Caledonian Craig 79 Report post Posted December 9, 2017 Well the deal done could appease Scots who did not want to leave Europe and feared a hard Brexit. It still sees the UK exiting the EU but one that is more soft than was feared. Will that be enough to satisfy waivering Indy voters undecided on Yes and No for any future referendum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
exile 45 Report post Posted December 10, 2017 I see the Brexit deal called A massive capitulation by Britain. A stunning victory for Ireland and the EU (paywall) Still eerily silent from the red-white-and-blue-Brexiteers;.... had a peek at the Sunday Times, Rod Liddle is frothing about a fantasy European superstate and Dominic Lawson (usually crowing/ranting about Brexit) nowhere to be seen at all. So hard to tell whether they think it's a capitulation or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caledonian Craig 79 Report post Posted December 10, 2017 It is weird. I think those touting Brexit thought they could leave and get and get whatever deal they desired and it just has not panned out that way. I think they genuinely under-estimated the EU or over-estimated the position of the UK. They felt sure they'd have to pay peanuts to sever all ties and would be able to shore up all borders stopping immigrants getting in and be able to negotiate whatever deals they desired. I don't see that any of that has materialized. There is a lot of back-patting going on for getting a deal but cannot think for one minute it was the sort of deal they really wanted when all these Brexit talks started. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ally Bongo 163 Report post Posted December 10, 2017 Expected that Damian Green will resign in next few days I guess the alternative was we all are allowed to watch porn at work and give our passwords to colleagues ..... Where does that leave Tereeza Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orraloon 209 Report post Posted December 10, 2017 19 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Expected that Damian Green will resign in next few days I guess the alternative was we all are allowed to watch porn at work and give our passwords to colleagues ..... Where does that leave Tereeza I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. For now anyway. Maybe he was just trying to google his boss? https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/white-house-mistakes-theresa-mays-name-for-porn-stars-in-spelling-blunder-a3451141.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark frae Crieff 20 Report post Posted December 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Orraloon said: I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. For now anyway. Maybe he was just trying to google his boss? https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/white-house-mistakes-theresa-mays-name-for-porn-stars-in-spelling-blunder-a3451141.html sorry folks,, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caledonian Craig 79 Report post Posted December 11, 2017 21 hours ago, Mark frae Crieff said: sorry folks,, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ally Bongo 163 Report post Posted December 12, 2017 https://www.ft.com/content/674623ac-df1e-11e7-8f9f-de1c2175f5ce Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aaid 82 Report post Posted December 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: https://www.ft.com/content/674623ac-df1e-11e7-8f9f-de1c2175f5ce Any chance of giving us a clue since its behind a paywall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ally Bongo 163 Report post Posted December 12, 2017 25 minutes ago, aaid said: Any chance of giving us a clue since its behind a paywall Sorry was able to read it the first time from a link on their twatter page EU countries have toughened their stance on Brexit negotiations , making clear that talks on a future EU-UK relationship will not begin until March, and insisting that Britain will stay fully covered by EU rules during a transition period after it leaves the Bloc in 2019 The new version of the guidelines seen by the Financial Times, which alters a text issued by EU council president Donald Tusk after Mrs May held succesful divorce talks in Brussels last week, make clear EU countries oppose a quick start to such trade talks. Diplomats said member states were irritated by weekend comments by David Davis, the UK's brexit minister, that last week's agreement was "much more a statement of intent than it was a legally enforceable thing" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ParisInAKilt 54 Report post Posted December 12, 2017 Time to reverse the vote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ally Bongo 163 Report post Posted December 12, 2017 6 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: Time to reverse the vote The vote in Scotland ? Your British Nationalism is seeping out more profusely recently or maybe it's just another anti SNP stance ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ParisInAKilt 54 Report post Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said: The vote in Scotland ? Your British Nationalism is seeping out more profusely recently or maybe it's just another anti SNP stance ? British nationalism? That’s a first. No, not the vote in Scotland. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toepoke 237 Report post Posted December 14, 2017 Ho ho ho... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TDYER63 244 Report post Posted December 14, 2017 16 minutes ago, Toepoke said: Ho ho ho... 😂That paper is an abomination Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phart 114 Report post Posted December 14, 2017 The commons vote did wreck any last vestige of negotiating power from the UK. So regardless of what happens now we'll get a shitty deal one way or another. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ParisInAKilt 54 Report post Posted December 14, 2017 What’s actually happening? Apart from being a complete fuck up from the start the referendum was announced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caledonian Craig 79 Report post Posted December 16, 2017 For his part in voting against his party Phillip Hammond was sacked from his minesterial post by the Tories. This sums up the Tory party and why Scots should not be voting for them. Basically, the MP's elected are expected to be mere puppets for the Westminster Tories. You either tow their line and vote with them on every issue regardless of how it effects that MPs constituents or you get sacked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orraloon 209 Report post Posted December 16, 2017 58 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: For his part in voting against his party Phillip Hammond was sacked from his minesterial post by the Tories. This sums up the Tory party and why Scots should not be voting for them. Basically, the MP's elected are expected to be mere puppets for the Westminster Tories. You either tow their line and vote with them on every issue regardless of how it effects that MPs constituents or you get sacked. Phillip? That would be good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caledonian Craig 79 Report post Posted December 16, 2017 Okay Stephen then. The original point still very much stands. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orraloon 209 Report post Posted December 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Okay Stephen then. The original point still very much stands. Aye, quotes like this are one of the many reasons why most folk detest politicians. “It’s disappointing, it gives me no pleasure to vote against the Government but I’ve made it very clear that for me, this was a point of principle and just occasionally in one’s life one has to put principle before party. “I know that sounds pompous but I’ve never done it before.” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TDYER63 244 Report post Posted December 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Caledonian Craig said: For his part in voting against his party Phillip Hammond was sacked from his minesterial post by the Tories. This sums up the Tory party and why Scots should not be voting for them. Basically, the MP's elected are expected to be mere puppets for the Westminster Tories. You either tow their line and vote with them on every issue regardless of how it effects that MPs constituents or you get sacked. Jeezo, thats the most excited I have been since an SNP Christmas card slipped through my letterbox the other day. Sigh. Suppose I will just have to get back to annoying Doon the Slope whilst my floors dry 🙁 You are indeed correct on the principle though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TDYER63 244 Report post Posted December 16, 2017 30 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Phillip? That would be good. These folk that canny get their facts right 🙄 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phart 114 Report post Posted December 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: For his part in voting against his party Phillip Hammond was sacked from his minesterial post by the Tories. This sums up the Tory party and why Scots should not be voting for them. Basically, the MP's elected are expected to be mere puppets for the Westminster Tories. You either tow their line and vote with them on every issue regardless of how it effects that MPs constituents or you get sacked. The SNP has that sort of control over their parliament members as well do they not? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caledonian Craig 79 Report post Posted December 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, phart said: The SNP has that sort of control over their parliament members as well do they not? Not to that degree. I can't say I have heard the SNP sacking a MP because they did not vote for what the SNP wanted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
