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Well the deal done could appease Scots who did not want to leave Europe and feared a hard Brexit. It still sees the UK exiting the EU but one that is more soft than was feared. Will that be enough to satisfy waivering Indy voters undecided on Yes and No for any future referendum.

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I see the Brexit deal called A massive capitulation by Britain. A stunning victory for Ireland and the EU (paywall)

Still eerily silent from the red-white-and-blue-Brexiteers;.... had a peek at the Sunday Times, Rod Liddle is frothing about a fantasy European superstate and Dominic Lawson (usually crowing/ranting about Brexit) nowhere to be seen at all. So hard to tell whether they think it's a capitulation or not.

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It is weird.

I think those touting Brexit thought they could leave and get and get whatever deal they desired and it just has not panned out that way. I think they genuinely under-estimated the EU or over-estimated the position of the UK. They felt sure they'd have to pay peanuts to sever all ties and would be able to shore up all borders stopping immigrants getting in and be able to negotiate whatever deals they desired. I don't see that any of that has materialized. There is a lot of back-patting going on for getting a deal but cannot think for one minute it was the sort of deal they really wanted when all these Brexit talks started.

 

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Expected that Damian Green will resign in next few days

I guess the alternative was we all are allowed to watch porn at work and give our passwords to colleagues .....

Where does that leave Tereeza

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19 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

Expected that Damian Green will resign in next few days

I guess the alternative was we all are allowed to watch porn at work and give our passwords to colleagues .....

Where does that leave Tereeza

 

I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. For now anyway. Maybe he was just trying to google his boss?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/white-house-mistakes-theresa-mays-name-for-porn-stars-in-spelling-blunder-a3451141.html

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1 hour ago, Orraloon said:

 

I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. For now anyway. Maybe he was just trying to google his boss?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/white-house-mistakes-theresa-mays-name-for-porn-stars-in-spelling-blunder-a3451141.html

sorry folks,,

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25 minutes ago, aaid said:

Any chance of giving us a clue since its behind a paywall

Sorry was able to read it the first time from a link on their twatter page

EU countries have toughened their stance on Brexit negotiations , making clear that talks on a future EU-UK relationship will not begin until March, and insisting that Britain will stay fully covered by EU rules during a transition period after it leaves the Bloc in 2019

The new version of the guidelines seen by the Financial Times, which alters a text issued by EU council president Donald Tusk after Mrs May held succesful divorce talks in Brussels last week, make clear EU countries oppose a quick start to such trade talks.

Diplomats said member states were irritated by weekend comments by David Davis, the UK's brexit minister, that last week's agreement was "much more a statement of intent than it was a legally enforceable thing"

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6 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said:

Time to reverse the vote 

The vote in Scotland ?

Your British Nationalism is seeping out more profusely recently or maybe it's just another anti SNP stance ?

 

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1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said:

The vote in Scotland ?

Your British Nationalism is seeping out more profusely recently or maybe it's just another anti SNP stance ?

 

British nationalism? :blink:

That’s a first. 

No, not the vote in Scotland. 

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The commons vote did wreck any last vestige of negotiating power from the UK.

So regardless of what happens now we'll get a shitty deal one way or another.

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For his part in voting against his party Phillip Hammond was sacked from his minesterial post by the Tories. This sums up the Tory party and why Scots should not be voting for them. Basically, the MP's elected are expected to be mere puppets for the Westminster Tories. You either tow their line and vote with them on every issue regardless of how it effects that MPs constituents or you get sacked. 

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58 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said:

For his part in voting against his party Phillip Hammond was sacked from his minesterial post by the Tories. This sums up the Tory party and why Scots should not be voting for them. Basically, the MP's elected are expected to be mere puppets for the Westminster Tories. You either tow their line and vote with them on every issue regardless of how it effects that MPs constituents or you get sacked. 

Phillip? :yikes3: 

That would be good.

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4 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said:

Okay Stephen then. The original point still very much stands.

 

Aye,  quotes like this are one of the many reasons why most folk detest politicians.

“It’s disappointing, it gives me no pleasure to vote against the Government but I’ve made it very clear that for me, this was a point of principle and just occasionally in one’s life one has to put principle before party.

“I know that sounds pompous but I’ve never done it before.”

 

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1 hour ago, Caledonian Craig said:

For his part in voting against his party Phillip Hammond was sacked from his minesterial post by the Tories. This sums up the Tory party and why Scots should not be voting for them. Basically, the MP's elected are expected to be mere puppets for the Westminster Tories. You either tow their line and vote with them on every issue regardless of how it effects that MPs constituents or you get sacked. 

Jeezo, thats the most excited I have been since an SNP Christmas card  slipped through my letterbox the other day.

Sigh. Suppose I will just have to get back to annoying Doon the Slope whilst my floors dry 🙁

You are indeed correct on the principle though. 

 

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2 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said:

For his part in voting against his party Phillip Hammond was sacked from his minesterial post by the Tories. This sums up the Tory party and why Scots should not be voting for them. Basically, the MP's elected are expected to be mere puppets for the Westminster Tories. You either tow their line and vote with them on every issue regardless of how it effects that MPs constituents or you get sacked. 

The SNP has that sort of control over their parliament members as well do they not?

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3 minutes ago, phart said:

The SNP has that sort of control over their parliament members as well do they not?

Not to that degree. I can't say I have heard the SNP sacking a MP because they did not vote for what the SNP wanted.

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