Parklife Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, dandydunn said: For a start, none of them have managed in Scotland (first page), so instantly they're not wanted nor needed The guy who would've been my first choice for much of the last two years is Marcelino but he's now at Valencia (and doing a wonderful job). Folk like Thomas Schaaf has tremendous experience too and would definitely excite me more than someone like Tommy Wright (no offence to him). Although the SFA would never consider someone like that, solely because they're completely ignorant to everything outwith the UK. There's also guys in work. Do we know that Michael O'Neil wouldn't be interested? No, because we've never tried. The "but who'd be better" argument really pisses me off, as we don't know who'd be interested until we fecking have a vacancy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 If North Britain doesn't beat Slovakia at home tonight then Strachan should walk tomorrow No discussion, no debate - just walk BBC England - "England should qualify for the World Cup later v Slovenia" BBC Scotland - "Will be a nervous night at Hampden - Slovakia will be favourites to win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyD Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said: If North Britain doesn't beat Slovakia at home tonight then Strachan should walk tomorrow No discussion, no debate - just walk His contracts up, so.. would be a bit pointless to resign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasMc1973 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 If there's truth in bannan starting then go... unless he plays a blinder then it's a stroke of genius..... unless we still only draw...ffs i dont know, ask me tomorrow.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Stay - irrespective of next Sunday, results, tactics and team spirit are now cooking under WGS. Keep it going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said: Stay - irrespective of next Sunday, results, tactics and team spirit are now cooking under WGS. Keep it going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordyA88 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Stay. The players are playing for him. They have gave everything for him and the fans. Change sets us back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 On 05/10/2017 at 0:06 AM, dandydunn said: Berti Vogts was more successful than them both. Utter pish.... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland_national_football_team_manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borojock Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Last 5 games have surely shown that he has got it now at International football and were progressing in the right direction with a nice group of young players coming through now. If there was ever a time we need consistency with a manager surely its now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningtings Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Yeh agreed. If he wants to carry on we should keep him, seems to have found some quality and in any case no-one would do better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 8 hours ago, Barney Rubble said: Stay - irrespective of next Sunday, results, tactics and team spirit are now cooking under WGS. Keep it going. Four wins and a draw in competitive games - he has to stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandydunn Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 7 hours ago, Malcolm said: Utter pish.... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland_national_football_team_manager Correct. I apologise, I forgot about the playoff matches that both Smith and Mcleish took us to. Football is played on grass, not paper, while he may not have had the highest percentages, he took us to the verge of the euros, a stage achieved by no one since Craig Brown. You keep up with the percentages though statto, I'll keep watching what's happening on the park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
they've_been_suckered Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 19 minutes ago, dandydunn said: Correct. I apologise, I forgot about the playoff matches that both Smith and Mcleish took us to. Football is played on grass, not paper, while he may not have had the highest percentages, he took us to the verge of the euros, a stage achieved by no one since Craig Brown. You keep up with the percentages though statto, I'll keep watching what's happening on the park. 100% agree. The media did an amazing job on Vogts and everyone swallowed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Rampant Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 At this point we have to keep him, even if we fail to win on Sunday. I think he's finished the group incredibly strongly and the players all seem to be happy with him, which makes a massive difference. As it stands I think we've got a great chance of making Euro 2020 and changing manager now might not be the best idea. I'd be comfortable letting him take on the next campaign. I think it's the Nations Cup first then the actual Euro Qualifiers, is that correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrisandmoo Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Needs a lot of credit for turning this campaign around after a 6-0 drubbing vs Slovakia / England. Being able to take the positives out of those terrible results, motivate the players and take 13pts from 15 in successive ‘must win’ matches is something he, and everybody else, should be proud of. I’m not interested in seeking retribution for his past failings and mistakes. I’m only interested in what’s best for Scotland now. Win or lose on Sunday, I believe Strachan has proved his metal and his ability as a coach. He has clearly learned a lot and I hope he has learned again and makes the changes necessary on Sunday to gets us to the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Rampant Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, Morrisandmoo said: Needs a lot of credit for turning this campaign around after a 6-0 drubbing vs Slovakia / England. Being able to take the positives out of those terrible results, motivate the players and take 13pts from 15 in successive ‘must win’ matches is something he, and everybody else, should be proud of. I’m not interested in seeking retribution for his past failings and mistakes. I’m only interested in what’s best for Scotland now. Win or lose on Sunday, I believe Strachan has proved his metal and his ability as a coach. He has clearly learned a lot and I hope he has learned again and makes the changes necessary on Sunday to gets us to the playoffs. Agree with that, the end of the last campaign was bitterly disappointing and we seemed to be on a downward spiral. The highs of the beginning of that campaign were long forgotten and it seemed a change of manager looked the best thing. This campaign has been the total reverse and we should be reasonably confident going into the next campaign regardless of what happens on Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwhitelaw Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 What a difference a year makes. This time last year after Lithuania at home I wanted rid of him, now I feel he has to stay! He's completely turned it around and he deserves massive credit for doing so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 5 hours ago, dandydunn said: Correct. I apologise, I forgot about the playoff matches that both Smith and Mcleish took us to. Football is played on grass, not paper, while he may not have had the highest percentages, he took us to the verge of the euros, a stage achieved by no one since Craig Brown. You keep up with the percentages though statto, I'll keep watching what's happening on the park. Apology accepted ?. And I take your 'statto' comment as a huge compliment. And to be clear, I don't disagree that Berti was unfairly treated as he had nothing to work with in terms of players. Wattie and Mcleish both were better managers and had us far better organised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandydunn Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 15 minutes ago, Malcolm said: Apology accepted ?. And I take your 'statto' comment as a huge compliment. And to be clear, I don't disagree that Berti was unfairly treated as he had nothing to work with in terms of players. Wattie and Mcleish both were better managers and had us far better organised. Yet they never got us as far as Vogts did, what exactly do you define as "successful" for an international team? To me, at our level, it's qualifying for tournaments, which Vogts took us the closest to in the last 19 years. To summarise, you're talking nonsense. But at least it's "organised" nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, dandydunn said: Yet they never got us as far as Vogts did, what exactly do you define as "successful" for an international team? To me, at our level, it's qualifying for tournaments, which Vogts took us the closest to in the last 19 years. To summarise, you're talking nonsense. But at least it's "organised" nonsense. It's you talking nonsense. By your own admission, the results under smith and Mcleish were better than Berti. Success to me is winning games and qualifying. Results and performances were poorer under Berti - fact. When he started it didn't look like he had a clue what he was doing, playing 4-2-4 formations with players out of position and getting draws against the likes of the faroes. i would have Smith or Mcleish back in straight away if there was a vacancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandydunn Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 18 minutes ago, Malcolm said: It's you talking nonsense. By your own admission, the results under smith and Mcleish were better than Berti. Success to me is winning games and qualifying. Results and performances were poorer under Berti - fact. When he started it didn't look like he had a clue what he was doing, playing 4-2-4 formations with players out of position and getting draws against the likes of the faroes. i would have Smith or Mcleish back in straight away if there was a vacancy. Let me get this straight. Poor results = play offs Better results = no play offs Correct?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, dandydunn said: Let me get this straight. Poor results = play offs Better results = no play offs Correct?? Correct. Berti... scotland pumped 5-0 by France... Mcleish, smith, win 1-0 v France. You can look at it lots of ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 28 minutes ago, dandydunn said: Let me get this straight. Poor results = play offs Better results = no play offs Correct?? It’s a tough one but I think McLeish/Smith had tougher groups because our ranking was so low by the time they took over. France and Italy in the same group was an absolute nightmare. How were we meant to get out of that? We were a baw hair away from a playoff mind you. When Berti took us to a playoff we were in a very easy group in terms of getting second place. Germany, Iceland, Lithuania and the Faroes. Iceland were poor at the time as well compared to now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandydunn Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Malcolm said: Correct. Berti... scotland pumped 5-0 by France... Mcleish, smith, win 1-0 v France. You can look at it lots of ways. Who laid the foundations for those teams? Who brought faddy into the fold? You're clearly the hooray henry that thinks "Scotland is best" and there's no getting away from that utter delusional frame of mind. I feel sorry for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 15 hours ago, dandydunn said: Who laid the foundations for those teams? Who brought faddy into the fold? You're clearly the hooray henry that thinks "Scotland is best" and there's no getting away from that utter delusional frame of mind. I feel sorry for you. Wtf is a 'hooray henry'? Any manager with eyes would have put faddy in to that poor team. You seem to be very quick to make assumptions about me just because I have a different view on this to you. Yes, I do prefer a Scottish manager for our national team - I make no apologies for that. This forum is about opinions. Show some respect when other peoples differs from yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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