thplinth Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Quote Sitrep: we’ve given up any hope of turning on the television and seeing a politician – any politician – telling the truth. Boris Johnson is lying about negotiating a new deal with the EU. Jeremy Corbyn is lying about pretty much everything (in so far as he even knows what he wants the truth to be, let alone what it actually is). Jo Swinson is lying about wanting to meaningfully work with other parties to stop Brexit. Nicola Sturgeon is lying about wanting to stop a no-deal Brexit – she just wants to stop Brexit full stop. (Unfortunately, this also means she’s lying about having any real intention of holding a second independence referendum before 2021. If she did, she wouldn’t have all her MPs and MSPs frantically running around parliaments and courtrooms trying to destroy her own democratic mandate for it, which would leave her needing to secure a fresh one 20 months from now. And assuming she’d have any more idea how to put it into practice than she has with the ones she’s already got.) The government is lying about the fact that it doesn’t have confidence in itself, and the opposition is lying about the fact that it does. Everyone now says they want an election, but somehow it isn’t happening because nobody wants it yet, and nobody can agree when they DO want it, and they’re all lying about why. And absolutely everyone is lying about the fact that whatever they’re trying to do right now has any chance of solving the present shambles. Johnson is just stalling to run the clock down until no-deal, although he swears blind that he isn’t, and the opposition just wants to drag the whole agony out for several more months with not the slightest clue what they’d actually do then. Grimly, the closest thing that British voters currently have to an honest man is Nigel Farage, who is at least clear about what he wants and what he’s prepared to do to get it. Which is ironic, as he’s only anywhere near getting it because he’s spent his entire political career lying through his teeth about it. We don’t mind telling you, folks, it’s been pretty hard to get up in the mornings. ...... Yeah but the headline is Wings says NS is lying. Fake news SNP cunts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lairdyfaeinverclyde Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Amber Rudd chucks it. Who's next?????????/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 I dont know how NS can be accused of lying Anytime she is asked is she wants to stop Brexit she says Yes Anytime she is asked if she wants to stop No Deal she says Yes All this is moot anyway IMO and folk are just getting irate that she hasnt pulled the trigger yet She could be playing a blinder because does anyone really believe Brexit will be stopped ? It can only be delayed Even if the UK leaves with a deal that keeps us in the CU and SM the Brexit party will clean up at the next election They are only delaying the inevitable - Farage as PM if No Brexit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: I dont know how NS can be accused of lying Anytime she is asked is she wants to stop Brexit she says Yes Anytime she is asked if she wants to stop No Deal she says Yes All this is moot anyway IMO and folk are just getting irate that she hasnt pulled the trigger yet She could be playing a blinder because does anyone really believe Brexit will be stopped ? It can only be delayed Even if the UK leaves with a deal that keeps us in the CU and SM the Brexit party will clean up at the next election They are only delaying the inevitable - Farage as PM if No Brexit What level of support do you think there is in the UK for a No Deal Brexit? Last poll I saw which had a number of different options was 21%. You don't clean up in a FPTP general election on 21%. For a party with no geographic base you probably get about 10 MPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, Lairdyfaeinverclyde said: Amber Rudd chucks it. Who's next?????????/ Her resignation letter is basically saying there's no effort being made to get a deal. Coming from a senior cabinet member that's going to be very difficult to dismiss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 given that’s she’s only got a majority of under 400 it’s perhaps likely that she will cross the floor over to the Lib Dem’s or she maybe will chuck it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lairdyfaeinverclyde Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, aaid said: Her resignation letter is basically saying there's no effort being made to get a deal. Coming from a senior cabinet member that's going to be very difficult to dismiss. I've lost track of what's going on and given up on the possible outcomes. Every day something happens. i'm 52 years old and never known anything like this brexit carry on. It's going to continue for a long time yet, more twists and turns, people resigning, threats and allegations. I know it will affect my family, grandchildren but i'm beginning to not give a shit any more about brexit and hope independence will come sooner or later but not naive to think that will be a smooth journey either. Edited September 7, 2019 by Lairdyfaeinverclyde Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 hour ago, aaid said: What level of support do you think there is in the UK for a No Deal Brexit? Last poll I saw which had a number of different options was 21%. You don't clean up in a FPTP general election on 21%. For a party with no geographic base you probably get about 10 MPs. That was around the support the Nazis had before they came to power - Godwin's law i know However the analogy is still the same The shitstorm that the right wing media and politicians will drum up if No Brexit / Soft Brexit will galvanise the English electorate into a frenzy of English Nationalism that will put Siol Nan Gaidheal to shame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: That was around the support the Nazis had before they came to power - Godwin's law i know However the analogy is still the same The shitstorm that the right wing media and politicians will drum up if No Brexit / Soft Brexit will galvanise the English electorate into a frenzy of English Nationalism that will put Siol Nan Gaidheal to shame The problem the Brexit Party has is that undet FPTP they can't win (m)any seats because in England and Wales their support is spread across the whole country, unlike the Liberals, it's not concentrated in any areas, ie, the Brexit Party might get 20% in most constituencies but all that'll get you is a lot of second places. What they can do is to put the shits up the Tories and to a lesser extent Labour and so can influence their policy in a tail wagging the dog fashion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, aaid said: The problem the Brexit Party has is that undet FPTP they can't win (m)any seats because in England and Wales their support is spread across the whole country, unlike the Liberals, it's not concentrated in any areas, ie, the Brexit Party might get 20% in most constituencies but all that'll get you is a lot of second places. What they can do is to put the shits up the Tories and to a lesser extent Labour and so can influence their policy in a tail wagging the dog fashion. https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/ Hitler also did a similar deal with Franz Von Papen (Think i watched too much of the BBC documentary earlier) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Ally Bongo said: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/ Hitler also did a similar deal with Franz Von Papen (Think i watched too much of the BBC documentary earlier) I've seen this, I think it would go very badly wrong for the Tories and would drive more centre ground Tories away and towards other parties, probably the Lib Dems. Other than not spliting the Brexit vote, I don't see how it can work. It's not enough for the Tories to not lose any more seats, they need to win them as well. Mind you, so many things you never thought would happen have done in the last few years, who the funk knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 hour ago, aaid said: I've seen this, I think it would go very badly wrong for the Tories and would drive more centre ground Tories away and towards other parties, probably the Lib Dems. Other than not spliting the Brexit vote, I don't see how it can work. It's not enough for the Tories to not lose any more seats, they need to win them as well. Mind you, so many things you never thought would happen have done in the last few years, who the funk knows. Ideally we don't want to split the brexit vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 It shows what clueless people they get on The Andrew Neil Show. This morning whilst talking about Brexit they then diversified onto the possibility of a General Election and what the results could be. Whilst moving onto Scotland the silly bitch said now that Davidson has gone the SNP could clear up. W T F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 In what universe does Sajid Javid get away with that vanilla interview on the Marr show today ? Jesus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 19 hours ago, bonny78 said: Good on Boris standing up to parliament and risking jail for the cause of Brexit. 😂 that buffoon wouldn't risk a visit to the barbers never mind jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Cmon are people still surprised when the media give certain politicians an easy time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Cmon are people still surprised when the media give certain politicians an easy time? It's not so much an easy time but he should have been pressed to the point of humiliation when he wouldnt square the circle of Johnson refusing to ask for an extension when it was law that he had to "We will abide by the law but we wont change our policy on not asking for an extension" Edited September 8, 2019 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 28 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: It's not so much an easy time but he should have been pressed to the point of humiliation when he wouldnt square the circle of Johnson refusing to ask for an extension when it was law that he had to "We will abide by the law but we wont change our policy on not asking for an extension" You don’t get his job by speaking truth to power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 28 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: It's not so much an easy time but he should have been pressed to the point of humiliation when he wouldnt square the circle of Johnson refusing to ask for an extension when it was law that he had to "We will abide by the law but we wont change our policy on not asking for an extension" I'm not convinced there's any agenda, I just think Marr isn't up to the job of challenging *any* politician in a live interview. That's about the most animated I've seen him in recent years and he never landed a punch. Someone like Andrew Neil, Bernard Ponsonby, Adam Boltoun or Emma Barnett would've taken him to the cleaners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Beem Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 33 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: You don’t get his job by speaking truth to power 😂😂😂 You really are the Queen of the soundbite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 57 minutes ago, Jim Beem said: 😂😂😂 You really are the Queen of the soundbite. Princess* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 quick question from doon here in Bournemouth what’s the chances of joe Swinson losing her seat to the snp . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 29 minutes ago, wheres the pies said: quick question from doon here in Bournemouth what’s the chances of joe Swinson losing her seat to the snp . 45-55 The Fib Dems will spend a fortune and leave no smear unturned to win it They really are a cunt of a party and the electorate of East Dunbartonshire deserve her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: 45-55 The Fib Dems will spend a fortune and leave no smear unturned to win it They really are a cunt of a party and the electorate of East Dunbartonshire deserve her More chance of Johnson losing in Uxbridge, his majority is only 5000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Tactical yoon voting will see Swinson home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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