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36 minutes ago, antidote said:

Which soviet style state, the eussr or the ukssr?

I know which one controls countries less. 

There is certainly similarities between the EU and the UK. 

Economic coercion or bullying for lack of a better term to keep both intact. 

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17 hours ago, Rich NATA said:

Am I correct in saying, Scotland is the only country to ever vote against its own independence?

Or you could say it continued the tradition of voters not voting to make themselves poorer. Canny Scots. (Brexit was a change to this tradition.)

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14 minutes ago, Alan said:

Or you could say it continued the tradition of voters not voting to make themselves poorer. Canny Scots. (Brexit was a change to this tradition.)

"Believing they would make themselves poorer"  

300 years of imposed cringe 

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23 minutes ago, Eisegerwind said:

Surely it's not beyond our wit to understand short term pain for long term gain.

Many in Scotland have had long term pain being in this union. 

How long has this austerity measure been going on for now. 

Then there’s all the austerity we’ve endured over many decades before. 

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44 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

That not the same with leaving the EU? Or are the economic predictions with Brexit correct and Indy wrong ....

It's like discussing something with a wean 

Has the English population been told for the last 40 odd years that they need to be in the EU or they would be a basket case ?

Brexit was won on the argument that the UK is a Net contributor to the EU which statistically can be proven and there is no deliberately engineered GERS system of things to get in the way

Scotland is a Net contributor to the UK however the opposite is wildly portrayed constantly 

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8 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

It's like discussing something with a wean 

Has the English population been told for the last 40 odd years that they need to be in the EU or they would be a basket case ?

Brexit was won on the argument that the UK is a Net contributor to the EU which statistically can be proven and there is no deliberately engineered GERS system of things to get in the way

Scotland is a Net contributor to the UK however the opposite is wildly portrayed constantly 

Isn’t the popular economic opinion that Indy and Brexit are economically bad decisions?  

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1 hour ago, ParisInAKilt said:

Isn’t the popular economic opinion that Indy and Brexit are economically bad decisions?  

For who?

brexiter; brexit, taking back control will be good for the UK (England) economy. 

Brexiter; scetix, taking back control will be bad for Scotland’s economy.

Really meaning England economy. 

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8 minutes ago, antidote said:

For who?

brexiter; brexit, taking back control will be good for the UK (England) economy. 

Brexiter; scetix, taking back control will be bad for Scotland’s economy.

Really meaning England economy. 

For Scotland in terms of Indy and the UK in terms of Brexit. 

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21 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

That’s my point, folk seem to what to cherry pick when they believe economists and the media 

My point was more to do with Scotland’s situation in regards to independence, I’m sure you guessed that. 

I take your point, but it is interesting that during the independence referendum campaign I couldn’t recall any loss of investment or firms announcing closures. 

Yes some threats, but even a blind man could see through them. 

With the brexit campaign and result, remember there’s still a more likely chance that there will be an agreement on some sort of single market, there’s been tens billions of investments lost and countless manufacturing announcements already. 

Even the P&J, a staunch tory rag, is saying thousands of farmers face ruin because of brexit. 

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2 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said:

Isn’t the popular economic opinion that Indy and Brexit are economically bad decisions?  

The bottom line is that Brexit will most definitely not be better for the UK in our lifetime nor is it the cause of the UK's problems

The UK already has a great deal of sovereignty outwith the EU etc

The UK does not give the EU all it's money and get a portion of it back to balance the books etc

Scottish Political Independence from the UK is a whole different ball game from the UK leaving a trading union of 28 nations on so many levels - but i'm sure you know this

 

 

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18 hours ago, antidote said:

My point was more to do with Scotland’s situation in regards to independence, I’m sure you guessed that. 

I take your point, but it is interesting that during the independence referendum campaign I couldn’t recall any loss of investment or firms announcing closures. 

Yes some threats, but even a blind man could see through them. 

With the brexit campaign and result, remember there’s still a more likely chance that there will be an agreement on some sort of single market, there’s been tens billions of investments lost and countless manufacturing announcements already. 

Even the P&J, a staunch tory rag, is saying thousands of farmers face ruin because of brexit. 

I remember a lot of businesses, banks and mark carney, Obama and folk from the EU warning against independence. 

Think it was called project fear and probably put a lot of people off voting YES.

Look I think Brexit financially will be very hard, hating the EU and what I represents doesn’t mean you think it will be financially beneficial to people in the UK

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18 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

The bottom line is that Brexit will most definitely not be better for the UK in our lifetime nor is it the cause of the UK's problems

The UK already has a great deal of sovereignty outwith the EU etc

The UK does not give the EU all it's money and get a portion of it back to balance the books etc

Scottish Political Independence from the UK is a whole different ball game from the UK leaving a trading union of 28 nations on so many levels - but i'm sure you know this

 

 

You’re being disingenuous or naive if you think the EU is just a trading union. 

I’m not saying it’s exactly the same but there is overlaps in what’s going on between Scotland / UK and UK / EU

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52 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

You’re being disingenuous or naive if you think the EU is just a trading union. 

I’m not saying it’s exactly the same but there is overlaps in what’s going on between Scotland / UK and UK / EU

In what way exactly?

The UK went to war based on lies in the Middle East without being stopped by the EU. Scots troops were used in those attacks because they were part of the British Army.

The UK chose not to join the EURO and at no time were forced into it. Hypothetically, Scotland could not and would not be allowed to ditch the pound in this union.

The UK did not have to even go to the EU for permission to hold the Brexit referendum whereas Scotland cannot do the same with regards to independence.

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1 hour ago, ParisInAKilt said:

I remember a lot of businesses, banks and mark carney, Obama and folk from the EU warning against independence. 

Think it was called project fear and probably put a lot of people off voting YES.

Look I think Brexit financially will be very hard, hating the EU and what I represents doesn’t mean you think it will be financially beneficial to people in the UK

Back to what I said earlier; for who?

if you notice many of the scaremongers didn’t exactly say it would ruin Scotland’s economy, they generalised and in my opinion they were referring to the rUK economy. 

I seem to remember them saying it would be bad for the economy which was spun by the papers .

Yes I agree brexit will be a bad hit. Exporting businesses want seamless trading with their biggest market and with the uk leaving that free market that’s making most of those companies upping sticks. 

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11 minutes ago, antidote said:

Back to what I said earlier; for who?

if you notice many of the scaremongers didn’t exactly say it would ruin Scotland’s economy, they generalised and in my opinion they were referring to the rUK economy. 

I seem to remember them saying it would be bad for the economy which was spun by the papers .

Yes I agree brexit will be a bad hit. Exporting businesses want seamless trading with their biggest market and with the uk leaving that free market that’s making most of those companies upping sticks. 

For Scotland as I remember it. Project fear involved not just the media but the entire British and worldwide establishment. 

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36 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said:

In what way exactly?

The UK went to war based on lies in the Middle East without being stopped by the EU. Scots troops were used in those attacks because they were part of the British Army.

The UK chose not to join the EURO and at no time were forced into it. Hypothetically, Scotland could not and would not be allowed to ditch the pound in this union.

The UK did not have to even go to the EU for permission to hold the Brexit referendum whereas Scotland cannot do the same with regards to independence.

Correct me if I’m wrong but other EU countries and NATO were involved in Iraq. 

A trading union only wouldn’t necessarily need a shared currency, a parliament, unelected commissioners and the ability to make laws. 

As you say, Scotland is in a different position with the UK but there is overlaps with the EU in terms of being a political union as well. 

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4 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

Correct me if I’m wrong but other EU countries and NATO were involved in Iraq. 

A trading union only wouldn’t necessarily need a shared currency, a parliament, unelected commissioners and the ability to make laws. 

As you say, Scotland is in a different position with the UK but there is overlaps with the EU in terms of being a political union as well. 

Yes you are wrong. It was only UK and US forces involved in this travesty.

I could not even see it getting to anywhere near Scotland being able to choose it's own currency. Westminster would point blank forbid it.

Both are political partnerships if you will but where Scotland in the UK are shackled by iron chains the UK in the EU are not even tied by ropes in comparison. The UK have had freedom to choose their currency, their right to wage war on a weaker nation and being able to choose when they hold referendums on their future in the EU.

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40 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

For Scotland as I remember it. Project fear involved not just the media but the entire British and worldwide establishment. 

It was a well known fact that Cameron was practically begging world leaders and his banking friends to get involved. 

Of course France and Spain had their own breakaway problems and I wouldn’t say the world’s establishment was against Scottish independence.

UK Banks had a lot to loose if Scotland went independence at that time the pound would have plummeted and England’s economy, on its own, wouldn’t have looked that rosey. They had a vested interest to keep the status quo to protect their English interests. 

I understand where you’re coming from, but we’re dealing with two different analogies here. Scotland being overwhelmingly ruled by Westminster is not the same as the uk being in the Eu. 

Have a nice day I’m off to the pub soon 😉

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