales group. Been loads in that so far anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkintoddy Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) Belgium win or draw should do it provideing we beat Slovenia of course or Wales slip up tonight Edited October 6, 2017 by kirkintoddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted October 6, 2017 Author Share Posted October 6, 2017 Ignore the gd comment I wrote as the bottom place results and goals would have already been taken off for that table Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I can’t see Wales winning their last 2 games without Bale. I also can’t see Bosnia winning their last 2. We just need one of those teams to drop points and we’re fine (assuming we beat Slovenia which will be very tough). Sweden also need to go to the Netherlands and get something I think so surely one of the results we need will happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scot scotland scottish Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 In the, admittedly unlikely, scenario of Slovakia failing to beat Malta (that's the unlikely bit) and us losing in Slovenia, we'd still finish second if my maths is correct. Would we, in that case, be looking at being the 9th placed team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Rampant Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, scot scotland scottish said: In the, admittedly unlikely, scenario of Slovakia failing to beat Malta (that's the unlikely bit) and us losing in Slovenia, we'd still finish second if my maths is correct. Would we, in that case, be looking at being the 9th placed team? I think in that scenario Slovenia would finish second on goal difference/head to head instead of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, scot scotland scottish said: In the, admittedly unlikely, scenario of Slovakia failing to beat Malta (that's the unlikely bit) and us losing in Slovenia, we'd still finish second if my maths is correct. Would we, in that case, be looking at being the 9th placed team? Unless Wales and Ireland both draw their last two games, which is pretty unlikely. There are probably a few other unlikely scenarios that would see us get a playoff with 18 points but since Slovakia are not going to drop points against Malta, I’m not going to bother trying to work them out. We need to win on Sunday, it’s as simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scot scotland scottish Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Lion Rampant said: I think in that scenario Slovenia would finish second on goal difference/head to head instead of us. Aye they would, you're right (maths was never a strong point!) It was always a case of needing to win four out of our last four (three quarters of the way now!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 9 minutes ago, scot scotland scottish said: In the, admittedly unlikely, scenario of Slovakia failing to beat Malta (that's the unlikely bit) and us losing in Slovenia, we'd still finish second if my maths is correct. Would we, in that case, be looking at being the 9th placed team? Sorry, I misread your comment. I thought you meant if we drew with Slovenia. If we lose on Sunday we could still theoretically finish above Slovakia but Slovenia would finish above us on goal difference as we are both on +5 at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scot scotland scottish Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Texas Pete said: Sorry, I misread your comment. I thought you meant if we drew with Slovenia. If we lose on Sunday we could still theoretically finish above Slovakia but Slovenia would finish above us on goal difference as we are both on +5 at the moment. Yeah that's right. I've revised my scenario - In the, admittedly unlikely, scenario of Slovakia failing to beat Malta (that's the unlikely bit) and us drawing in Slovenia, we'd still finish second if my maths is correct. Would we, in that case, be looking at being the 9th placed team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, scot scotland scottish said: Yeah that's right. I've revised my scenario - In the, admittedly unlikely, scenario of Slovakia failing to beat Malta (that's the unlikely bit) and us drawing in Slovenia, we'd still finish second if my maths is correct. Would we, in that case, be looking at being the 9th placed team? If Wales and Ireland or Bosnia and Greece get less than 4 points out of their last 2 games then 18 points would be enough for a playoff I think (if Slovakia don’t beat Malta). We’d be hoping for a lot of draws in both those groups. The chances of Slovakia failing to beat Malta are tiny though. I suppose Luxembourg drawing with France shows us anything is possible but I doubt 18 points would be enough for a playoff anyway. 20 points might not even be enough (although I’m fairly confident it will be). Edited October 6, 2017 by Texas Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted October 6, 2017 Author Share Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) Hopefully Iceland will lose away to Turkey as they will finish on 13 points tonight, because their last game is Kosovo on Monday, so won't count in total. Edited October 6, 2017 by Bobby Russell's Lovechild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Rampant Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, Bobby Russell's Lovechild said: Hopefully Iceland will lose away to Turkey as they will finish on 13 points tonight, because their last game is Kosovo on Monday, so won't count in total. In that situation I think Turkey would move above Iceland into the playoff spot, don't know where it would place them in the 2nd place table though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted October 6, 2017 Author Share Posted October 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Lion Rampant said: In that situation I think Turkey would move above Iceland into the playoff spot, don't know where it would place them in the 2nd place table though. Yeah, just realised that. This is giving me a headache!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, Bobby Russell's Lovechild said: Hopefully Iceland will lose away to Turkey as they will finish on 13 points tonight, because their last game is Kosovo on Monday, so won't count in total. Don’t think that would be any use as Turkey would probably finish second on 14 counting points (and with a better goal difference than us unless we pump Slovenia) as they are away to Finland, who are gash at the moment, in their last match. I suppose a Turkey victory tonight and a draw against Finland isn’t impossible but who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Rampant Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Bobby Russell's Lovechild said: Yeah, just realised that. This is giving me a headache!!! That whole group is really close. Croatia and Iceland on 16 points and Turkey and Ukraine on 14. It's possible for any one of the 4 teams to be in second place over the next 2 games. Iceland play Turkey this round of games and the next Ukraine play Croatia. Ukraine sit 4th but if they beat Kosovo away and Iceland fail to beat Turkey then I think Ukraine can win the group by beating Croatia at home in the last game. Edited October 6, 2017 by Lion Rampant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottincarlisle Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Best tip is to win on Sunday, then sit, wait & hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrisandmoo Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Hope wales and Ireland do as badly as possible. Turkey win is best outcome. Bosnia lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotts56 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) Wales have just scored in Georgia. Bugger. Edited October 6, 2017 by Shotts56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottincarlisle Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 44 minutes ago, Shotts56 said: Wales have just scored in Georgia. Bugger. Finished 1-0 Wales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 @wanderer have you heard anything about what Ukraines plans are if they finish in the top two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JECK Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Wales ROI on Monday night...wow. Def making an effort to watch that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Morrisandmoo said: Hope wales and Ireland do as badly as possible. Turkey win is best outcome. Bosnia lose. As Wales have won we should be hoping Ireland win as well to keep Monday night’s game meaningful for them. A draw or Ireland win on Monday would do nicely. Unless we don’t win on Sunday. If we don’t I wouldn’t give a monkey’s toss who won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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