bonzo Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Synopsis of UK position A man in a hot air balloon realized he was lost. He reduced altitude and spotted a man below. He descended a bit more and shouted, "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am." The man below replied, "You are in a hot air balloon hovering approximately 30 feet above the ground. You are between 40 and 41 degrees north latitude and between 59 and 60 degrees west longitude." "You must be an engineer," said the balloonist. "I am," replied the man, "How did you know?" "Well," answered the balloonist, "everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to make of your information, and the fact is I am still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help so far." The man below responded, "You must be a Brexiteer." "I am," replied the balloonist, "but how did you know." "Well," said the man, "you don't know where you are or where you are going. You have risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. The fact is, you are in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but now, somehow, it's my fault." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 For four and a half years the Tories have prospered by stringing us along on mutually incompatible promises. No matter whether you think Brexit is a good idea or not, it was never ever going to fulfil all the promises that were made. They were either going to have to surrender Northern Ireland, shaft the ERG and the fisheries, or shaft everyone, with a no deal Brexit. Right up to this week - to give them and their media chums credit - they've been juggling these, as if they were all possible, but now we're in for the reckoning. Now this week, they've finally caved in and surrendered NI to Brussels/Dublin influence and a customs border with GB, and in a few days it looks as if they'll finally cave in to either the ERG or the EU. How long before they're rumbled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davy-hay Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 30 minutes ago, exile said: For four and a half years the Tories have prospered by stringing us along on mutually incompatible promises. No matter whether you think Brexit is a good idea or not, it was never ever going to fulfil all the promises that were made. They were either going to have to surrender Northern Ireland, shaft the ERG and the fisheries, or shaft everyone, with a no deal Brexit. Right up to this week - to give them and their media chums credit - they've been juggling these, as if they were all possible, but now we're in for the reckoning. Now this week, they've finally caved in and surrendered NI to Brussels/Dublin influence and a customs border with GB, and in a few days it looks as if they'll finally cave in to either the ERG or the EU. How long before they're rumbled? Surely it's the EU that are not playing ball and it's them that are not giving us a deal?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 45 minutes ago, davy-hay said: Surely it's the EU that are not playing ball and it's them that are not giving us a deal?? By being completely consistent in their position for the last 4 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 2 hours ago, davy-hay said: The Australian style point system in regards to immigration is a good idea. Maybe not for other things though We have one already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davy-hay Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 27 minutes ago, aaid said: By being completely consistent in their position for the last 4 years? Exactly. Not budging. Yield over ya basas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davy-hay Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 25 minutes ago, Grim Jim said: We have one already. We do not have the Australian style point system in place for immigration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redz Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 28 minutes ago, aaid said: By being completely consistent in their position for the last 4 years? Let it go It'll be like trying to converse with you on anything football related 🙄😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, davy-hay said: We do not have the Australian style point system in place for immigration. What, nobody totes up your answers on the form? Call it what you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davy-hay Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 24 minutes ago, Grim Jim said: What, nobody totes up your answers on the form? Call it what you like. Its softer than the rolf Harris one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 2 hours ago, davy-hay said: Surely it's the EU that are not playing ball and it's them that are not giving us a deal?? What I said has nothing to do with the EU, and has nothing to do with whether you are for or against Brexit. The point is the Tories have managed to string the nation along with promises for things that can't all come true. When they collapse into a single option that only a minority wanted, then there are going to a lot of bitter, angry, disappointed people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Ireland set to bypass the UK. https://www.dfds.com/en/about/media/news/dfds-opens-direct-ireland-france-ferry-route Are we prepared? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 The signs are already big and out there. We know BJ and the Tories are bare-faced liars even when it comes to our livelihood. The latest one being him saying the UK will still have a good Australian-type deal with the EU. Last night on Question Time the former Australian PM who negotiated their deal insists that deal is not good at all. Tough shit Tories your lies get exposed again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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davy-hay Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 I heard an interview last year about the price of food could go down after brexit. Why is it going up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, phart said: The Brexit diet! Toast and chips! But why not fish from Norway and Iceland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 (edited) Under WTO rules, supermarkets and other importers would have to pay substantial tariffs on many foods they bring in from the EU. Meat and dairy products face particularly high tariffs, but many other areas including fruit and vegetables would be also affected. As an extreme case, the London School of Economics estimates that some speciality cheeses such as halloumi and roquefort could be 55% more expensive. (Tariffs don't just apply to food - cars made in the EU, for instance, would attract a 10% tariff. But food and drinks are the area where the highest tariffs apply.) No deal means we use WTO rules those rules mean we pay more. On cheaper Leaving the EU means the UK has the freedom to agree new trade deals with non-EU countries, which could bring down tariffs and give British shoppers access to cheaper food from countries like the US or Brazil. However, trade deals take a long time to negotiate. The UK can cut tariffs without doing trade deals, but WTO rules say it has to offer the same terms to every country that doesn't have a trade deal. So it could cut tariffs on EU imports to zero, as long as it cut tariffs to zero across the board. That would make many foods cheaper, but it would be devastating for many UK farmers who would struggle to compete with cheap imports. Edited December 11, 2020 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzo Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 1 minute ago, davy-hay said: I heard an interview last year about the quantity of food could go down after brexit. Ftfy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 So sure we could have cheaper food all it will cost is our food industy and industry health standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Cheaper food could mean eating giblets & trotters. And drinking Buckfast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 17 minutes ago, exile said: Cheaper food could mean eating giblets & trotters. And drinking Buckfast. Buckfast isnae cheap but. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davy-hay Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Just remembered it was Jacob rees mogg and was talking about Australian beef, so not food in general. Hmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 54 minutes ago, phart said: I think that belongs in the ‘cooking in isolation’ thread 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint4805 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Fatty Johnson is a dishonest liar. Easiest deal on earth he said. Now he's re-branding No deal as an Australian style deal and trying to sell it as a positive outcome. You couldn't make it up. Make no mistake about it - leaving without a deal is the same as the Tories going back on their biggest manifesto promise in last year's general election. The clueless cretins who believed his lies in 2016 and last year will no doubt assume that an Australian style deal is the same as the Australian points based immigration system. I don't blame the EU for sticking to their position and protecting the integrity of their club. The UK will be isolated. It's businesses I feel sorry for having to deal with all the carnage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich NATA Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Saint4805 said: Now he's re-branding No deal as an Australian style deal Am I correct in thinking that's no different from a Bangladeshi-style; Haitian-style; Liberian-style; Sudanese-style or Yemeni-style deal, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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