aaid Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Its not something that I normally watch because it has a bit too much of a religious flavour for my liking but I caught the tail end of "The Big Question" which is hosted by Nicky Campbell today. It was from Glasgow - I think it was from Hutchey - and it was actually a very balanced show and nowhere near as shouty as Question Time, even though the two politicians on were James Dornan and Adam Tompkins. I think the general theme of the programme was to do with faith and indenity. In the first part they were talking about religion, sectarianism and the old firm, I turned over just as that part finished. They went on to talk about Brexit and English Nationalism. Robin McAlpine was on and made what I thought was a very good point that Scotland had gone through a "national conversation" about what it meant to be Scottish in the late 70s, 80s and 90s to the point where - he claimed - that there was a more defined sense of what that meant and that in England, they are only going through that now and that Brexit is a huge part of that - not so much that Brexit is driving that process but more that the that general sense of unease and lack of identity has manifested itself in Brexit. I have to say that chimes with what I observe has been happening in England over the last few years. Probably worth watching it on iPlayer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: That was actually their Unionist and Establishment allies The Labour Party Well the Tories completed the coup de gras. I do believe devolution was still being sorted on how to go forward amidst Labour being voted out and Thatcher in and it was her government that ended it. EDIT No it was Labour indeed. Tried saying bot enough of the electorate had voted. Edited February 17, 2019 by Caledonian Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 1 hour ago, aaid said: Its not something that I normally watch because it has a bit too much of a religious flavour for my liking but I caught the tail end of "The Big Question" which is hosted by Nicky Campbell today. It was from Glasgow - I think it was from Hutchey - and it was actually a very balanced show and nowhere near as shouty as Question Time, even though the two politicians on were James Dornan and Adam Tompkins. I think the general theme of the programme was to do with faith and indenity. In the first part they were talking about religion, sectarianism and the old firm, I turned over just as that part finished. They went on to talk about Brexit and English Nationalism. Robin McAlpine was on and made what I thought was a very good point that Scotland had gone through a "national conversation" about what it meant to be Scottish in the late 70s, 80s and 90s to the point where - he claimed - that there was a more defined sense of what that meant and that in England, they are only going through that now and that Brexit is a huge part of that - not so much that Brexit is driving that process but more that the that general sense of unease and lack of identity has manifested itself in Brexit. I have to say that chimes with what I observe has been happening in England over the last few years. Probably worth watching it on iPlayer. The boy that set up the Union Jack Scotland supporters club was a hoot Might have been Alan actually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Caledonian Craig said: Well the Tories completed the coup de gras. I do believe devolution was still being sorted on how to go forward amidst Labour being voted out and Thatcher in and it was her government that ended it. EDIT No it was Labour indeed. Tried saying bot enough of the electorate had voted. Technically, you were right first time. The Scotland Act 1978 didn't get repealed until after the Tories came to power. Both as bad as each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: The boy that set up the Union Jack Scotland supporters club was a hoot Might have been Alan actually I want to know more about this ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: I want to know more about this ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Toepoke said: Yuk Fucking burn it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Toepoke said: Just utterly stupid. It is akin to going to a Star Trek Convention with a I Love Star Trek T-sjirt on with a photo of R2-D2 and CP30 on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: Just utterly stupid. It is akin to going to a Star Trek Convention with a I Love Star Trek T-sjirt on with a photo of R2-D2 and CP30 on it. It's from the World Cup in 1974. Different time and place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 37 minutes ago, aaid said: It's from the World Cup in 1974. Different time and place. Still utterly stupid. Why claim to be supporting Scotland but hold up another flag that has no connection to Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 10 hours ago, ErsatzThistle said: I want to know more about this ! It's basically for No voting bigots whose conscience wont let them go as far as supporting England but still want to sing Flower of Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: Still utterly stupid. Why claim to be supporting Scotland but hold up another flag that has no connection to Scotland. I don't think they were claiming to support Scotland, I think they actually were supporting Scotland. The UJ had less negative connotations amongst the general population then than it does now. Regardless of that - it's not one I share - but the "Scots and British" identity is one I can understand and have some respect for. The "British not Scots" that manifests itself as support for England - against Scotland - I don't respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 hours ago, aaid said: It's from the World Cup in 1974. Different time and place. Correct - you need to have lived thru that period to understand. In 74 many at WC in Germany would have been squadies and also getting flags was nowhere as easy / cheap as now. And politics was very very different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Project Fear ...... Sky News BreakingVerified account @SkyNewsBreak Sky Sources say Japanese car manufacturer Honda is preparing to close its Swindon plant with the loss of 3,500 jobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 It might have happened regardless of Brexit, Japan getting a great trade deal with the EU will not have helped. However, without knowing the full facts and figures, I very much doubt it would be cheaper to make cars in Japan and the ship them thousands of miles to Europe. Brexit, the gift that keeps on taking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 30 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Project Fear ...... Sky News BreakingVerified account @SkyNewsBreak Sky Sources say Japanese car manufacturer Honda is preparing to close its Swindon plant with the loss of 3,500 jobs Should have integrated with the Slough office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 6 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: Still utterly stupid. Why claim to be supporting Scotland but hold up another flag that has no connection to Scotland. Folk who get worked up about flags need to get a grip. It's our flag too, you know? We were representing the UK after all, because England didnae qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Orraloon said: It's our flag too, you know? 😢 I used to like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, kumnio said: 😢 I used to like you. Dinna blame me, I didn't vote to keep it as our flag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Maybe before the next big referendum or election the government could get all the big businesses together and ask them how people should vote next time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Folk who get worked up about flags need to get a grip. It's our flag too, you know? We were representing the UK after all, because England didnae qualify. Nah. Scotland compete under the Saltire. It is what is unfurled when Scotland wins medals in Commonwealth Games and other sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 54 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Maybe before the next big referendum or election the government could get all the big businesses together and ask them how people should vote next time? Alternatively explain how trade and tariffs really work and the possible implications of replacing the terms we have now with fuck all and not say shite like we'll make the easiest trade deals in history once we leave the EU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 22 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Alternatively explain how trade and tariffs really work and the possible implications of replacing the terms we have now with fuck all and not say shite like we'll make the easiest trade deals in history once we leave the EU Politicians tell the truth? Too far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: Politicians tell the truth? Too far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: Nah. Scotland compete under the Saltire. It is what is unfurled when Scotland wins medals in Commonwealth Games and other sports. That fact wasn't universally understood back then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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