bonny78 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 31 minutes ago, Rich NATA said: What have the EU implemented, which so offends you? They are unelected and undemocratic. Their single currency, although not used in the UK, is a complete disaster for the whole euro zone (ask Greece) Various people have said our laws are not made here and we're governed from. Brussels - I do think this point may not apply as much as those people make out but the worst of it is still bad news. Ireland were treated to a stich up backdoor job over the Lisbon treaty. To name a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 20 minutes ago, weekevie04 said: One thing I think which may well happen tomorrow is Change UK will have a terrible result on Sunday. I'm thinking at the very most across the UK they'll get about 5%, and in Scotland, well UKIP may well pip them, it'll be that bad a night for them! Odious party. When I 1st heard of them I thought they were a brexit party 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 51 minutes ago, exile said: does anyone know, has Change UK come out as explicitly unionist? i saw somewhere that they urged unionists to vote for the lib dems but that is not the same thing. but that doesn't rule them out being happy to see snp secure additional pro-eu seats. i am just curious if there would ever be a uk party so pro eu it would rather have snp shut out one of the brexit parties. not that change uk of itself is important. More or less Their candidate in Scotland stood down so as not to split the Lib Dem vote but not anywhere else in the UK Unionists are something else eh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, bonny78 said: They are unelected and undemocratic. Their single currency, although not used in the UK, is a complete disaster for the whole euro zone (ask Greece) Various people have said our laws are not made here and we're governed from. Brussels - I do think this point may not apply as much as those people make out but the worst of it is still bad news. Ireland were treated to a stich up backdoor job over the Lisbon treaty. To name a few. The EU is not sunshine and lollipops but i could give you more plausible reasons for not being in it than that shite above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 17 minutes ago, bonny78 said: They are unelected and undemocratic. Hmmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich NATA Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 54 minutes ago, bonny78 said: They are unelected and undemocratic. Their single currency, although not used in the UK, is a complete disaster for the whole euro zone (ask Greece) Various people have said our laws are not made here and we're governed from. Brussels - I do think this point may not apply as much as those people make out but the worst of it is still bad news. Ireland were treated to a stich up backdoor job over the Lisbon treaty. To name a few. 1 erm... are you f*cking serious? 2 doesn't affect you. 3 you acknowledge such people exaggerate. 4 doesn't affect you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 2 hours ago, bonny78 said: Ireland were treated to a stich up backdoor job over the Lisbon treaty. And yet of all the EU countries, opinion polls report Ireland is.... BTW, those numbers are the highest pro-EU figures across the EU 28. Why? Because everyone in Ireland knows that it's the EU that has allowed Ireland to flourish. A relatively poor former vassal of England, dependent on 'betters' in Westminster, has grown up to be a normal independent nation with a per capita GDP that's almost double that of the UK's. You carry on with yer Better Together pish though. Folk in Dublin look and laugh at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: The EU is not sunshine and lollipops but i could give you more plausible reasons for not being in it than that shite above Go on then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Dave78 said: And yet of all the EU countries, opinion polls report Ireland is.... BTW, those numbers are the highest pro-EU figures across the EU 28. Why? Because everyone in Ireland knows that it's the EU that has allowed Ireland to flourish. A relatively poor former vassal of England, dependent on 'betters' in Westminster, has grown up to be a normal independent nation with a per capita GDP that's almost double that of the UK's. You carry on with yer Better Together pish though. Folk in Dublin look and laugh at that. Didn’t Ireland have to vote twice to join though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ParisInAKilt Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Rich NATA said: 1 erm... are you f*cking serious? 2 doesn't affect you. 3 you acknowledge such people exaggerate. 4 doesn't affect you. The euro zone might not affect people in the UK directly but it’s a talking point at the very least when discussing the failures of the EU as a political union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 7 hours ago, bonny78 said: Thanks. Some people want a total independence and not to be in the EU. So if it were a case of a indy scotland outside the EU or scotland within the union and also the EU, what do you pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Pity us who are trapped in England. Just about to vote but desperately poor choice. At least Scotland has the opportunity to indicate they want out of the mess that is the UK, vital that people take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 8 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: The EU is not sunshine and lollipops but i could give you more plausible reasons for not being in it than that shite above The currency disaster is the number one reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 7 hours ago, Rich NATA said: 1 erm... are you f*cking serious? 2 doesn't affect you. 3 you acknowledge such people exaggerate. 4 doesn't affect you. LOL. It affects everyone!!! You're probably one of these people who claims the poverty in Africa is nothing to do with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 1 hour ago, hampden_loon2878 said: So if it were a case of a indy scotland outside the EU or scotland within the union and also the EU, what do you pick? Scotland outside the EU. The EU is the biggest enemy we have in this sector of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) "Ruth Davidson is “baffled” by Theresa May’s offer of a second EU referendum, Times sources say, amid a Scottish Tory revolt against the prime minister. A source close to the Scottish Conservative leader said last night: “Fair to say we are baffled by this as a closing message before an election.” A group of Tory MPs met David Mundell, the Scottish secretary, to vent their anger at the plan, which they are concerned paves the way for the SNP to argue more persuasively for a second vote on Scottish independence. “We have been totally consistent in making the case against another EU referendum and then she goes and throws us under a bus with that speech,” said one Scottish Tory MP." Edited May 23, 2019 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 5 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: Didn’t Ireland have to vote twice to join though? Ireland joined - at the same time as the UK in 1973 - following a referendum that had 80% to join. I suspect that you're getting mixed up with the referendum to ratify the Lisbon Treaty in 2008. That was rejected by a similar margin to the UK Brexit referendum, in this case 53/47. The Irish government sought and received guarantees from the EU on the areas of contention, specifically tax harmonisation, defence and aspects of "family life". The subsequent referendum the following year had a 2-1 majority in favour of ratifying it. Now as has been pointed out, Ireland is one of the most pro-EU member states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 58 minutes ago, exile said: "Ruth Davidson is “baffled” by Theresa May’s offer of a second EU referendum, Times sources say, amid a Scottish Tory revolt against the prime minister. A source close to the Scottish Conservative leader said last night: “Fair to say we are baffled by this as a closing message before an election.” A group of Tory MPs met David Mundell, the Scottish secretary, to vent their anger at the plan, which they are concerned paves the way for the SNP to argue more persuasively for a second vote on Scottish independence. “We have been totally consistent in making the case against another EU referendum and then she goes and throws us under a bus with that speech,” said one Scottish Tory MP." Has Fluffy resigned yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Has Fluffy resigned yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 6 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: Go on then What am i ? Your fucking teacher ? You never elaborate when you post - why should i ? However - Intentions in/with Ukraine - there's one just for you 1 hour ago, bonny78 said: The currency disaster is the number one reason. Where is this currency disaster you are speaking of ? The only recent currency disaster i can recall is when the arse fell out of Sterling against the Dollar due to Brexit or when i went to Benidorm in March and noticed the shitey amount of Euros i was getting for my money - again due to Brexit And just wait to see what happens to Sterling against the Euro when the phoney war is over and we do leave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
min Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Just voted - the only voter in the entire hall. Brexit voters will be far more motivated to vote than most others. Scotland prediction: SNP - 33% Brexit - 19% Labour - 16% LD - 11% Tory - 10% Green - 9% Other - 2% Think that would equate to 3 x SNP seats, 1 x Brexit, 1 x Labour and 1 x LD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: What am i ? Your fucking teacher ? You never elaborate when you post - why should i ? However - Intentions in/with Ukraine - there's one just for you Where is this currency disaster you are speaking of ? The only recent currency disaster i can recall is when the arse fell out of Sterling against the Dollar due to Brexit or when i went to Benidorm in March and noticed the shitey amount of Euros i was getting for my money - again due to Brexit And just wait to see what happens to Sterling against the Euro when the phoney war is over and we do leave You must have been on the shitter in 2008 then. Ya missed a whole crisis in the euro zone that Germany are still paying for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: What am i ? Your fucking teacher ? You never elaborate when you post - why should i ? However - Intentions in/with Ukraine - there's one just for you Where is this currency disaster you are speaking of ? The only recent currency disaster i can recall is when the arse fell out of Sterling against the Dollar due to Brexit or when i went to Benidorm in March and noticed the shitey amount of Euros i was getting for my money - again due to Brexit And just wait to see what happens to Sterling against the Euro when the phoney war is over and we do leave Pound is already crashing as we speak mr bongo I enjoy your posts and are one of the better posters on here but please don’t encourage that clown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Saw an article where the headline was 'Why Farage Wins the Country and Corbyn Wins Only a Party'. Makes the point that the Corbyn revolution fizzled out and now with a 25% approval ratings his prospects if somehow he became PM are not good. He has won a party but failed to win the country. Then you have the pack of tory rogues that could be a future PM if May (a corker herself) ever fucking quits. Or Nigel Farage... this is some fucking mess England has got Britain in. It is beyond belief really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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