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2 hours ago, The Golden Vision said:

To be clear my reply was in response to the specifics of the blog, which i still contend is bunkum and a massive logical leap. The main argument of which bears no relation to 

the companies house documents its attempting to draw conclusions from and actually deliberately mis-leads. 

 

I would however argue that "They" dont hate us.

Johnson will say anything for political gain. I dont even need to explain Farages position. While those two and there ilk are indeed detestable and will do more for the independence movement than any of the useless Scottish MPs will. to say THEY hate us, is again a massive leap and disingenuous.

Despite their relative success in there political career, you can argue that most of England hates Johnson and Farage as well. So its unfair to say They hate us as if all England think like that. 

I agree that BJ and Farage will be a boost to independence. I also agree that they are unpopular with many people in England. I only have my own experience to draw from  but I speak with English people on a daily basis, and visit them regularly. Many are as fed up and disillusioned as we are. I don’t think they all hate us, at least that is not the impression I get. 

On a previous post you said you voted for Brexit ( at least I think you did apologies if I got this wrong ).  Can I ask, who did you think was going to lead us there given your obvious dislike of either of these two ? 

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Tbh I think that was quite a big ask of people . I personally would find it very difficult to vote for something if I despised the particular party that was driving it.

I cannot think of 1 pro Brexit figurehead that I trusted , if I cant trust the person driving the issue why would I believe in their cause ? You probably dont trust any of them, but I am not quite that cynical. 

I just didn't buy into the ‘we will be better out of Europe’ but acknowledge that there are parallels with Scottish Independence. For me however independence from the UK is the greater goal.    

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1 hour ago, ParisInAKilt said:

Does it matter who leads it? 

During the Indy referendum people were told to vote YES even if they despised the SNP

Very true.

But you see this is my big issue about things.

There are a heck of a lot of people fretting about who the next PM is going to be? Why?

If we listen to Brexiteers then it is who the next leader of the EU that should be worrying us. But we aren't. Why? I would say this is the glaring piece of proof that Westminster influences the path of the UK far more than the EU. It blows this theory out of the water that within the EU you are not independent. I mean if you were to ask people in the UK who was head of the EU a big proportion would not know. Why? Well maybe because he's not out making headlines making an asshole of himself like the potential next PM.

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2 hours ago, TDYER63 said:

On a previous post you said you voted for Brexit ( at least I think you did apologies if I got this wrong ).  Can I ask, who did you think was going to lead us there given your obvious dislike of either of these two ? 

Nope wasnt me - I didnt Vote for this mess, never would.

Conjecture on my behalf but brexit was a factor on me being made redundant last year.

Edit: to add ...me and 350+ other people being made redundant.

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3 hours ago, The Golden Vision said:

Nope wasnt me - I didnt Vote for this mess, never would.

Conjecture on my behalf but brexit was a factor on me being made redundant last year.

Edit: to add ...me and 350+ other people being made redundant.

On checking the post it was Rohan. Should have done that first 🙄

Sorry to hear about your job, whilst we waste even more time wading through this farce of a leadership contest there will no doubt be more casualties. 

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1 hour ago, Pocketrocketman1888 said:

For sure Gallipoli an unmitigated disaster as was Montys operation market garden

both with good intent tho to open a second front ; shorten the war ( in either case )

fortune favours the brave

in BoJo we trust

Not really he misread troop movements and used shitty ships that were no use against the Germans as they were obsolete so he thought, ack the Ottomans wont be able to handle them.

It wasn't bold it was dumbfuckery.

I don't disagree with the comparison just their level of competence.

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16 minutes ago, thplinth said:

Merkel looks like she may have some problems...

 

It's a bit weird.

As a cadet standing in parades for hours you see some twitching from folk.

You normally see it only on legs though. this is a weird full body i'm freezing cold shiver.

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Reported that she was dehydrated and after 3 glasses of water she was fine

Anyone with a massive hangover at an event knows this scenario ..........

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1 hour ago, phart said:

Not really he misread troop movements and used shitty ships that were no use against the Germans as they were obsolete so he thought, ack the Ottomans wont be able to handle them.

It wasn't bold it was dumbfuckery.

I don't disagree with the comparison just their level of competence.

Did you morph into the battle of jutland there re ships / germans ?

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13 minutes ago, Pocketrocketman1888 said:

Did you morph into the battle of jutland there re ships / germans ?

Nope he wanted to used obsolete ships that were of no use in the battle against the high seas fleet.

Following a meeting of the Admiralty War Group on 3 January a telegram sent was by Churchill to Admiral Sackville Carden, commanding the squadron off the Dardanelles. It said:

Do you consider the forcing of the Dardanelles by ships alone a practicable operation. It is assumed older Battleships fitted with minebumpers would be used preceded by Colliers or other merchant craft as bumpers and sweepers.

Importance of results would justify severe losses

Let me know your views.

On 8 January Carden’s plan for forcing the Dardanelles arrived. In truth it was not so much a plan as a list of the order in which the Dardanelles defences would be attacked—starting with the outer forts and working towards the series of forts at the Narrows.

Nevertheless, at last Churchill had a plan which he placed before the War Council on 13 January. He emphasised that the guns of the Fleet were more modern than those in the Turkish forts and outranged them. What the Fleet would do when it cleared the Narrows was left rather vague. All Churchill had to say on this aspect was that ‘it would proceed up to Constantinople and destroy the ‘Goeben’.

Sounds a great plan, let's hope Brexit Boris can be as thorough. The last part sounds like Brexit atm.

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8 minutes ago, phart said:

Nope he wanted to used obsolete ships that were of no use in the battle against the high seas fleet.

Following a meeting of the Admiralty War Group on 3 January a telegram sent was by Churchill to Admiral Sackville Carden, commanding the squadron off the Dardanelles. It said:

Do you consider the forcing of the Dardanelles by ships alone a practicable operation. It is assumed older Battleships fitted with minebumpers would be used preceded by Colliers or other merchant craft as bumpers and sweepers.

Importance of results would justify severe losses

Let me know your views.

On 8 January Carden’s plan for forcing the Dardanelles arrived. In truth it was not so much a plan as a list of the order in which the Dardanelles defences would be attacked—starting with the outer forts and working towards the series of forts at the Narrows.

Nevertheless, at last Churchill had a plan which he placed before the War Council on 13 January. He emphasised that the guns of the Fleet were more modern than those in the Turkish forts and outranged them. What the Fleet would do when it cleared the Narrows was left rather vague. All Churchill had to say on this aspect was that ‘it would proceed up to Constantinople and destroy the ‘Goeben’.

Sounds a great plan, let's hope Brexit Boris can be as thorough. The last part sounds like Brexit atm.

Yeah i get all that, but high seas fleet / germans in the black sea ?

i knew about the action up the straights using older ships & french involvement

sea mines etc

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On 6/18/2019 at 5:26 PM, Pocketrocketman1888 said:

BoJo will be the Churchill of our time

 

On 6/18/2019 at 6:05 PM, Pocketrocketman1888 said:

in BoJo we trust

When "BoJo" was editor of the spectator he published this poem... 

The quotes come from a "satirical" poem by James Michie, titled "Friendly Fire".
It was published in The Spectator magazine in 2004 – and Johnson was editor of the publication at the time.
The full poem reads:
 
The Scotch – what a verminous race!
Canny, pushy, chippy, they’re all over the place, Battening off us with false bonhomie, Polluting our stock, undermining our economy.
Down with sandy hair and knobbly knees!
Suppress the tartan dwarves and the Wee Frees!
Ban the kilt, the skean-dhu and the sporran
As provocatively, offensively foreign!
It’s time Hadrian’s Wall was refortified
To pen them in a ghetto on the other side.
I would go further. The nation
Deserves not merely isolation
But comprehensive extermination.
We must not flinch from a solution.
(I await legal prosecution.)
 
 
So I suppose he is the Churchill of our time. A fat racist cunt.
 
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Whoever the tories pick it will be a smarmy wanker for sure. Gove would be the 'best' pick for the reason I will get to.

We are going to get Hard Brexit. Then we are going to get the aforementioned smarmy wanker clinging to power for a year or two post BREXIT and then we are going to get a Corbyn socialist government. From an economic perspective I can see some potentially very stormy waters ahead for the UK economy.

After all of that if Scots are not ready to vote for Independence they never will*. 

It is the Perfect Storm.

Hard BREXIT... Gove (but probably Johnson)... Corbyn. 

Nothing against Corbyn but 'they' will never allow him to be a success.

And it is not that this is unlikely to happen, it looks unavoidable in fact.

(*personally I wonder if they ever will)

 

 

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10 minutes ago, thplinth said:

Whoever the tories pick it will be a smarmy wanker for sure. Gove would be the 'best' pick for the reason I will get to.

We are going to get Hard Brexit. Then we are going to get the aforementioned smarmy wanker clinging to power for a year or two post BREXIT and then we are going to get a Corbyn socialist government. From an economic perspective I can see some potentially very stormy waters ahead for the UK economy.

After all of that if Scots are not ready to vote for Independence they never will*. 

It is the Perfect Storm.

Hard BREXIT... Gove (but probably Johnson)... Corbyn. 

Nothing against Corbyn but 'they' will never allow him to be a success.

And it is not that this is unlikely to happen, it looks unavoidable in fact.

(*personally I wonder if they ever will)

 

 

I still find it hard to see how Corbyn can get to be PM. What has changed your mind?

 

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42 minutes ago, Orraloon said:

I still find it hard to see how Corbyn can get to be PM. What has changed your mind?

The state of the tories post Cameron.

May was astonishingly dreadful but what we are about to get is from a different league.  Johnson does not read the newspapers, he is dangerous. So is Gove but for different reasons, 

I am thinking by the time the next GE comes around people are going to be royally fucked off with the tories and so who else are they going to turn to.

Assuming Corbyn isn't nobbled first of course which is a really big assumption - see the Jeremy Corbyn fecked thread for why. They have already half hobbled him with false anti semitism smear campaign.

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Gove: “I'll secure a Union Guarantee in international law so that our United Kingdom cannot be undermined”.

Nicky Morgan confirming on R4 “it’ll certainly make Scottish indy more difficult”.

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3 minutes ago, bonny78 said:

Let's leave the EU and stay part of Britain.   Perfect. 

Alternatively you move to England 

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