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14 minutes ago, Dave78 said:

Ahh Squirrelhumper, you should stop allowing your football prejudices to inform your political opinions.

 

The fact that they continually vote Tory informs my political opinion of them!

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1 hour ago, Squirrelhumper said:

The fact that they continually vote Tory informs my political opinion of them!

And what are we to make of Kilmarnock continually voting Labour? :lol:

 

The difference in voting pattern over the years (South: Tory, North: Labour) has been mainly down to the different demographics of Ayrshire. The 'staunch Orange vote' is broadly similar across both seats.

 

Edit: Anyway, i'd put my house on Ayr turning SNP yellow at the upcoming election. 

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47 minutes ago, Dave78 said:

And what are we to make of Kilmarnock continually voting Labour? :lol:

 

 

I'd check who the MP & MSP's are for Killie if I were you and who have been for the last few elections, both Holyrood and Westmister.

Westminster[edit]

Constituency Member Party
Kilmarnock and Loudoun Alan Brown   SNP
Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock Bill Grant   Conservative

Scottish Parliament[edit]

Constituency MSPs[edit]

Constituency Member Party
Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley Willie Coffey   SNP
Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley Jeane Freeman   SNP

Regional List MSPs[edit]

Constituency Member Party
South Scotland Joan McAlpine   Scottish National
Emma Harper   Scottish National
Paul Wheelhouse   Scottish National
Michelle Ballantyne   Conservative
Brian Whittle   Conservative
Claudia Beamish   Labour
Colin Smyth   Labour

Local government[edit]

Composition[edit]

Party Members
2003 2007 2012 2017
  SNP 8 14 15 14
  Labour 23 14 14 9
  Conservative 1 3 2 6
  The Rubbish Party 1
  Independent 0 1 1 2

Election results[edit]

2016 Parliamentary election[edit]

2016 Scottish Parliament election: Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley
Party Candidate Votes % ±
  SNP Willie Coffey 19,047 55.4 +2.1
  Labour Dave Meechan 7,853 22.8 −11.6
  Conservative Brian Whittle 6,597 19.2 +8.8
  Liberal Democrats Rebecca Plenderleith 888 2.6 +0.7
Majority 11.194 32.5 +13.7
Turnout 34,385 54.9 +4.4

As Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley

Election Member Party
  2011 Willie Coffey Scottish National Party
  2016

2007 Parliamentary election[edit]

2007 Scottish Parliament election: Kilmarnock and Loudoun[3][4]
Notes:

Blue background denotes the winner of the electorate vote.
Pink background denotes a candidate elected from their party list.
Yellow background denotes an electorate win by a list member, or other incumbent.
A Green tickY or Red XN denotes status of any incumbent, win or lose respectively.

Party Candidate Votes % ±% Party votes % ±%
  SNP Willie Coffey 14,297 42.76 +6.52 12,147 36.31 +9.04
  Labour Red XN Margaret Jamieson 12,955 38.75 -1.33 12,146 36.31 -0.93
  Conservative Janette McAlpine 4,127 12.34 +1.89 3,894 11.64 +0.22
  Liberal Democrats Ron Aitken 2,056 6.15 +1.17 1,643 4.91 -1.01
  Scottish Green   820 2.45 -1.89
  Scottish Senior Citizens   721 2.16 -2.08
  Solidarity   430 1.29 +1.29
  BNP   400 1.20 +1.20
  Scottish Christian   258 0.77 +0.77
  Socialist Labour   240 0.72 -0.96
  Publican Party   159 0.47 +0.47
  Scottish Socialist   155 0.46 -5.21
  Christian Peoples   140 0.41 +0.41
  NHSFirst   119 0.36 +0.36
  UKIP   94 0.28 +0.07
  Scottish Unionist   83 0.25 -0.15
Informal votes 1,018     1,004    
Total Valid votes 33,435     33,449    
Turnout 34,453 56.68    
  SNP gain from Labour Majority 1,342 4.0

Elections in the 2010s[edit]

General election 2017: Kilmarnock and Loudoun[3]
Party Candidate Votes % ±
  SNP Alan Brown 19,690 42.3 -13.3
  Labour Co-op Laura Dover 13,421 28.9 -1.5
  Conservative Alison Harper 12,404 26.7 +14.1
  Liberal Democrat Irene Lang 994 2.1 +0.7
Majority 6,269 13.4 -11.9
Turnout 46,509 63.4 -8.2
  SNP hold Swing -5.9  
General election 2015: Kilmarnock and Loudoun[4][5]
Party Candidate Votes % ±
  SNP Alan Brown 30,000 55.7 +29.7
  Labour Co-op Cathy Jamieson 16,362 30.4 −22.1
  Conservative Brian Whittle 6,752 12.5 −1.7
  Liberal Democrat Rodney Ackland 789 1.5

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Might just be me but it appears Kilmarnock (and surrounding area) is one of the safest SNP seats....at every possible level - MP, MSP, Local Council etc.

Ayr on the other hand......

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58 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said:

I'd check who the MP & MSP's are for Killie if I were you and who have been for the last few elections, both Holyrood and Westmister.

Oh, no, i know that Killie turned Yellow (at the same time as Ayr - 2015) when most of Scotland deserted Labour. When you said 'continually' i assumed you meant historically. Again, the different demographics between the towns (and surrounding area) explain that.

For the Holyrood elections, the demographic difference is even wider, due to the more focused electoral area.

 

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Even when Killie voted for Labour, the SNP vote was strong, albeit Labour always  had a bigger %.

Somebody Ayr returned to Tories in 2017, whilst Killie had one of the strongest SNP hold seats in Scotland.

I honestly don't know how within less than 2 years, the Tory vote in Ayr rose over 20% given the shambles of the government at that time.

Can only assume it's the staunch vote that clearly is less of an issue in Killie.

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Anti Scottish sentiment being ramped up today #cherrycase

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41 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said:

Even when Killie voted for Labour, the SNP vote was strong, albeit Labour always  had a bigger %.

Somebody Ayr returned to Tories in 2017, whilst Killie had one of the strongest SNP hold seats in Scotland.

I honestly don't know how within less than 2 years, the Tory vote in Ayr rose over 20% given the shambles of the government at that time.

Can only assume it's the staunch vote that clearly is less of an issue in Killie.

Nah, you're not looking at the demographics. The Ayr westminster seat stretches down to the borders remember, so gets into Tory fermer territory. That, combined with the relatively wealthy town of Ayr itself, and you have a lot of pro-union voters that Davidson was able to harness. 

And BTW the difference you're thinking of wasn't that big in 2017. 20% increase (in Ayr) versus a 14% increase (in Killie).

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The Ayr part of Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock has been pretty solidly Tory since for the last century or so.  The Cumnock and Carrick part however was solidly Labour until recently.

When I lived there, I never got the sense that Kilmarnock and Loudoun was other than solid Labour as well.    

Things might have changed - and hopefully will stay that way - but it's really only in the last decade or so.   

 

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5 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said:

Might just be me but it appears Kilmarnock (and surrounding area) is one of the safest SNP seats....at every possible level - MP, MSP, Local Council etc.

Ayr on the other hand......

Are there a lot of these "working class conservatives" like Bill Grant in Ayrshire ?

I do like Alan Broon the SNP MP for Killie & Loudon. He's very blunt and plain speaking.

He had a great line in a debate when he was first elected that was something like "the only thing Scotland has to apologise to England for is sending fifty years worth of mediocre Labour MP's." :D

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Looks like the game is up. England are turning on Scotland after the Court of Session decision. I am pretty satisfied now, Scotland is going Independent. We are just bored of SM/MSM arguments - its all been done to death, any sane person can see through it all, and those arguing and trying to belittle the cause are just not winning any arguments now. It is like everyone is now so clued up, only the ignorant and delusional cannot see it - boiled frog syndrome ? England and Unionist parties are actually doing all the work for us. Looks like Game over as far as I am concerned.

 

Ya fukkin Dancer !!!!!

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3 minutes ago, HUNTINGMcGREGOR said:

Looks like the game is up. England are turning on Scotland after the Court of Session decision. I am pretty satisfied now, Scotland is going Independent. We are just bored of SM/MSM arguments - its all been done to death, any sane person can see through it all, and those arguing and trying to belittle the cause are just not winning any arguments now. It is like everyone is now so clued up, only the ignorant and delusional cannot see it - boiled frog syndrome ? England and Unionist parties are actually doing all the work for us. Looks like Game over as far as I am concerned.

 

Ya fukkin Dancer !!!!!

Debate question on Sky News today :

‘ should courts get involved in politics’.  

In other words,  it is fine for courts to be involved until a Scottish court makes a decision they dont  like . 

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17 hours ago, ErsatzThistle said:

Are there a lot of these "working class conservatives" like Bill Grant in Ayrshire ?

 

Not that I've met!

17 hours ago, ErsatzThistle said:

 

I do like Alan Broon the SNP MP for Killie & Loudon. He's very blunt and plain speaking.

He had a great line in a debate when he was first elected that was something like "the only thing Scotland has to apologise to England for is sending fifty years worth of mediocre Labour MP's." :D

Alan is a great guy.

Home and away with Killie and regular with Scotland, although think Westminster has curtailed his midweek aways!

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Craig Murray asks how come no one is asking what's the Queen's role in all this? 

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/09/the-dogs-in-the-street-know/

So... what if Boris isn't lying, when he says he didn't mislead the Queen, because she knew fine well he was lying, when he gave the reasons for the prorogation? Strange days continued...

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1 hour ago, exile said:

Craig Murray asks how come no one is asking what's the Queen's role in all this? 

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/09/the-dogs-in-the-street-know/

So... what if Boris isn't lying, when he says he didn't mislead the Queen, because she knew fine well he was lying, when he gave the reasons for the prorogation? Strange days continued...

Not looking good for him the judges have spoken read tonight’s guardian 

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1 hour ago, wheres the pies said:

Not looking good for him the judges have spoken read tonight’s guardian 

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Nice one. However.... I couldn't help notice that on this day when the Scottish judges slammed the PM for misleading the Queen, the BBC led its 10 o'clock news with an extended feature on Syria, and Newsnight led with some Democratic party convention in Texas.  They seem intent to normalise the Johnson regime as if the context is normal. You can almost imagine BoJo in the slammer, still PM, taking calls, Laura K asking him how his #PeoplesPMQ facebook wheeze is going, and Johnson getting to remind the world Corbyn is a chicken. 

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quite put off by the SNP's talk of "dictatorship" to be honest.  it really isn't.  I can see both sides of the argument have merit but the idea after taking 3 years to kick this down the line, they need another 3 days is utter guff.

they've already passed the no deal law.  they're away swanning off on holiday and going on party conferences.  They don't want an election this side of October.  what would they actually be doing in terms of law?

 

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23 minutes ago, PapofGlencoe said:

quite put off by the SNP's talk of "dictatorship" to be honest.  it really isn't.  I can see both sides of the argument have merit but the idea after taking 3 years to kick this down the line, they need another 3 days is utter guff.

they've already passed the no deal law.  they're away swanning off on holiday and going on party conferences.  They don't want an election this side of October.  what would they actually be doing in terms of law?

 

Parliament doesn't just pass law, it also scrutinises the Government and that's the main activity that's been thwarted.  

For example Boris Johnson should've been up in front of the liaison committee this week.  He'd have been answering questions from the chairs of all the select committees. If you ever watch these sessions they are night and day from PMQs and are the occasions that the government get skewered. 

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8 minutes ago, aaid said:

Parliament doesn't just pass law, it also scrutinises the Government and that's the main activity that's been thwarted.  

For example Boris Johnson should've been up in front of the liaison committee this week.  He'd have been answering questions from the chairs of all the select committees. If you ever watch these sessions they are night and day from PMQs and are the occasions that the government get skewered. 

and they've not done that for 3 years?  what does 3 days make any difference?

i still cringe when they talk of dictatorship.  they can bring down the government whenever they fancy.

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So BREXIT with 'the deal' is essentially NOBREXIT and you would just be better staying in than have it.

And No Deal BREXIT is just essentially BREXIT which is what people voted for.

Cant see anyway out of it now... it is going top be 'No Deal' BREXIT. 

I am quite looking forward to seeing what happens. Might be a huge anticlimax...

 

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2 hours ago, PapofGlencoe said:

and they've not done that for 3 years?  what does 3 days make any difference?

i still cringe when they talk of dictatorship.  they can bring down the government whenever they fancy.

They do that every day of every week that parliament is sitting.  You can argue about how effective it is and I'd agree with you, but that's not a reason for closing it down 

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2 hours ago, thplinth said:

I am quite looking forward to seeing what happens. Might be a huge anticlimax...

I'm expecting an anti-climax to be honest. There is an air of hysteria and I do wonder if in the end, if it doesn't end up being the Black Swan event it's sometimes predicted to be, UK Government come out the other side smelling of roses and Brexit Britain gets off to an unexpected good start. Government and Brexiteers all get to pat themselves on the back and we settle down into a long period of wondering how they pulled it off and why Remainers managed to make a fuss about nothing.

Ultimately, if No-Deal Brexit is going to be as bad as it's being portrayed, I don't think they'd be pursuing it so aggressively. Will finish their careers. It's in their interests to promote a worst-case scenario so that any reality has a decent chance of being compared favourably to the predications.

At this stage, I'm happy for it to happen as soon as possible. Been an utter shambles and we should take our medicine and reflect on the aftermath when it comes.

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